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    #212
    average_runner
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    spikethedog wrote: »

    In your eyes this video promotes 'scum & druggies' to have kids and give those kids no chance?
    Aren't you supposed to be tolerant ones?


    In my eyes and the video itself says the purpose of marriage is to have kids no matter what circumstances.

    Pity they don't worry about the child welfare. Our priest pulled them up on this during a discussion on marriage.


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    #213
    Corkfeen
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Fair enough. However very few people in favour of gay marriage are in favour of polygamy. I am.

    I don't see an actual reason to prevent polygamy as long as its not weighted in favour of one sex.


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    #214
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Corkfeen wrote: »

    I don't see an actual reason to prevent polygamy as long as its not weighted in favour of one sex.

    Yes not Islamic polygamy only.


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    #215
    tara73
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    after all, having had a look on their website and their subjects, for me it's a highly unlikable institution


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    #216
    weldoninhio
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Why is the love of two unrelated gay people worth less than the love of two unrelated straight people?

    Straight people cannnot marry their brother or sister. They cannot marry more than one person. And no-one is advocating it. What they are asking for is equality between gay and straight people.

    So why do you not think gay people are equal?

    Worth less in what way?? Do you think a piece of paper makes your love stronger?? Or worth more?


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    #217
    TeddyTedson
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    I've never seen a more condescending ad. Did Gay Byrne produce it?


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    #218
    1ZRed
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    LivelineDipso wrote: »

    Aren't we all concerned with school bullying as it is.
    So normalise it. Make it alright for two men or two women to have children and teach your own children that it's nothing "odd" or out of the ordinary.


    If you hold it back for the sake of potential bullying by kids then you're not helping the issue of same-sex parenting being seen as like any other parenting arrangement and it will be seen as different and a point to bully otherwise.


    And if bullying is such a concern, then why not tackle that instead? It would seem that that would be the main issue as kids will bully each other over any thing that seems different to them. Teach them that certain things are no big deal and they won't see it as a problem.
    They pick it up from somewhere. No child is born with racist or discriminatory tendencies and leanings.


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    #219
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Is there any complaints at this article on their website?


    A dad is the tenth most popular Christmas present for children

    Author: Admin
    Date: 28th December 2012

    A 'dad' is tenth most popular Christmas list request for children in the UK, according to a new survey.

    In Britain, 40 percent of children are now born outside marriage. In Ireland the figure is 34 percent. Many have no contact with their fathers.

    The poll of 2,000 British parents found most children will put a new baby brother or sister at the top of their Christmas list, The Daily Telegraph reports.

    Second on the list for most children was a real-life reindeer.

    A "pet horse" was the third most popular choice, with a "car" making an entry at number four.

    However, the survey showed the tenth most popular Christmas wish on the list was a "Dad".

    Here, a leading figure in the Saint Vincent de Paul has said that absence of fathers in the lives of children is set to cause “huge problems".

    Brendan Dempsey, the southern regional president of the St Vincent de Paul Society (SVP) said nine out of 10 homes visited by SVP on one housing estate in Cork, were run by single mothers, he told The Examiner.

    The effects on children were far-reaching, he continued. “There is a great need for children to have both parents, but it is not happening, there is a great want in these children,” said Mr Dempsey.

    Mr Dempsey recalled going into a house and a tiny boy asking him: “Will you be my Daddy?”

    “I am often asked ‘are you my Daddy’. That to me says there is a want,” he said.

    A poll carried out in 2008 found that a ban on divorce is what most children would introduce if they ruled the world.

    Marital splits were also named the second-worst thing in the world in the survey of under-10s.

    http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=2582


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    #220
    Links234
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    “I am often asked ‘are you my Daddy’. That to me says there is a want,” he said.

    lucky he wasn't asked "Are you my mummy?" 'cos only the Doctor could save us then!


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    #221
    CommanderC
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Are they only idiots if they don't agree with your opinions?

    For the record I have nothing against two gays getting married and adopting kids but I also think that the mother and father thing is best.

    No, they are idiots because instead of expressing their opinion (which they are fully entitled to do) they are trying to actually force others to do things against their will. In this case they are trying to force people who are in love, to hide who they are and live without equal rights to other citizens of this country.

    Having a differing opinion is fine. But no one is permitted to interfere in someone else's life/business in this manner.

    It's pathetic and disgusting.


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    #222
    krudler
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    Wonder would the Iona institute campaign to have children taken away from divorced or widowed people, sure you need a mummy and daddy for kids to turn out ok


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    #223
    Jimoslimos
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    A dad is the tenth most popular Christmas present for children
    ...
    A "pet horse" was the third most popular choice, with a "car" making an entry at number four.
    ...
    Here, a leading figure in the Saint Vincent de Paul has said that absence of fathers in the lives of children is set to cause “huge problems".
    Not as big a problem as depriving children of a pet horse apparently!
    A poll carried out in 2008 found that a ban on divorce is what most children would introduce if they ruled the world.

    Marital splits were also named the second-worst thing in the world in the survey of under-10s.

    http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=2582

    Iona Institute...Seems legit:pac:


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    #224
    Icyseanfitz
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    **** it thats some more brain cells gone down the toilet, is that ****e actually going on tv? what am i saying of course it is its ireland


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    #225
    Pudsy33
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Is there any complaints at this article on their website?


    I would say any kids who asked for a dad for Christmas were in a single parent family after the break up of a relationship, not fin a loving family with 2 mothers.

    That article isn't promoting what the Iona institute are in the video, almost the opposite. It says “There is a great need for children to have both parents", that doesn't mean biological parents nor does it suggest the gender of the parents.


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    #226
    SimonTemplar
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    The whole premise of this ad is that children require a mother and a father to have a proper childhood. What about children who were raised by a single parent because the other parent died when they were a very young age? Is the ad implying that these children were not raised properly?

    Also, there are plently of psychos, social misfits and addics who were raised by a mother and a father, and there are also plenly of well rounded happy people who were raised in single sex marriages.

    I guessing the local sewage workers are going to have to work overtime to deal with all the bull**** that is flowing freely from the Iona Institute.


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    #227
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    efb wrote: »
    spikethedog wrote: »
    What?
    Am I anti-gay because I would rather my kids were involved in hetrosexual relationships?

    Yes that makes you homophobic. If you preferred your children to have relationships with only those of the same colour that would be racist.

    Luckily my parents are not.
    I have to tentatively agree with spike here. Having a preference doesn't make you homophobic. Actively discriminating against others because of your preferences does however.


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    #228
    DonkeyStyle \o/
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    The discrimination must live on, for the children's sake... :confused:


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    #229
    unseenfootage
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    efb wrote: »
    Yes that makes you homophobic. If you preferred your children to have relationships with only those of the same colour that would be racist.

    Luckily my parents are not.

    How on earth do you equate interacial marriages with homosexual ones?

    There is absolutely no basis for comparison.

    Every person has a right to preserve his lineage.


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    #230
    unseenfootage
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    I am not sure why this issue of racism has crept into the debate.

    Homosexuals are not exactly free from discrimination and bigotry.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marten-weber/gay-racism_b_1295368.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/02/gay-lesbian-islamophobia


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    #231
    Sinfonia
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    Every person has a right to preserve his lineage.

    Why?


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    #232
    Froyo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Froyo


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    The whole premise of this ad is that children require a mother and a father to have a proper childhood. What about children who were raised by a single parent because the other parent died when they were a very young age? Is the ad implying that these children were not raised properly?.

    I don't think this is a very good argument.

    The child will be brought up with the memory of a loving parent that 'left' through no choice of his own as opposed to one who simply abandoned that child.


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    #233
    Nodin
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    ......

    Every person has a right to preserve his lineage.


    ...don't know what ye mean there, tbh.


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    #234
    squod
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...don't know what ye mean there, tbh.

    Maybe his dad was a lesbian, and his father before him!

    No, wait...........


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    #235
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    **** it thats some more brain cells gone down the toilet, is that ****e actually going on tv? what am i saying of course it is its ireland

    It's not on TV.
    Want to withdraw that comment?


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    #236
    Froyo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Froyo


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    Why?

    Because it might be something they want and it's their right to want that. Don't see how this infringes on gay rights...

    A lot of families are proud of their lineage. No big deal really.


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    #237
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    The whole premise of this ad is that children require a mother and a father to have a proper childhood.

    In an ideal world, they do.
    It's not an ideal world.


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    #238
    spikethedog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭spikethedog


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    I have to tentatively agree with spike here. Having a preference doesn't make you homophobic. Actively discriminating against others because of your preferences does however.

    Thank you. That's the point I was making.


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    #239
    brosy
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    It is actually so soul destroying to know that these people still exist in frightening numbers in my own country. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for harbouring such revolting medieval views.

    Absolutely horrific.


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    #240
    Hilly Bill
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    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    The whole premise of this ad is that children require a mother and a father to have a proper childhood. What about children who were raised by a single parent because the other parent died when they were a very young age? Is the ad implying that these children were not raised properly?

    Also, there are plently of psychos, social misfits and addics who were raised by a mother and a father, and there are also plenly of well rounded happy people who were raised in single sex marriages.

    I guessing the local sewage workers are going to have to work overtime to deal with all the bull**** that is flowing freely from the Iona Institute.

    There are plenty of well rounded people raised by a mother and father as well. Why leave that out of your post? Do you know for sure that every child raised by gays have grown up happy and havent turned out as psychos, social misfits and addicts? Maybe those sewage workers should start with your post.

    Pesronally i see nothing wrong in the ad. I cant see it being anti-gay. There is too much being read into it by those that seem to be offended by it.


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    #241
    Madam_X
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    Much as I loathe the Iona Institute, I'm not sure that ad is anti-gay. I think it's definitely a bit kneejerk to view it with absolute horror.
    Just taking the ad at face value, it is anti gay marriage for sure, but it is not anti civil partnership or anti-gay (not saying the I.I. isn't full of rampant homophobes - I'm sure it is - but that ad by itself recognises same-sex partnership, to be fair). It is just expressing the view that marriage should specifically be between a man and woman, because this union is likely to result in children. I don't agree with that - I think marriage is just a word for a union which brings with it familial and legal ties, the same as civil partnership.
    However some people think marriage is more than just a word but a unique institution - some people passionately believe it, including people who are level-headed and fair and not because they think "the gays are icky".


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