SF to refund property tax

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SF have come out and said they will refund property tax at some point in the future IF they get into government
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21062647/?view=Standard

What a load of baloney.

Very easy to say these things when not in power and even harder to do when in power.
Where will the money come from to refund us? The Northern Bank

Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

Robbo

And the auction politics for the next election begins...

shanered

Sounds a bit more realistic then the 100,000 jobs and the rest promised by the current government.

Iwasfrozen

More populist crap from SF, oh well.

davet82

I heard you'll also get a miniature Irish flag and a Mars bar too...


they've got my vote

fishy fishy

Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »

SF have come out and said they will refund property tax at some point in the future IF they get into government
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21062647/?view=Standard

What a load of baloney.

Very easy to say these things when not in power and even harder to do when in power.
Where will the money come from to refund us? The Northern Bank

Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

easy fool a lot of the people. throw any jul crap at them and they believe it. they are on the verge of raiding personal accounts to keep themselves afloat and people are still believing their fables.

wolfpawnat

With their bandwagon hopping politics, if the in thing is to support the property tax next week (which I know it won't but anyway) They would be all for that. They are just going for the popular vote..... AGAIN!!!! It's all so predictable.

Sergeant

Does this mean that Pearse Doherty's insufferable drone will be all over the airwaves for the next few days?

Time to charge my ipod.

Most of the morons over that side of the Dáil chamber have absolutely no real alternatives to what is currently in place, and they cannot realistically believe the bullshít they do put forward as alternatives.

More absolute gibberish and rubbish from the most economically illiterate party in the chamber.

admiralofthefleet

maybe they should consider telling families where their loved ones are buried as well

wolfpawnat

Sergeant wrote: »

More absolute gibberish and rubbish from the most economically illiterate party in the chamber.

No one else seems to have done any better in all fairness!

I think we need a cull, the few good people in every party (optimistic, but they surely exist) kept, and everyone else just taking out and put to slaughter! No pensions!!!

Technoprisoner

Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »

Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

the difference being that the property tax in other country's pays for bins to be emptied and other services to be provided...what do we get for our property tax?

Caliden

WHAT ABOUT MY CHEESE??!

wolfpawnat

Technoprisoner wrote: »

the difference being that the property tax in other country's pays for bins to be emptied and other services to be provided...what do we get for our property tax?

Scraps from the rubbish bins of our German and French overlords!

Penn

They should have stopped at "We'll abolish the property tax".

Saying they'll refund everyone is just a huge steaming pile of nonsense. And if anything, puts me off voting for them because it's increasingly clear they'll say anything to get into power without actually having a sensible plan to achieve anything they promise.

MadsL

Refunds here, Council tax in NI.

Will the real SF please stand up, please stand up.

wolfpawnat

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

maybe they should consider telling families where their loved ones are buried as well

And the UDF and British Army should take responsibility for their slaughtering of innocent Irish citizens too, if we are going to be throwing that particular statement around.

But it doesn't have anything to do with the property tax now does it?

jam_mac_jam

Yeah and three wishes for every house...

Itsdacraic

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

maybe they should consider telling families where their loved ones are buried as well

Is that you Enda?

The Backwards Man

What's worrying is the twenty odd percent of the population that believe Sinn Fein are a credible alternative.

admiralofthefleet

Itsdacraic wrote: »

Is that you Enda?

Inda, to you

wolfpawnat

MadsL wrote: »

Refunds here, Council tax in NI.

Will the real SF please stand up, please stand up.

They can't, they don't know who they are anymore! Seriously hilarious though. "We oppose the Marie Stopes Clinic here in Belfast" next day in Leinster House "Abortions for all!" Like I said, going with for what they assume is the popular vote. It'll change like the weather


And now you have me singing that in my head!!!!

wolfpawnat

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What's worrying is the twenty odd percent of the population that believe Sinn Fein are a credible alternative.

Well everyone else has had a go and everything is still going tits up.

Amirani

wolfpawnat wrote: »

And the UDF and British Army should take responsibility for their slaughtering of innocent Irish citizens too, if we are going to be throwing that particular statement around.

They should, but neither the UDF or the British Army are running in the Dáil elections so it's a moot point.

Dravokivich

Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »

Every other country in europe has a property tax (open to correction) and we are coming into line.

Their property tax generally goes to local services right?

For us, it doesn't matter what the tax is called, it all gets thrown into the same bucket right?

So why have a property tax at all? Oh, to seem like they aren't increasing income tax or VAT or whatever...

Hannibal

and people in here call SF "economically illiterate" when the alternative is FG, Labour of FF have I presume to show themselves as being economically literate?? maybe the Green are the real alternative if this is the case

4zn76tysfajdxp

Accusing Sinn Fein of being "economically illiterate" (though I think they are and suspect they're also literally illiterate) shouldn't be taken as a ringing endorsement for the other parties, you can criticise one without supporting the other you know.

wolfpawnat

NiallSparky wrote: »

They should, but neither the UDF or the British Army are running in the Dáil elections so it's a moot point.

You use force you're condemned, you use politics, you're condemned.

Not the point of this thread in general, there are plenty SF threads on here and Politics for that point to be discussed.

They are in Leinster house, not just running for it so some people have some sort of faith in them. And 20% according to the last poll are satisfied with them so that says something. If you read my posts I am not their biggest fan these days either.

Grayson

Dotsey wrote: »

and people in here call SF "economically illiterate" when the alternative is FG, Labour of FF have I presume to show themselves as being economically literate?? maybe the Green are the real alternative if this is the case

There's a difference between incompetent & corrupt (FF), ineffective (FG & Lab) and a populist & stupid (SF).

SF have no coherent policies. They are incapable of taking power. Their economic policies strike a chord with those who don't know any better, but they don't actually amount to everyone. They're right up there with Vermine . Supreme who promised everyone a free pony if he became president of the US.

anncoates

I wonder would the SF voters of the 80s have thought they'd see the day where the party would be standing side by side with the beleaguered middle-class homeowners of Ireland. :pac:.

Fratton Fred

Bah, vote for me and I'll buy everyone free beer for an entire year.

Grayson

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You use force you're condemned, you use politics, you're condemned.

Not the point of this thread in general, there are plenty SF threads on here and Politics for that point to be discussed.

They are in Leinster house, not just running for it so some people have some sort of faith in them. And 20% according to the last poll are satisfied with them so that says something. If you read my posts I am not their biggest fan these days either.

Or completely dissatisfied with the mainstream policies. All across europe Lesser parties are grabbing votes. They are groups like the UKIP or Le Pen's national front. It's not so much faith in those parties as a dissatisfaction with the status quo.

jam_mac_jam

Why are the left wing against property tax, do they not even understand what they stand for or are they just all populists.

wolfpawnat

Grayson wrote: »

Or completely dissatisfied with the mainstream policies. All across europe Lesser parties are grabbing votes. They are groups like the UKIP or Le Pen's national front. It's not so much faith in those parties as a dissatisfaction with the status quo.

As I said, the popular vote hunting and everyone else having a go and getting us nowhere better.

Banjo String

A party promising something that they have no intention of keeping once they get into power ?

Where would you see the likes of that?


Not another red cent.
Labours way or frankfurts way.....

Sergeant

Dotsey wrote: »

and people in here call SF "economically illiterate" when the alternative is FG, Labour of FF have I presume to show themselves as being economically literate?? maybe the Green are the real alternative if this is the case

There would be no one more disappointed in SF, if they ever got into power, than their core voters. Intellectual heavyweights like Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Martin Ferris peering over the figures, and reaching the conclusion that refunding the property tax and ditching water charges won't help to keep the place running.

This is one of the most cynical and manipulative pieces of populist politics seen in quite some time. Thankfully most people can see it for what it is.

leeroybrown

This is exactly the same thing that Silvio Berluscone was promising in the run up to the recent Italian elections.

Hannibal

Grayson wrote: »

There's a difference between incompetent & corrupt (FF), ineffective (FG & Lab) and a populist & stupid (SF).

SF have no coherent policies. They are incapable of taking power. Their economic policies strike a chord with those who don't know any better, but they don't actually amount to everyone. They're right up there with Vermine . Supreme who promised everyone a free pony if he became president of the US.

So FF, FG and Labour haven't spouted unrealistic populism to get into power than go back on all their election promises?

Yes they're a party who hasn't been in power for 90 years in this country and in truth I don't think they truly want it yet but are intent on growing and consolidating their power base. They're in government in the north albeit with limited power due to London not giving Belfast enough control of the reins

TwoShedsJackson

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why are the left wing against property tax, do they not even understand what they stand for or are they just all populists.

Exactly. A left wing party should be most in favour of a property tax, but because they're in opposition they know they can say what they want to get in and then ignore it.

frfintanstack

Dravokivich wrote: »

Their property tax generally goes to local services right?

For us, it doesn't matter what the tax is called, it all gets thrown into the same bucket right?

So why have a property tax at all? Oh, to seem like they aren't increasing income tax or VAT or whatever...

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

mathie

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

The same county councils that had their funding cut by the government to justify the property tax.

And where is the money going that they cut? Thats right ... to pay off bondholders.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Dravokivich

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

for local services... which we are paying for already....

wolfpawnat

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

So they are telling us, but skeptical public is skeptical! Why is there no paper trail?

Banjo String

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Exactly. A left wing party should be most in favour of a property tax, but because they're in opposition they know they can say what they want to get in and then ignore it.

Tbf, if services (even some services) were included with the property tax in this country, you'd have a point.

Our property tax is being introduced, but seemingly not accountable to anything.

Look up what council tax in the UK provides, or rates in the north.....

Fratton Fred

mathie wrote: »

The same county councils that had their funding cut by the government to justify the property tax.

And where is the money going that they cut? Thats right ... to pay off bondholders.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Actually it is going to help fund a bloated and overpaid public sector.

Sergeant

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Actually it is going to help fund a bloated and overpaid public sector.

Don't introduce reality into the discussion, Fred. We'd rather have shadowy groups of Germans and bondholders to blame.

I'll give everyone one MILLION DOLLARS if they vote for me!

frfintanstack

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

anncoates

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

By that you mean much better at replacing the large hole in service funding created by paying off gargantuan bank debts?

Plus many thousands of people that bought property in managed estates in the last 10 years already pay anywhere between 400-1500 quid a year for services usually provided to older estates by local authorities.

wolfpawnat

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

from the Leinster House bar????

Banjo String

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout st it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

If you really believe councils will cut the charges when they can set their own rates, you're not thinking straight at all.

Upwards only may have well been written in the legislation.

Terry1985

if SF said they'd come out of assassination retirement and
dish out some real justice against the bankers, Fianna Fail and
that weak financial regulator they'd get my vote.