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Study of Radicalisation - 26 Irish Jihadis Fought in Syria

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    #62
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭SeanW


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Note the use of the word Jihadis, why not say freedom fighters? There is no evidence that these individuals were indeed fighting a Jihad, merely that they were oppossing a tyrant.
    Yet another xenophobic and scaremongering thread by the usual suspect!
    Ok, here's a question for you Nodin etc.

    If it were the case that these people are fighting to install a theocracy in Syria, would that be a matter of concern to you?


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    #63
    mattjack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Salon is a far left tabloid. You wouldnt accept right wing sites as a legitimate source, dont expect me to do likewise. The Washington Times only printed the article yesterday. Until they retract it, or you present credible evidence to the table - I proport [/B]it to be legit.

    Whats your opinion on the topic at hand btw?

    Wayne , see this word I've highlighted , what's it mean ?
    I,ve never heard of it before , is it like "the Simpsons " words "embiggens " and "cromulent".


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    #64
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    SeanW wrote: »
    Ok, here's a question for you Nodin etc.

    If it were the case that these people are fighting to install a theocracy in Syria, would that be a matter of concern to you?


    It would be a bad thing to do, yes. If we were invaded by aliens who wanted to anally probe us, that would be bad too. Isn't speculation fun?


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    #65
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Nodin wrote: »
    It would be a bad thing to do, yes. If we were invaded by aliens who wanted to anally probe us, that would be bad too. Isn't speculation fun?

    Should we allow these terrorists back into our nation? If a group of Irish emigrants to America came home to take part in the troubles, America would have refused them readmission. We should do likewise. Most of them aint even Syrian ffs!


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    #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Should we allow these terrorists back into our nation?!

    Who said they were "terrorists"?
    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    If a group of Irish emigrants to America came home to take part in the troubles, America would have refused them readmission

    Really?
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/10/nyregion/us-suspends-deportation-in-ira-cases.html

    Going on that, I wouldn't put money on it.

    I keep answering you, but you seem to have trouble answering me....

    Why would the two sites retract it?

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Why don't you criticise those who joined the Brit and US armies?

    Why do you mantain the Irish are jihadis when theres no proof this is the case?


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    #67
    Capt'n Midnight
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    How many of them were really Israelis with fake Irish passports ?


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    #68
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    oh great....another thread in after hours gets turned into an excuse to spill more anti Israel, anti America bile. pathetic....


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    #69
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    Presumably we aren't letting these lads back into the country if they try to return?


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    #70
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    It's very worrying that a lot of them aren't even Syrian.


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    #71
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    Presumably we aren't letting these lads back into the country if they try to return?

    dude, there are quite a few posters on this forum who will probably be at the airport to form a welcome party, complete with Palestinian, Syrian flags etc


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    #72
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    dude, there are quite a few posters on this forum who will probably be at the airport to form a welcome party, complete with Palestinian, Syrian flags etc

    You're probably right. I wonder if any of our 'Swampies' have made the trip yet.

    Won't be long before they'll be banning drinking and cutting thiefs hands off here too.


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    #73
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    You're probably right. I wonder if any of our 'Swampies' have made the trip yet.

    Won't be long before they'll be banning drinking and cutting thiefs hands off here too.


    Whats a "swampie"?


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    #74
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    dude, there are quite a few posters on this forum who will probably be at the airport to form a welcome party, complete with Palestinian, Syrian flags etc

    They will be hosted as heroes on The Late Late show. Again.


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    #75
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    They will be hosted as heroes on The Late Late show. Again.

    There you are wayne. Here's a few questions you may have missed....

    Why would the two sites the story?

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Why don't you criticise those who joined the Brit and US armies?

    Why do you mantain the Irish are jihadis when theres no proof this is the case?


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    #76
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    We should do what the US does - lock them up for committing treason.

    Or give them the option of deportation if they agree to renounce all ties to this country, return all irish passports / permits or other related documentation and vow never to set foot on our soil ever again.

    We would of course finger print them and add them to the deny entry lists etc.


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    #77
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    We should do what the US does - lock them up for committing treason.
    ........

    .....they've committed treason against the Irish state? How so?


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    #78
    Stereomaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    I agree, Nodin. I have seen you trying to get these questions answered throughout even the last page of the thread, more than once, and I would like to see Wayne answer.


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    #79
    schnitzelEater
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    Nodin wrote: »
    There you are wayne. Here's a few questions you may have missed....

    Why would the two sites the story?

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Why don't you criticise those who joined the Brit and US armies?

    Why do you mantain the Irish are jihadis when theres no proof this is the case?

    Repeat of the Mujahideen. There is no legitimate reason for a Libyan to fight in Syria.


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    #80
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    schnitzelEater wrote: »
    Repeat of the Mujahideen. There is no legitimate reason for a Libyan to fight in Syria.

    Theres no "legitimate" reason for an Irishman to join the US, Brit or Australian armed forces. Does that bother you as well?

    Whats a "swampie"?

    How have these people committed "treason" against the Irish state?


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    #81
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Nodin wrote: »
    There you are wayne. Here's a few questions you may have missed....

    Why would the two sites the story?

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Why don't you criticise those who joined the Brit and US armies?

    Why do you mantain the Irish are jihadis when theres no proof this is the case?

    The Brits and Americans are irrelevant to this topic. Start up a thread on them if you wish.

    The two sites are sister websites and are both left wing tabloids. Their weekly circulation is 10, 000 copies. Id take their claims with a pinch of salt.

    Il stick witt the Washington Times and their articles, that prides itself on its tagline - the paper of record.

    Because that is what they are - jihadis, terrorists, islamic extremists and hopely persons non grata.


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    #82
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    The Brits and Americans are irrelevant to this topic. Start up a thread on them if you wish..

    .....They are, but the Irish who have left here to join their armies aren't. You're showing a double standard there. Why?
    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    The two sites are sister websites and are both left wing tabloids. Their weekly circulation is 10, 000 copies. Id take their claims with a pinch of salt...

    A nonsense. Circulation is no guide to veracity. The national enquirer sells around a million, the Sun around 7.

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Big font there, as you seem to have missed it.
    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Because that is what they are.


    Try harder there wayne. You've offered no proof those 26 are jihadists.


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    #83
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Nodin wrote: »
    .....They are, but the Irish who have left here to join their armies aren't. You're showing a double standard there. Why?



    A nonsense. Circulation is no guide to veracity. The national enquirer sells around a million, the Sun around 7.

    How could it be true when it contradicts Sunni beliefs?

    Big font there, as you seem to have missed it.




    Try harder there wayne. You've offered no proof those 26 are jihadists.

    People contradict their religous beliefs everyday. But I suppose, for someone who believes a left wing tabloid over a respectable top selling broadsheet in America - this may be a startling revelation.

    What would you call a group of Libyan veterans who took part in the Syrian conflict? Jihadis.


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    #84
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Anyone know anything about these f*cks?

    http://islamicvanguards.com/?p=487


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    #85
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    What would you call a group of Libyan veterans who took part in the Syrian conflict? Jihadis.

    Volunteers, idealists, pan arabists.......I don't know why they've gone. Its you that seems driven to label these people.


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    #86
    Airitech
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭Airitech


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Anyone know anything about these f*cks?

    http://islamicvanguards.com/?p=487

    "Spearheading Ireland's transformation"

    Save yourselves the hassle lads. Just get on a plane to Saudi Arabia and you will find a country that is already transformed into the paradise you desire.


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    #87
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Anyone know anything about these f*cks?

    http://islamicvanguards.com/?p=487


    I'll take a wild guess that they're some bunch you'll use to further your muslim bashing agenda.


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    #88
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'll take a wild guess that they're some bunch you'll use to further your muslim bashing agenda.

    We have what, 40, 000 muslims resident here?

    Largest number of syrian combatants, per capita, from the EU.

    Mad websites like the above.

    Doesnt bode well for the future. We have had enough religous strife in this country, ta very much.


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    #89
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    a large percentage of Muslims bring that on themselves nodin. No denying that. from issuing fatwas to flying innocent passengers into towers filled with innocent people they kinda have a bad rep. not all of them.......but quite a large amount.


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    #90
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    We have what, 40, 000 muslims resident here?

    Largest number of syrian combatants, per capita, from the EU.

    Mad websites like the above.

    Doesnt bode well for the future. We have had enough religous strife in this country, ta very much.


    Funny enough, the main contributor to strife seems to be the kind of fear mongering crap you come out with.


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    #91
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Nodin wrote: »
    Funny enough, the main contributor to strife seems to be the kind of fear mongering crap you come out with.

    Yup. Its never their fault - even though major issues arise wherever they go, even in small numbers.

    Blame it all on the conservatives.


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