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Coming out or not when I'm visiting apartments
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For me it would be awkward and uncomfortable living with a gay person after they chanced me.
OK. I'm not going to discuss my sexuality anymore or engage in that debate because
a) it is miles off topic
b) I am fully comfortable with my sexuality and no exactly where I'm at.
c) I think there's an element of people trying to take the p*ss there.
d) I've just learned, that like George Clooney, I don't care what people think my sexuality is.
We have a bunch of hypocrites here though, because while everyone is roaring about equality I'm willing to wager that anybody who is living in shared accomodation here has chosen that house on a discriminatory basis whether they like to think it or not.
Social cohorts discriminate. That is nature. That is why we have groups of lads and groups of girls walking around the shopping centres. That is why we have old age pensioners playing bingo together, 'Irish' pubs, gay bars, clubs and bars (and indeed whole communities) with mainly black people in them, and kids making friends with people their own age, and, no doubt, houses of gay people living together.
It's nature, it's normal, it's not something we should be running around crying discrimination about. People tend towards their own 'categories'. And people shouldn't be getting all offended because it's completely normal.
It would be a sad world if we had to rename those bingo nights to Ageist nights, and we had Club Racism in full swing in downtown Racistville, and kids were sexist racist ageist animals.
People here need to be realistic and see that the whole human societal structure is discriminatory. And sexuality is not entitled to any preferential treatment, unless one, single, genuine reason can be given for that.
You're right, there's an element of taking the piss in some of what I've said. You're being quite absurd and irrational at times so there is little point trying to engage you at a strictly intellectual level.
That said, there is also an equal element of truth. My perception of you is of somebody with issues around sexuality. Maybe you are as heterosexual as you say, but there are some issues there.
Either that or you are quite irrational and illogical on issues such as this or otherwise on issues of discrimination.
With regard to your assertion that everybody discriminates in grounds of age, sex or race etc with regard to who they live with or socialise with, you fail to grasp the rather large difference between somebody who tends towards living with or socialising with members of a similar demographic, race, sexual orientation and somebody who will not countenance living with them under any circumstances.0 -
You're right, there's an element of taking the piss in some of what I've said. You're being quite absurd and irrational at times so there is little point trying to engage you at a strictly intellectual level.
We are very far from engagement at an intellectual level, what we have here is 1 guy trying to give his point of view (be it right or wrong) to a very biased group of people who have an ideal of a society where people should not even bat an eyelid or give an ounce of thought to the differences between a homosexual person and a straight person. And you can't seem to understand why people might have preferences, regarding sexuality, the same way they have preference regarding gender and age, in the formation of their social circle. Your ideal world would be , in fact, chaotic.
Ha ha. You couldn't resist. As I said in a previous post my own sexuality is very off topic. Suffice it to say, I am very aware of what my sexuality isThat said, there is also an equal element of truth. My perception of you is of somebody with issues around sexuality. Maybe you are as heterosexual as you say, but there are some issues there.
My main concern would be for how silly the basis of your suspicion is. If you regard a person who has a preference to live with straight people, as having sexuality issues, for me, that is akin to a person who has a preference to live with male people, as not being sure of their gender
But I know your'e just winding up there.With regard to your assertion that everybody discriminates in grounds of age, sex or race etc with regard to who they live with or socialise with, you fail to grasp the rather large difference between somebody who tends towards living with or socialising with members of a similar demographic, race, sexual orientation and somebody who will not countenance liv
You fail to grasp, that in many regards, there is no difference between 'tend'ing towards those with similar demographics, and 'reject'ing those of different demographics. You've just tried to dress it up nicely 0 -
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Loving your passive aggressive smilies there.
Anyway, fair play for knowing your sexuality. However you clearly have hang ups about sexuality itself. You can try talking yourself out of hole you're in but the fact of the matter is you have said some very derogatory things, your reasonings for not wanting to live with gay people are flawed and pathetically weak and a complete misunderstanding o a bunch of people who you clearly feel are perverted.
You haven't given good reasons for not wanting to live with gays, whatever you might think you honestly haven't. You've just given abuse.
While it may be difficult for a gay person to agree on a good reason for not living with gays, I assure you I've given a few good reasons. We have a pitiful case of extreme bias here which is a problem when discussing this issue.
Even if I only considered it from a Darwinian point of view, it is in my best interest to socialise with straight people. I know you can't see any of this. But I try anyway for some reason. Blinded by bias is the real tragedy here.
Here's another passive agressive smiley for you 0 -
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While it may be difficult for a gay person to agree on a good reason for not living with gays, I assure you I've given a few good reasons. We have a pitiful case of extreme bias here which is a problem when discussing this issue.
Even if I only considered it from a Darwinian point of view, it is in my best interest to socialise with straight people. I know you can't see any of this. But I try anyway for some reason. Blinded by bias is the real tragedy here.
Here's another passive agressive smiley for you
Do you think your own opinion is unbiased?It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Terry Pratchet
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We are very far from engagement at an intellectual level, what we have here is 1 guy trying to give his point of view (be it right or wrong) to a very biased group of people who have an ideal of a society where people should not even bat an eyelid or give an ounce of thought to the differences between a homosexual person and a straight person. And you can't seem to understand why people might have preferences, regarding sexuality, the same way they have preference regarding gender and age, in the formation of their social circle. Your ideal world would be , in fact, chaotic.
Ha ha. You couldn't resist. As I said in a previous post my own sexuality is very off topic. Suffice it to say, I am very aware of what my sexuality is
My main concern would be for how silly the basis of your suspicion is. If you regard a person who has a preference to live with straight people, as having sexuality issues, for me, that is akin to a person who has a preference to live with male people, as not being sure of their gender
But I know your'e just winding up there.
You fail to grasp, that in many regards, there is no difference between 'tend'ing towards those with similar demographics, and 'reject'ing those of different demographics. You've just tried to dress it up nicely
I wasn't just winding you up. You do seem to have issues regarding sexuality/your sexuality.
My phone only posted half of what I had typed.
I had continued to explain the difference but it didn't post.
Essentially, there is a difference is as such.
John is a white male from the midlands in his mid 20s. because of his background, age and interests, most of John's friends are white males from the midlands in their mid 20's to early thirties. Thats just because they are the group he is most likely to socialise. John does however have some very good female friends and a small number of friends from different age groups and ethnic backgrounds. John lives with three other white guys in their mid 20s, because they happen to be his best friends and they get along well. John is happy to live with anybody really as long as they get along we'll and are comparable.
Sean is a white male from the midlands in his mid 20's. as a rule, Sean only socialise with other white males in his age group. He has no friends from other tonic groups because he operates under the assumption that they are all the same, and they will automatically have nothing in common. Sean places a lot of emphasis on arbitrary characteristics such as age, sex, race and doesn't see the point in trying to know anybody not in the same demographic as him. Sean lives with three other white guys in their mid-20s. The fact that they are white men in their mid-20/ was very important to him when deciding who to live with. Sean cannot contemplate not living with white men of his age under any circumstances.
See the difference there Sean?0 -
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