SF to refund property tax

jam_mac_jam

Why are the left wing against property tax, do they not even understand what they stand for or are they just all populists.

wolfpawnat

Grayson wrote: »

Or completely dissatisfied with the mainstream policies. All across europe Lesser parties are grabbing votes. They are groups like the UKIP or Le Pen's national front. It's not so much faith in those parties as a dissatisfaction with the status quo.

As I said, the popular vote hunting and everyone else having a go and getting us nowhere better.

Banjo String

A party promising something that they have no intention of keeping once they get into power ?

Where would you see the likes of that?


Not another red cent.
Labours way or frankfurts way.....

Sergeant

Dotsey wrote: »

and people in here call SF "economically illiterate" when the alternative is FG, Labour of FF have I presume to show themselves as being economically literate?? maybe the Green are the real alternative if this is the case

There would be no one more disappointed in SF, if they ever got into power, than their core voters. Intellectual heavyweights like Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Martin Ferris peering over the figures, and reaching the conclusion that refunding the property tax and ditching water charges won't help to keep the place running.

This is one of the most cynical and manipulative pieces of populist politics seen in quite some time. Thankfully most people can see it for what it is.

leeroybrown

This is exactly the same thing that Silvio Berluscone was promising in the run up to the recent Italian elections.

Hannibal

Grayson wrote: »

There's a difference between incompetent & corrupt (FF), ineffective (FG & Lab) and a populist & stupid (SF).

SF have no coherent policies. They are incapable of taking power. Their economic policies strike a chord with those who don't know any better, but they don't actually amount to everyone. They're right up there with Vermine . Supreme who promised everyone a free pony if he became president of the US.

So FF, FG and Labour haven't spouted unrealistic populism to get into power than go back on all their election promises?

Yes they're a party who hasn't been in power for 90 years in this country and in truth I don't think they truly want it yet but are intent on growing and consolidating their power base. They're in government in the north albeit with limited power due to London not giving Belfast enough control of the reins

TwoShedsJackson

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why are the left wing against property tax, do they not even understand what they stand for or are they just all populists.

Exactly. A left wing party should be most in favour of a property tax, but because they're in opposition they know they can say what they want to get in and then ignore it.

frfintanstack

Dravokivich wrote: »

Their property tax generally goes to local services right?

For us, it doesn't matter what the tax is called, it all gets thrown into the same bucket right?

So why have a property tax at all? Oh, to seem like they aren't increasing income tax or VAT or whatever...

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

mathie

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

The same county councils that had their funding cut by the government to justify the property tax.

And where is the money going that they cut? Thats right ... to pay off bondholders.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Dravokivich

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

for local services... which we are paying for already....

wolfpawnat

frfintanstack wrote: »

your point is incorrect. property tax goes to the county councils.

So they are telling us, but skeptical public is skeptical! Why is there no paper trail?

Banjo String

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Exactly. A left wing party should be most in favour of a property tax, but because they're in opposition they know they can say what they want to get in and then ignore it.

Tbf, if services (even some services) were included with the property tax in this country, you'd have a point.

Our property tax is being introduced, but seemingly not accountable to anything.

Look up what council tax in the UK provides, or rates in the north.....

Fratton Fred

mathie wrote: »

The same county councils that had their funding cut by the government to justify the property tax.

And where is the money going that they cut? Thats right ... to pay off bondholders.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Actually it is going to help fund a bloated and overpaid public sector.

Sergeant

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Actually it is going to help fund a bloated and overpaid public sector.

Don't introduce reality into the discussion, Fred. We'd rather have shadowy groups of Germans and bondholders to blame.

coffee_cake

I'll give everyone one MILLION DOLLARS if they vote for me!

frfintanstack

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

anncoates

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

By that you mean much better at replacing the large hole in service funding created by paying off gargantuan bank debts?

Plus many thousands of people that bought property in managed estates in the last 10 years already pay anywhere between 400-1500 quid a year for services usually provided to older estates by local authorities.

wolfpawnat

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout about it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

from the Leinster House bar????

Banjo String

frfintanstack wrote: »

Ye can all shout st it but its a much better way of paying for local services than present.

It removes the disconnect between the people paying for the services and those providing it. and there is scope for well run councils to cut the property charge in their areas. The level of accountability of county councils will improve if its done correctly.

As for Sinn Fein, their policies are written on the back of a beermat

If you really believe councils will cut the charges when they can set their own rates, you're not thinking straight at all.

Upwards only may have well been written in the legislation.

Terry1985

if SF said they'd come out of assassination retirement and
dish out some real justice against the bankers, Fianna Fail and
that weak financial regulator they'd get my vote.

frfintanstack

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Actually it is going to help fund a bloated and overpaid public sector.

making the county councils accountable for spending the property tax can only improve accountability.

The large disconnect between the payment and provision of services now hides a lot.

Look at the hysterical moaning with the introduction of this tax. imagine the county councillors knocking on doors looking for a vote when they've been wasting your money paid directly.

might make people think of who they vote for in local elections a bit more carefully. Not just vote for the guy who got the pothole fixed outside your gate

frfintanstack

SamHall wrote: »

If you really believe councils will cut the charges when they can set their own rates, you're not thinking straight at all.

Upwards only may have well been written in the legislation.

they have to get elected....so who you going to vote for? the guys putting the charges up or those saying they can do it better for less?

LordSutch

You gotta hand it to Sinn Fein, they make sure they are in the headlines every week, always headlining with a much
higher profile than any other party in the Dail. Love em or hate em (as I do) they never miss a populist trick . . .

stoneill

Folks,
You have to analyse the property tax, why are homeowners being burdened by a tax on dwellings that was paid for
by income that was already subjected to tax? This is inherently unfair.
As we are always being compared to other EU countries, they pay it so we should pay it.
The big difference is that their contribution go directly into services, services that we have to pay separately for.
Paid for by income that has already been subjected to tax.

whatever you end up paying for property tax - remember you have to earn twice that much to allow you pay.
If it's €200 - you need to earn €400 etc.

I would consider my pay to be quite healthy - but recently all I have is enough to pay bills and little else.
There is no disposable income, my back account is €47 until Thursday.
I will pay outstanding bills and buy the groceries. that will use up all my income.
Compared to others I'm in a better financial position as I don't owe anyone, however for a person
who has worked for the last 30 years to be going around with just €20 lunch money for the week, it's
a deplorable situation to be in.

frfintanstack

stoneill wrote: »

Folks,
You have to analyse the property tax, why are homeowners being burdened by a tax on dwellings that was paid for
by income that was already subjected to tax? This is inherently unfair.

why is it unfair? everyone pays it who owns a property (unless exempt )

Riskymove

Penn wrote: »

They should have stopped at "We'll abolish the property tax".

Saying they'll refund everyone is just a huge steaming pile of nonsense. And if anything, puts me off voting for them because it's increasingly clear they'll say anything to get into power without actually having a sensible plan to achieve anything they promise.

indeed, what happens if they dont come to power for 20 years? are they really gonna be able to refund 20 years worth of tax?

Rented Mule

Brynlee Salmon Desk wrote: »

SF have come out and said they will refund property tax at some point in the future IF they get into government
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/21062647/?view=Standard

They also want to raise the corporation tax to 30% essentially chasing every multinational out of the country.

padd b1975

Sinn Féin are part of Government in Northern Ireland, a country which pays a much higher rate of property tax (A tax that SF supported)

How can this shower of chancers endorse a tax out of one side of their mouth while out of the other promise to refund a lower rate of the same tax to a guy 200 yards down the road because they think its unfair???


The truth really is stranger than fiction.

Banjo String

padd b1975 wrote: »

Sinn Féin are part of Government in Northern Ireland, a country which pays a much higher rate of property tax (A tax that SF supported)

How can this shower of chancers endorse a tax out of one side of their mouth while out of the other promise to refund a lower rate of the same tax to a guy 200 yards down the road because they think its unfair???


The truth really is stranger than fiction.

Would you care to give a list of services provided with the domestic rates system in the north?

Then give a list what is provided with the tax down here?

Just for clarity.

squod

Dotsey wrote: »

....... maybe the Green are the real alternative if this is the case

Don't mention those buggers. In government five minutes, commit mass fraud during the Anglo bail-out. Back on their arses with a full pension.

First against the wall after FF if ever get my way.