How will you choose between MS & Sony's new consoles?

NTMK

Beefy78 wrote: »

PS+ was such a devilishly good idea on someone at Sony's part.

the question that has to be asked is will they turn it into the XBL system because they know people will pay for online and sony are big enough assholes to do it.

I really don't understand how PS+ is benefiting sony as the still have to pay devs for the free games and what is it 40/50 euro for a year including 10+ games for free

F1ngers

NTMK wrote: »

what is it 40/50 euro for a year including 10+ games for free

10+ games for PS3 and PS Vita, so closer to 20+ games per year.

wnolan1992

NTMK wrote: »

the question that has to be asked is will they turn it into the XBL system because they know people will pay for online and sony are big enough assholes to do it.

I really don't understand how PS+ is benefiting sony as the still have to pay devs for the free games and what is it 40/50 euro for a year including 10+ games for free

It's possible that it isn't benefiting them at the moment, and that they just introduced it to get PS players used to the idea of paying for online stuff, so that it'll be less of a shock if they decide to go down the Microsoft route on the PS4. As in, PS+ would become the XBL Gold equivalent.

Steviemoyne

I will be making my choice from the following: Which one doesn't mishandle their users online details.

hightower1

I really wish this ridiculous idea that Sony will be blocking used games would die. Its the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long while.

Sure, devs and publishers would love 'em for it but why in the name of god would they shoot themselves in the foot so badly and give the competition such a HUGE selling point over them!? :eek:

Keeping dev sweet is one thing but its not going to do them any good to have the devs in love with the platfom cause its 100% revenue generating for them ...... but it makes no revenue in the first place cause no one has bought it cause you cant play pre owned games.

COYVB

It's not really an either/or for me to be honest. The New Xbox (silly name) will be out first, with the PS4 likely a good quarter behind. Personally, no reason not to get both as, just like the current gen, they'll each have their own strengths and weaknesses

F1ngers

Steviemoyne wrote: »

I will be making my choice from the following: Which one doesn't mishandle their users online details.

So, you're going to miss the whole of the next gen then.
As you won't know which does/doesn't mishandle your details until it's finished.

Also, you can use pre-paid cards for both consoles now, I'd imagine it will be the same next gen too.

Beefy78

F1ngers wrote: »

10+ games for PS3 and PS Vita, so closer to 20+ games per year.

It's a hell of a lot more than 10 (I appreciate you said 10+...). Isn't it at least 13 at any one time with 3+ new PS3 and 3+ Vita games per month? So really 50+ games per year?

I don't think Sony pay much to the Devs for the free games. They'll always be at the point where they're earning next to nothing for the studios because they're 12-18 months old so opening them up to a few million new people represents great opportunities to sell DLC.

Pixelbastardo

I will never pay for xboxLive, specially with all the ads they have the nerve to put on a paid service.
Unless sony do something crazy to make the ps4 seem less attractive, ill be picking one up.

If MS push the nextbox with a built in kinect, casual, media box bs, even free online option wont convince me to buy one.

Will be interesting to see what exactly sony have in mind for their Gaikai cloud service too. And DS4 controller will be supposedly altered, hopefully for the better,.... although if it aint broke, why try and fix it ?, worse comes to worse and they mess up the control, which is highly unlikely, they will always be 3rd party controllers to do the job... i wouldnt worry about the no used games rumor either, as its complete bs and a death warrant sony wouldnt sign.

Pushtrak

Steviemoyne wrote: »

I will be making my choice from the following: Which one doesn't mishandle their users online details.

Check out one of my posts on this thread, and you'll see I have issues with Sony of this generation with the PS3. Despite my seeing the faults (of all three) I'm going to have to challenge this somewhat. Well, first is the obvious, you don't know something is going to happen unless it does, and when if so. Also, none of the consoles are really entirely safe.

Just don't put your credit card on the console. I wouldn't want a site to keep my details like that when I'm on the PC, nor would I want it on a console. It'd be a target. And targets are vulnerable. If I was to say something about the hacking situation, I'd say that it might have been better for something official to come from Sony quicker than it did. There needs to be communication in these things. Obviously what they knew, or could say would be limited, saying something is important.

hightower1 wrote: »

I really wish this ridiculous idea that Sony will be blocking used games would die. Its the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long while.

I saw an article saying the exact same thing about the next xbox. One can take that as one of two things. Confirmation it is true, or seeing it as throwing it out and seeing what sticks (i.e. hits on sites) and between those, I'd go the latter.

Sure, devs and publishers would love 'em for it

Lots of people today purchase new games off the back of preowned games, so there'd be a decline in that way. People might buy fewer games new. Hard to say how the balance would look for sure, but probably still would favour the publishers.

Myrddin

Pixelbastardo wrote: »

although if it aint broke, why try and fix it ?

I find the PS controller pretty poor. It was a nice design when the PS1 came out, but almost a decade on...I think it needs the attention they say its going to get.

Pixelbastardo

EnterNow wrote: »

I find the PS controller pretty poor. It was a nice design when the PS1 came out, but almost a decade on...I think it needs the attention they say its going to get.

I dont mind it as it is, although i guess it is getting abit stale at this point.
I just dont want them to go crazy with it, like the original boomarang design they were thinking of using on the ps3 :eek:

Maybe theyll put in these heart rate/pulse monitor sensors things that are on the steambox control. along with rubber molded grips on the handles, stuff like that i wouldnt mind, but not a complete re-design. I trust sony will deliver something good though whatever they decide.... once the guy who though up the doom a rang control aint incharge ^^

COYVB

EnterNow wrote: »

I find the PS controller pretty poor. It was a nice design when the PS1 came out, but almost a decade on...I think it needs the attention they say its going to get.

Like the Xbox controller, I find it's good at some things and not so good at others. The d-pad, for example, is great, and I prefer the shoulder buttons. I don't like the lack of resistance on the analog sticks though

hightower1

COYVB wrote: »

Like the Xbox controller, I find it's good at some things and not so good at others. The d-pad, for example, is great, and I prefer the shoulder buttons. I don't like the lack of resistance on the analog sticks though

I lke the shoulder buttons but dont like the triggers. In an FPS setting for example on a single shot rifle its physicall a longer trigger pull on a xbox controller vs a dual shock.
Hate the spongey D pad on the xbox controller too and the actual direction indicators seem too rounded and not well defined.

General size and shape is spot in though. I'd like tosee them go mental on it, something off the wall like a removable back plate with a heat activated plastic someting like gumsheild material so you can comfort mounld it as you like. Total pie in the sky stuff but I'd love to give it a go. (suppose you could get the same effect with Sugru)

On the analogue stick point I'd whole heartedly recomend to anyone to use Controll freaks for a day! €5 and the level of precision is astonishing! So much so that I cant play withou them anymore. The default lenth of the sticks just feel like unusable stubs now. A vry very very weird feeling changing back?!

super_furry

The value added services will play a big role. If Microsoft are still looking for €50 just to play online and Sony offering free online and a continuation of PlayStation Plus, it'll be Sony.

Mike Litoris

Microsoft for Forza. Plus the 720 will have a Blu Ray player and I have a Boxee so I'll have Zero reason to go with the Sony.

super_furry

Microsoft's Blu Ray drive may not play Blu Ray movies.

http://www.thenextxbox.com/2013/01/15/microsoft-may-opt-against-blu-ray-movie-playback-with-xbox-next/

Mitch Connor

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'll be getting both but I'll be waiting a while before I get either. Both the PS3 and 360 had abysmal launches

I wasn't a PC gamer, so it was better for me I suppose. Call of Duty 2 is probably my favourite gaming experience ever. It was the best game I had played on a console. Loved it so much I completed it on Vet level or whatever it is called, and the moment I completed that last mission on Vet was the best feeling of video game accomplishment I have ever had.

I loved the NFS game that came out on launch as well. Perfect Dark and PGR3 (the other games I got) didn't blow me away though.

If I got the same enjoyment from the launch titles of the next gen, I'd be delighted.

Pushtrak

super_furry wrote: »

Microsoft's Blu Ray drive may not play Blu Ray movies.

http://www.thenextxbox.com/2013/01/15/microsoft-may-opt-against-blu-ray-movie-playback-with-xbox-next/

Can you copy and paste the article in the thread? I made the stupid mistake of moving to student accommodation, and there is a net nanny equivalent blocking stuff. That site? On grounds of pornography, apparently.

tuxy

Optical drives should be obsolete by now.
If you need a physical copy of a game there are other options.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Pushtrak wrote: »

Can you copy and paste the article in the thread? I made the stupid mistake of moving to student accommodation, and there is a net nanny equivalent blocking stuff. That site? On grounds of pornography, apparently.

have a look for free web proxies

just dont put any passwords or sensitive information onto a website while you're using it

super_furry

Boston (TheNextXbox) – The successor to the Xbox 360 is right around the corner, as the Major Nelson countdown has the entire gaming world on alert. One thing that is almost a given with the successor to the Xbox 360, for the sake of this article we will call it the Xbox Next, is that it will include a Blu-ray optical drive. This is due to the fact that next-generation games are going to require a lot more space than is currently available on a DVD. This type of optical format has been utilized by Sony throughout the life of the PlayStation 3 and will continue forward to the upcoming PlayStation 4 in all likelihood as well. What many gamers are missing though, is that there is a real chance that Microsoft may opt against allowing Blu-ray movie playback on the Xbox Next.

Rest of article here: http://www.thenextxbox.com/2013/01/15/microsoft-may-opt-against-blu-ray-movie-playback-with-xbox-next/

NTMK

tuxy wrote: »

Optical drives should be obsolete by now.

Internet is still to **** to transfer that amount of data conveniently along with data caps and until the us and most of Europe gets capable internet optical is here to stay

Pushtrak

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

have a look for free web proxies

I've gone to proxy sites and it gets blocked on grounds of "Anonymizer/proxy". I'll not be sticking around in this place after this year, anyway, that's for sure.

Edit: It'll actually be during the summer I move, not too bad.
Edit 2: Thanks, super furry.

Pushtrak

super_furry wrote: »

Microsoft has already set a precedent in the past in terms of not allowing movie playback out of the box with its gaming consoles. When Microsoft launched the original Xbox, gamers were not able to play DVD movies right out of the box. Instead, Microsoft required gamers to purchase a little DVD playback adapter that came with a remote control. This activated the ability that the system already had to play DVD movies. Microsoft received a lot of flack for this move, and did away with the idea with the Xbox 360, allowing DVD movie playback right out of the box.

I had forgotten about that completely despite owning an original Xbox.

Simply stated, Microsoft would much rather you pay for Xbox Live Gold and subscribe to streaming content over Netflix and Hulu than have you throw a Blu-ray movie into your console and watch it from the optical disc format.

If people want to own movies rather than stream them, they'll either get them on DVD or a blu-ray player and watch them that way. I don't really buy this line of reasoning. I see where it is coming from, but in my opinion, is wrong.

There is a double-edged sword here with this potential move from Microsoft. First, Microsoft would be sticking it to Sony, and second, they would be making a move to increase their own revenue.

Microsoft and Sony don't try and stick it to each other. For instance, Sony laptops using Microsoft OS, Microsoft having Sony movies and music available. They compete in terms of the console war, but they do work together in other respects.

This may sound crazy

That's because it is.

(Note, super furry I know you were copying it, so my post it obviously addressing the article itself.)

tuxy

NTMK wrote: »

Internet is still to **** to transfer that amount of data conveniently along with data caps and until the us and most of Europe gets capable internet optical is here to stay

That's why I said there are other options for physical copies. There is no need to have slow moving parts inside modern computing hardware. The price on flash memory per gb is very low right now.

NTMK

tuxy wrote: »

That's why I said there are other options for physical copies. There is no need to have slow moving parts inside modern computing hardware. The price on flash memory per gb is very low right now.

flash still costs more than optical and Publishers right now are doing everything in their power to keep costs down. not to mention potential piracy problems

Varik

tuxy wrote: »

That's why I said there are other options for physical copies. There is no need to have slow moving parts inside modern computing hardware. The price on flash memory per gb is very low right now.

Optical media is still cheaper by far.

dan_ep82

Mike Litoris wrote: »

Microsoft for Forza.

This. I stuck with Sony waiting for the new Gran Turismo and while it is a great game its just not in the same league as Forza. The only other game I'd play on a console is Assasins creed,GTA and boxing which are multi platform.

All my other games are on PC,including every gta for €10 funnily enough

Honestly I'm more excited for Total War Rome II this year. For a while games will still be released on PS3,PS4,360 and 720,so more than likely the new consoles will suffer the same as us pc gamers with low end ports.

COYVB

super_furry wrote: »

Microsoft's Blu Ray drive may not play Blu Ray movies.

http://www.thenextxbox.com/2013/01/15/microsoft-may-opt-against-blu-ray-movie-playback-with-xbox-next/

That's essentially what Nintendo has done with the Wii U