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SF to refund property tax

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    #62
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    SamHall wrote: »
    Would you care to give a list of services provided with the domestic rates system in the north?

    Then give a list what is provided with the tax down here?

    Just for clarity.
    Ask Gerry Adams.

    His party voted for it.

    After you have asked him that, ask him how he is going to explain to the IMf why his party has gone against the terms of the bailout.

    May as well go for the hat-trick and ask him how he is going to make up the budget shortfall his refund will create.


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    #63
    stoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭stoneill


    frfintanstack wrote: »
    why is it unfair? everyone pays it who owns a property (unless exempt :) )

    Because you have already been taxed on the money to purchase the property.


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    #64
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    ........ ask him how he is going to explain to the IMf why his party has gone against the terms of the bailout.

    God forbid democracy should have anything to do with our future.


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    #65
    [Deleted User]
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    stoneill wrote: »
    Because you have already been taxed on the money to purchase the property.

    If you would like to live somewhere with relatively little taxation - and as a result, very little security, healthcare, schooling, infrastructure - perhaps you would prefer a move to Somalia?


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    #66
    Mint Sauce
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    Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »
    SF have come out and said they will refund property tax at some point in the future IF they get into government
    http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21062647/?view=Standard

    What a load of baloney.

    Very easy to say these things when not in power and even harder to do when in power.
    Where will the money come from to refund us? The Northern Bank :confused:

    Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

    But in most other countries that have a property/council tax, the money is spent on local services in the area that its collected.

    Here, it will just probably just go in one big pot with with every other tax. Unless that is some one can show what exactly it will be spent on and where.


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    #67
    Banjo String
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Ask Gerry Adams.

    His party votedqt.

    After you have asked him that, ask him how he is going to explain to the IMf why his party has gone against the terms of the bailout.

    May as well go for the hat-trick and ask him how he is going to make up the budget shortfall his refund will create.

    Pretty sure that the domestic rates system has been in place for decades before SF got into the coalition govt in the north. (as Junior partners may i add)

    As for asking Gerry Adams anything, that doesn't answer the question i asked you.

    What services are included with the rates system in the north?

    What services are included with the property tax they want to introduce here?

    Take your time now.


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    #68
    Dravokivich
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    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    If you would like to live somewhere with relatively little taxation - and as a result, very little security, healthcare, schooling, infrastructure - perhaps you would prefer a move to Somalia?

    The issue isn't "Why do we pay tax," It's "Why should we pay tax again on something we've already paid tax on, with tax"


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    #69
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    The issue isn't "Why do we pay tax," It's "Why should we pay tax again on something we've already paid tax on, with tax"

    Because a house is an asset? Why should a business man pay taxes on his earnings when he has already paid VAT on his goods sold? If we're going by your logic...


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    #70
    Augmerson
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    Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »
    SF have come out and said they will refund property tax at some point in the future IF they get into government
    http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21062647/?view=Standard

    What a load of baloney.

    Very easy to say these things when not in power and even harder to do when in power.
    Where will the money come from to refund us? The Northern Bank :confused:

    Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

    Yeah, shameful. People will say anything to get into power.

    Just look at the Blueshirts and Labour.


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    #71
    darkhorse
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    Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »
    Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

    I have two questions for you.

    1) Could you tell me what other countries enforced a property tax on its citizens in a recession.
    2) Does the countries that have a property tax, actually give some form of return to its citizens in for payment of the tax.


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    #72
    padd b1975
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    squod wrote: »
    God forbid democracy should have anything to do with our future.
    God forbid having money to run the country should have anything to do with our future.


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    #73
    Chips Lovell
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    So SF are first out of the blocks with promises of a giveaway budget?

    I suppose if they include a few more elements of the 1977 Fianna Fail general election manifesto they'll soon put this country on the road to recovery and kneecap this recession.


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    #74
    fishy fishy
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Why are the left wing against property tax, do they not even understand what they stand for or are they just all populists.

    you don't seem to understand why they are against the property tax - do you know what property tax is supposed to include?? Do you know that it doesn't include what it is supposed to in Ireland. You need to think a little deeper at what is going on.


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    #75
    Banjo String
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    God forbid having money to run the country should have anything to do with our future.

    But will it be used to 'run the country'?

    Sadly, we will never know for sure.


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    #76
    stoneill
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    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    If you would like to live somewhere with relatively little taxation - and as a result, very little security, healthcare, schooling, infrastructure - perhaps you would prefer a move to Somalia?

    Don't be facetious

    Other EU countries can manage very well with more progressive and fairer tax systems.
    As pointed out again and again - property tax in other countries go towards services, in Ireland they do not.
    It is simply a tax because you bothered your hole to buy a gaff, with income that was taxed, and heavily taxed since the introduction of USC, and stamp duty has been paid.


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    #77
    Banjo String
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    So SF are first out of the blocks with promises of a giveaway budget?

    I suppose if they include a few more elements of the 1977 Fianna Fail general election manifesto they'll soon put this country on the road to recovery and kneecap this recession.

    The complete opposite of what the current shower did pre - election?

    At least FG/Lab wouldn't stoop so low to promise the electorate things they had no intention of keeping. Because that's not what you do in elections after all......


    Wait a minute........


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    #78
    Dyr
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    What's worrying is the twenty odd percent of the population that believe Sinn Fein are a credible alternative.

    Being a credible alternative to a FG/Sticky government isn't really that much of an achievement though.


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    #79
    mike65
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    This isn't worth the ink used to print the document.


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    #80
    Chips Lovell
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    SamHall wrote: »
    The complete opposite of what the current shower did pre - election?

    At least FG/Lab wouldn't stoop so low to promise the electorate things they had no intention of keeping. Because that's not what you do in elections after all......


    Wait a minute........

    I suppose if you're upset with one government not keeping pre-election promises, the logical option is to vote for someone who makes even more unrealistic promises.


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    #81
    Sergeant
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    mike65 wrote: »
    This isn't worth the ink used to print the document.

    Did we ever end up getting a refund for that?


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    #82
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Ask Gerry Adams.

    His party voted for it.

    After you have asked him that, ask him how he is going to explain to the IMf why his party has gone against the terms of the bailout.

    May as well go for the hat-trick and ask him how he is going to make up the budget shortfall his refund will create.

    LOL - is that your answer? :roll eyes: Do you even know the answer :D


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    #83
    Banjo String
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    I suppose if you're upset with one government not keeping pre-election promises, the logical option is to vote for someone who makes even more unrealistic promises.

    Good point.

    I was pointing out your hypocrisy though.


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    #84
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    SamHall wrote: »
    But will it be used to 'run the country'?

    Sadly, we will never know for sure.
    Before the IMF/Troika came to town, we had more or less enough money to keep services (Police, hospitals, education etc etc) going for about 5 months.

    Since then services have been maintained and no public servant has seen their pay cheque bounce.

    As far as I'm concerned, the answer is yes.
    It has been used to run the country.


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    #85
    ardmacha
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    Would you care to give a list of services provided with the domestic rates system in the north?

    With the exception of bins, the services provided North and South are not very different and the property tax in the 26 counties is half that in the North.

    While there are legitimate questions about the quality of the exact service, this continual posting that there is no service provided is immature.


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    #86
    darkhorse
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    easy fool a lot of the people. throw any jul crap at them and they believe it.

    Yer right there. Thats exactly what happened two years ago.


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    #87
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    seriously after reading the posts on this thread, I can fully understand why this govt keeps lobbing tax after tax onto people, fleecing them at every chance they get - I'm beginning to think it is deserved because of the stupidity of people not to questions what the actual money is supposed to be doing.


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    #88
    PauloMN
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Ask Gerry Adams.

    His party voted for it.

    After you have asked him that, ask him how he is going to explain to the IMf why his party has gone against the terms of the bailout.

    May as well go for the hat-trick and ask him how he is going to make up the budget shortfall his refund will create.

    It'll come from the same place that SF think the solutions to all the country's problems will come from.... "taxing the wealthy." :pac:


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    #89
    Banjo String
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    LOL - is that your answer? :roll eyes: Do you even know the answer :D

    Nobody wants to give that answer.

    Fact is, it's stupidity to try and compare the two.

    Rates = health care, education, refuse collection all provided within your rates .

    Irish property tax = what exactly? If it includes doctor /hospital appointments, no more book fees, motor tax deductions, emptying our bins etc, sign me up.


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    #90
    frfintanstack
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    stoneill wrote: »
    Because you have already been taxed on the money to purchase the property.

    Im not sure why that matters, plenty of taxes are like that.


    so get out protesting about VAT, vrt, etc. etc....

    still dont know why you think its not fair?

    a tax on an asset like this should be exactly what left wing parties here should be for as it proportionately affects better off people more.

    As well as being a true "wealth tax" that the muppets in Sinn Fein call for often enough.


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    #91
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    stoneill wrote: »
    Don't be facetious

    Other EU countries can manage very well with more progressive and fairer tax systems.
    As pointed out again and again - property tax in other countries go towards services, in Ireland they do not.
    It is simply a tax because you bothered your hole to buy a gaff, with income that was taxed, and heavily taxed since the introduction of USC, and stamp duty has been paid.

    Really now? I think you're misrepresenting the word "progressive." As in, in other countries such as Germany, the lower paid will also pay a lot more tax. So our system of tax is incredibly kind to the lower paid, while harsher on those who earn more.

    So do tell of these magical countries who run services without taking in taxes. I'd love to know how they do it. :rolleyes:

    Also, property taxes WILL go to local councils, with the onus on the electorate to choose their councilors WISELY. What is the problem with this?


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