Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. [US] ** Spoilers **

Slydice

The Stan Lee memorial at the end still bringing out my feels

Len_007

Trying to figure out where in the MCU timeline season 6 is landing. IGN interview with Whedon says it’s pre Decimation. Yet, there’s ample evidence to suggest that events take place in between Infinity War & Endgame

pah

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place IMO. Probably were not told during their own development about the 5 year jump and being unsure as to when the season would air makes it difficult. Is probably best to treat this as a different timeline although their own season 5 time travel rules are at odds with Endgame I reckon. Anyway, maybe this is the timeline where 2014 Thanos disappeared and never returned. No original snap then. Surely Sarge is a multiverse version of Coulson. Would be a nice tie in.

kerplun k

Len_007 wrote: »

Trying to figure out where in the MCU timeline season 6 is landing. IGN interview with Whedon says it’s pre Decimation. Yet, there’s ample evidence to suggest that events take place in between Infinity War & Endgame

At this stage it’s probably just better to accept that any ties between television and the MCU are loose at best.

Considering the events of infinity war and endgame, the Russo’s basically gave a big “F**k You” to television, and to some extent, future movies.

Any show that wants to keep consistently at this point would probably have to look at changing its format.

In saying that, what I wouldn’t give for lindelof and cuse to reunite and do a spiritual successor to lost based on the fallout from infinity war and conclusion of endgame,

FreudianSlippers

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Daisy and Simmons hubba hubba

Somehow despite their lives getting more difficult year-by-year they are looking better every year

pixelburp

kerplun k wrote: »

At this stage it’s probably just better to accept that any ties between television and the MCU are loose at best.

Considering the events of infinity war and endgame, the Russo’s basically gave a big “F**k You” to television, and to some extent, future movies.

Any show that wants to keep consistently at this point would probably have to look at changing its format.

In saying that, what I wouldn’t give for lindelof and cuse to reunite and do a spiritual successor to lost based on the fallout from infinity war and conclusion of endgame,

Indeed: and given the TV series have tended towards a more 'ground level' viewpoint, it's probably just as well the Netflix shows were canned, because clearly those were the perspectives that would feel the fallout from EndGame's "cake and eat it" ending. Well, to be fair, those shows pretty much ignored the MCU anyway, but 6 billion people popping back into existence, within dilapidated versions of cities, is hard to skirt around.

As for Agents of SHIELD, I long ago reconciled the reality that despite ostensibly being the 'closest' to the MCU, including occasional cameos from Nick Fury, Sif or Agent Hill, the show simply doesn't exist in the continuity from the films. I simply presumed at most we might get a passing remark (ala that spectacularly lame "Thanos is attacking!" lip service last year), then the episode would move on. I'm saying that as someone who hasn't yet caught the first episode mind you ...

Len_007

kerplun k wrote: »

Considering the events of infinity war and endgame, the Russo’s basically gave a big “F**k You” to television, and to some extent, future movies.


In saying that, what I wouldn’t give for lindelof and cuse to reunite and do a spiritual successor to lost based on the fallout from infinity war and conclusion of endgame,

Well, Jarvis from Agent Carter was put in Endgame, serving as the only character from the TV shows to see a promotion into the films. So credit to the Russo’s for that. But that was more down to the writers being the ex show runners of said show. And also, Endgame did more or less make Season’s 1 & 2 of Agent Carter illegitimate by giving Cap the ending he got.

And that was some left turn with your LOST reference, I’d totally watch that show!

McLoughlin

Len_007 wrote: »

Trying to figure out where in the MCU timeline season 6 is landing. IGN interview with Whedon says it’s pre Decimation. Yet, there’s ample evidence to suggest that events take place in between Infinity War & Endgame

Both are more or less separate now the "its all connected" was a good gimmick at the time but when the Perlmutter Feige split happened it was over. Perlmutter was stuck in the past a bit especially with his belief that Black Widow merchandise or film wouldn't sell and Inhumans would be a great film.

Marvel TV and film has been better since the split in 2015/2016

kerplun k

Len_007 wrote: »

Well, Jarvis from Agent Carter was put in Endgame, serving as the only character from the TV shows to see a promotion into the films. So credit to the Russo’s for that. But that was more down to the writers being the ex show runners of said show. And also, Endgame did more or less make Season’s 1 & 2 of Agent Carter illegitimate by giving Cap the ending he got.

And that was some left turn with your LOST reference, I’d totally watch that show!

I think Feige was an EP on Agent Carter which makes a big difference.

Slydice

Now that was fun! Felt like real Saturday Morning TV

When they mentioned InHumans I was like

:eek: cos I first though

about the InHumans TV show but then I remembered the InHumans arc in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Really think they are handling the Fitz arc well.

Then when May

had her fight, the way it all started reminded me of the start of the James Bond train scene.. well except that they agreed not to kill her

err.. violence warning for parents (just in case?)

Agent Coulson

Very interesting now to see where they are going with the Coulson story after last night's episode.

Len_007

The Good:

Direction, Kevin Tancharoen had some nice pan's and blocking, even though the gun over the shoulder was used twice. Tension, it was always building to the May/Coulson meet which we new was coming. Clark Gregg is great as Coulson 3.0.

The Gripes:

Are we really getting another story of Fitzsimons trying to get back together again? In fact, this show excels in keeping people we want together apart from each other. Coulson/Rosalind Price, Hunter/Bobbi, Daisy/Lincoln, Mac/Yo Yo, Coulson/May, don't be afraid to show us a stable relationship Whedon's!

pah

Len_007 wrote: »

Well, Jarvis from Agent Carter was put in Endgame, serving as the only character from the TV shows to see a promotion into the films. So credit to the Russo’s for that. But that was more down to the writers being the ex show runners of said show. And also, Endgame did more or less make Season’s 1 & 2 of Agent Carter illegitimate by giving Cap the ending he got.

And that was some left turn with your LOST reference, I’d totally watch that show!

Optimus Prime

Agent Sitwell or whatever his name is was also in SHIELD. And some of the world council members.

Though they where all in the movies first. I don’t think it makes a difference which way around it was though i still think the tv shows and movies are the same timeline/verse, with fury having appeared and the tie ins to Thor 2 etc.

pixelburp

A week behind as is often the case, but a strong opening episode; good table setting and with enough little character beats to give all characters, old and new, a moment. Kinda delighted Piper and Davis are front-liners, they have earned their place. Not stoked about seeing that drab Lighthouse set, and I hope, hope, hope season 6 doesn't find excuses to keep everything restricted there (again).

CramCycle

I thought episode 1 was weak, possibly the weakest in years but episode 2 seemed to get back on track very quickly. Agree with the base of operations in the lighthouse, the command deck / bridge / whatever just doesn't look right with the angles they are shooting it from.

Foxtrol

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Very interesting now to see where they are going with the Coulson story after last night's episode.

Multiverse or at least teasing it?

flazio

Optimus Prime wrote: »

Agent Sitwell or whatever his name is was also in SHIELD. And some of the world council members.

Though they where all in the movies first. I don’t think it makes a difference which way around it was though i still think the tv shows and movies are the same timeline/verse, with fury having appeared and the tie ins to Thor 2 etc.

I do think it's significant that Mr. Jarvis is the first character to go from the TV to the big screen rather then the other way around.
I think it might have been nice if they had small background nods in the final Endgame battle like Tandy's light daggers flying (Cloak & Dagger) or Danny's fists glowing (Iron Fist) or Karolina doing her rainbow thing (Runaways), heck I'd even let Black Bolt talk to Thanos. You wouldn't even have to bring in the actors, just CG characters using their powers. But hey ho that's by the by now.

pixelburp

Foxtrol wrote: »

Multiverse or at least teasing it?

Has to be: caught the second episode and hard to imagine what else it can be. They may not be able to directly link with the MCU anymore but one imagines they can at least crib their 'themes'; IIRC SHIELD did that in season 4, introducing the supernatural / magical of Ghost Rider around the time Dr. Strange came out in the cinemas.

Good second episode anyway, and nice to have the action-espionage version of the show back; of the many things lacking in Season 5, it was the simple loop of chases, robberies, heists, shootouts etc. that was missing for me. The 'Portal' homage/rip-off was fun too.

Optimus Prime

Have you watched the latest Spider-Man homecoming trailer ? Without giving away spoilers but it seems to tie in.

Agent Coulson

Tripping balls in outer space

Mr E

The drug stuff was a bit tiresome, but it was a great episode overall. I love Enoch's deadpan delivery.

gazzer

Mr E wrote: »

The drug stuff was a bit tiresome, but it was a great episode overall. I love Enoch's deadpan delivery.

He is great. Poor Jemma and Fitz. Will they ever get a happy ever after.? The ep had a real 80's/Thor Ragnarok feel to it.

Slydice

Fear and Loathing in Outer Space!

That was hilarious!

From the very start I was like.. huh.. is this Tron? but then elements of Agents of Shield and then some Blade Runner feels.

Breaking Bones?!? WTF.. then the Gambling and Drugs and what like a kinda half Deer Hunter Russian Roulette blackjack game?

I gotta google this episode, who did this?!!?

Slydice

*googles*
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8416904/

Aha look! I guess it, it's called "Fear and Loathing on the Planet of Kitson"

Nothing jumps out about the director Jesse Bochco so I guess he just made what he was given:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1061992/

I don't see anything under the two credited writers either so I guess they just took Fear and Loathing as the inspiration:
Brent Fletcher - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281957/
Craig Titley - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0864471/

Can't find Brents Twitter but! the pinned tweet on Craigs twitter
https://twitter.com/craigtitley2

https://twitter.com/shes_biochem/status/1121500315390550018

FreudianSlippers

gazzer wrote: »

He is great. Poor Jemma and Fitz. Will they ever get a happy ever after.? The ep had a real 80's/Thor Ragnarok feel to it.

I'm really enjoying the dark-80s theme and music this season, I hope they keep it going.

redfacedbear

Slydice wrote: »

*googles*
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8416904/ Nothing jumps out about the director Jesse Bochco

He's a son of Steven Bochco who gave us Hill St Blues, NYPD Blue, LA Law. So he may have picked up a thing or two along the way.

Slydice

6.4
RIP Deke when Daisy gets back!

That episode was packed!
Oh I started feeling a bit frustrated by Yo-Yo just standing there looking and not using her powers. Then when she did, it was too late. Likely be a defining learning moment for her character.

On the full ARC, is it now that this is a different kind of secret invasion than the one I'd been hearing about for phase 4 of the movies?
Also it looks like (not) Coulson and his team might be fighting the invaders and just don't know who to trust or not. Also looks like they lost the fight on the last planet. Multi-planets.. could they be tieing in the Captain Marvels story or just maybe looking ahead to meeting Daisy Fitz and Simmons?

Mays fight was cool. I thought Snowflake was trying to lure her into a trap capsizing the floor.. but what happened was different.. kinda

The start-up idea was funny and I started wondering: is it really cheap to make a start-up office or was that the studios where AOS is made. I dunno.. from the wiki, it seems it's made in Culver in California which homes the Disney Digital Network formerly (maker studios inc) which I found on the map but the area/buildings look different than the episode in streetview:
https://goo.gl/maps/Ki2rHnwAteiKoVdy9

How cool.. Maurissa Tancharoen, who played Sequoia, was one of the writers of Dollhouse!
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1315990/

icdg

And of Agents of Shield itself too. In fact she’s a co-creator of Agents of Shield along with husband Jed Whedon and brother in law Joss Whedon. Brother Kevin has also directed episodes.

Slydice

icdg wrote: »

And of Agents of Shield itself too. In fact she’s a co-creator of Agents of Shield along with husband Jed Whedon and brother in law Joss Whedon. Brother Kevin has also directed episodes.

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