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Feisar

Rows Grower wrote: »

My eldest brother took my Dad up to the Galway Weir to catch his first salmon about 30 years ago, this was a time when you had to book a day or half day months if not a year in advance but because the brother was a regular he was allowed "share" his rod with my Dad.

My Dad was waiting for the brother to catch one so he could have his turn when along comes Jack and starts fishing next to where he was sitting. After a short while Jack hooks a fine fish and when he's nearly ready to bring him in the old fella grabs the net and says "You're grand out Jack, I'll net him for ya". He draws him in and the the old man duly scoops him out first time, Jack knocks the specimen on the head and hugs the old man delighted with himself.

"Fair play, that's not the first time you've done that!" say's Jack.
"Actually it is" say's me Dad to him happy out with himself.
Jack knew instantly he was telling the truth and nearly got a banger between the shock and the rage, it took him a few minutes to cool down. It probably didn't help that a bomb wouldn't excite my Dad.

They had a great craic about it afterwards in Jimmy Smalls office with all the other lads over a couple of drops.

Not being a rod man could you explain to me what the problem was?:o

Rows Grower

Feisar wrote: »

Not being a rod man could you explain to me what the problem was?:o

There's an unwritten rule in salmon angling that if someone near you hooks a fish you do all you can to help that person land the fish.

This usually means anyone else nearby will stop fishing and reel in their lines in case the fish makes a run and gets tangled in them.

Being asked to net a decent fresh fish especially when other anglers are around is often considered a poisoned chalice and many will make an excuse and proclaim lack of experience compared to others lest anything should go wrong, which it often does at the last minute.

To calmly step forward and grab the landing net on the famous Galway Weir before the legendary Ghillie Jimmy Small (who was well aware what was happening) and amidst all the seasoned anglers who had travelled far and wide to be there and paid big bucks for the privilege, would give have given any lucky angler a sense of supreme confidence in the abilities of the volunteer.

Feisar

Thanks for the low down, I'll know to steer well clear! Also, great story about your Father and Jack, you've a way with the quill as my own Father would would say.

Grizzly 45

Thanks for that Rows,learned somthing here today,even after 40 years of fishing in Ireland.

J.R.

270WIN wrote: »

I agree that we need guidance from the Gardai and our organisations on how to deal with these types

NARGC advice

Cass

Was reading a thread and people were arguing over banning Hare coursing as proposed by some so called animal rights group.

Same usual crap of insult, name calling, back and forth, etc. but one piece caught my eye and if i'm reading it right then my laughter is warranted. The bit started with someone saying without hare coursing and breeding programs there will be no Hares then "Karen" comes along with this gem.

meathstevie

And then you wonder why you can’t have a reasoned discussion with some people.

Cass

I know, right.

These people will do one of two things when presented with facts and logic. Scream and/or argue from a moral point of view that has not got much of a rebuttal but will leave you looking like a "cold" person.

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

I know, right.

These people will do one of two things when presented with facts and logic. Scream and/or argue from a moral point of view that has not got much of a rebuttal but will leave you looking like a "cold" person.

Like its" for the children" arguement.The tactical nuke of arguement breakers.So the best response to those two nukes is this "No I dont care about the children,and quite frankly neither do you in this case,as it is a argument killer statement" and
" Facts trump emotions everytime!My facts dont care for your emotions!"
Jordon Peterson and Ben Sharpio are your friends in theae cases.😉

Grizzly 45

Wonder is this Karen a relation to the one who said there is no need to hunt or slaughter animals,as you can get meat in the supermarket at anytime?

Grizzly 45

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And as usual the Antis are celebrating this death on FB.
A few choice comments form their Hunt Sabatouer Ireland page.

Rita Harashima
brilliant they ask for all they get these poor animals can be gelded like horses no need to cull and torture for their cheap thrills

Darren Furlong
Karma hunt scum

Hazel Alder Lane
Karma at its best, cruel hunting scum of the eart [SIC] College student BTW

Daniel Vulpes
A cowardly hunter who hunts harmless herbivores from a distance with a rifle final proved without a weapon face to face he loses that fight


Lorraine Cardwell
Poor creature most likely being kept captive for the thrill of some murdering shower of baskets that ride to hounds.

Kit DeVille
Hope it wasn’t a sab. Couldn’t care less if it’s hunt scum.

Charming bunch of humans aren't they? These are the same kind of nutters who scream for gun control.yet wish rape on women and horrible deaths on hunters and their families because we hunt.I reckon they want gun control because they realise themselves they are sick in the head and not responsible for their actions,so therefore they assume everyone is in the same mindset as them, so must be prevented from owning firearms.

no_4

It never ceases to amaze that the antis can spew such venom, violent rhetoric and raw hatred in public (sometimes using their real names) and yet try to portray themselves as peace loving , law abiding conservationists,,,,,
RIP to that young man and condolences to his family and family and Friend s

tudderone

no_4 wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze that the antis can spew such venom, violent rhetoric and raw hatred in public (sometimes using their real names) and yet try to portray themselves as peace loving , law abiding conservationists,,,,,
RIP to that young man and condolences to his family and family and Friend s

Look at what a lot of the far left/socialists/communists/antifa spew forth, exactly the same. Basically anyone that disagrees with them is a facist/bigot and therefore must die a horrible death, because they know everything, are right about everything and are so infallible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkLZo6I1uG8

meathstevie

no_4 wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze that the antis can spew such venom, violent rhetoric and raw hatred in public (sometimes using their real names) and yet try to portray themselves as peace loving , law abiding conservationists,,,,,
RIP to that young man and condolences to his family and family and Friend s

Extremists on any divide running through society are often if not always despicable and if given enough leeway dangerous people.

slipperyox

We know when the right go to far..( racism/ supremacy). And I stop there.

But the left don't know when they've gone too far, there's no smoking gun so to speak.
JP

meathstevie

slipperyox wrote: »

We know when the right go to far..( racism/ supremacy). And I stop there.

But the left don't know when they've gone too far, there's no smoking gun so to speak.
JP

Plenty of smoking guns for the left as well; the killing fields of Cambodia, the mass graves of the Holodomor, the woods around Katyn....the list is pretty impressive. What worries me is that the two headed monster of communism and fascism has gained quite a bit of traction again all over Europe. We just seem to be doomed to never learn.....

meathstevie

meathstevie wrote: »

Plenty of smoking guns for the left as well; the killing fields of Cambodia, the mass graves of the Holodomor, the woods around Karen,....the list is pretty impressive. What worries me is that the two headed monster of communism and fascism has gained quite a bit of traction again all over Europe. We just seem to be doomed to never learn.....

That's true. 100% agree. I think the difference between the far right racists and the far left tyrants is the racists think Hitler was onto something, they usually end up admitting to that much and are easy to spot. Whereas the communists argue that there has been no "real" communist countries. They were all doing it wrong. Despite the similarities in the tactics used they refuse to learn from history. They even use double speak like calling themselves "liberal" when they are anything but.

tudderone

The Rifleman wrote: »

That's true. 100% agree. I think the difference between the far right racists and the far left tyrants is the racists think Hitler was onto something, they usually end up admitting to that much and are easy to spot. Whereas the communists argue that there has been no "real" communist countries. They were all doing it wrong. Despite the similarities in the tactics used they refuse to learn from history. They even use double speak like calling themselves "liberal" when they are anything but.

Ah that old chestnut, the "we know better and will get it right next time" line ? That idiot George Blake the spy, who died the other day, refused to accept that his actions caused any deaths. He caused scores of deaths, people killed by the communists in very unpleasant ways.

Grizzly 45

Real free market Capitalism hasnt ever happened either using the Leftist logic and argument parameters.

Eddie B

Just happened upon this today.

https://huntsabsireland.com/tip-offs

Seems to be a newish site, and can't believe they are openly asking people to send in people's names, photos, vehicle registrations etc. Surely that must be illegal? I'd expect this from a Facebook page, but not on the Internet, for all to see.

Cass

If you can see something from a public place then you can photograph it. If people pass on information they see from a public place this is also fine, afaik.

And frankly it should remain legal. To ask for limitations on such behaviour would trickle down from hunting to all aspects and it would allow for much more overreach by Government already intent on making filming Gardai and other officials while in public not to mention stifle free speech with their atrocious "hate speech" bill.

It's when those people trespass, assault and harass those out hunting is when the law is broken. If anything happens your vehicle you'd need proof so might be worthwhile having a dash cam or even cheap trail cam and setting them up to cover your vehicle while away from it .

Non Playable Character

It's a GDPR violation. You cannot hold identifiable information on someone without their consent.

Cass

Never thought of that. It's a stretch that this group would have access to DMV records but if it can be used indirectly to identify you then yes, it would be a GDPR issue.

Thanks for the correction and information.

Grizzly 45

Huntsabs Ireland, AKA Munster huntsabs,Connaught Huntsabs,Lenstir Huntsabs, .All the same bunch of soap dodgers and crusties on FB, who occasionally, when their crappy Landrover Discovery works,go out and make a nuisance of themselves around this time of year.

You can have lots of fun with this tip-off line and could send them into all sorts of interesting situations and places. I'll leave that open to your own imagination.

The Editor of Countrysquire rang the Huntsab UK hotline with a tip-off on a well-known animal abuser,by the name of Chris Packham...It's in the link and a good chuckle. https://countrysquire.co.uk/2022/11/24/doing-ones-civic-duty/

They were literally "shot down " by the Irish Aviation Authority for flying an unlicensed UAV over private property too. So yes GPDR is a thing. Esp if they are trespassing on private property filming and harassing a hunt or shoot.

If anything happens to your vehicle you'd need proof so might be worthwhile having a dash cam or even a cheap trail cam and setting them up to cover your vehicle while away from it .

None of the following is legal advice,its from my experience of dealing with surveillance work and the implementation of Data and privacy laws in Ireland.

Dashcam Yes, Trail cam No! Trail cams are generally considered a type of non-permanent installed CCTV, not intended for watching or surveilling people. If you are using it on your own property, you can set them up as you see fit.PROVIDED you are not covering a public road, neighbour's property,or violating someone's private space on your property etc.EG if you are covering your driveway entrance, the camera must be facing inwards to your property. Using a TC like this would be problematic unless you are parked on land or roads that are private and you have the owner's permission to set such up.

Can't really do such on a public road or area. Then there is a problem of how this info is transmitted or stored if it is going to be used as evidence of a crime.This means you need a non-transmitting direct to SD card-only cam...It gets messy.

Dashcams OTOH are there to record an accident or incident to or from your car. They don't retain the info over a certain time on their memories and are not intended for static surveillance of people or objects. IOW catching a couple of HS scum taking a baseball bat to your car from the inside is legal. Setting up a TC in the public parking lot to do so isn't.

Grizzly 45

Just had a look at this Huntsab website,and their little propaganda piece and delusion of getting the case dismissed against them for their messing about with the Scarteen Hunt in Limerick

https://huntsabsireland.com/news/victory-for-irish-hunt-saboteurs-as-we-win-landmark-case-vs-the-state

. Their solicitor Cahir O Higgins,😂

https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/leading-lawyer-cahir-ohiggins-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-fellow-solicitor-in-dublin/41479102.html

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967075#Comment_119967075

Don't want to derail the thread and I'll admit I'm not fully "read up" on all the laws pertaining to such recordings but recordings and photographs in a public place, where there is no expectation of privacy is legal.

Trail camera take time lapse pictures or record only when movement is detected and as you said are not permanent so how does any of that make using one illegal.

Double Barrel

"soap dodgers and crusties"

😂🤩😎

Grizzly 45

Don't want to derail the thread and I'll admit I'm not fully "read up" on all the laws pertaining to such recordings but recordings and photographs in a public place, where there is no expectation of privacy is legal.

100% correct. Its also context to where does it become harassment and intimidation and "in the public interest" stops. IOW Yes,the press or "citizen journalists" [IE any gobdaw with a Cam phone these days] can follow you along the street filming you.They CANNOT follow you onto private property!

So our hunt-sabbing friends can follow a hunt along a public road and make a nuisance of themselves and be in your face there. The moment the hunt or shooting party is on private land[Which is 99%of the countryside that is hunted or shot over].Thats where their "rights" come to a screeching halt!If they follow you it becomes tresspass and they can be told to remove themselves from private property.

As is the no expectation of privacy on private property from the public road if it can be seen. IE your better half decides to sunbathe topless on the front lawn in full public view,and knows there is a public road there, she cant complain of being ogled by all and sundry .Different if you have a 14-foot tall hedge and your neighbour/press/etc has a cherry picker or flies in a drone to get a perv. So in our case they can still film any activity if it is viewable from a public road or place.

So it's not a black&white clear cut issue in these cases. Is filming legal activity harassment in a public place? Depends on the situation and circumstances and for what purpose? A news crew filming for a report has more legitimacy than some foul mouthed black dressed and balaclaved thug being in your personal space with a cam phone.

Trail camera take time-lapse pictures or record only when movement is detected and as you said are not permanent so how does any of that make using one illegal.

INTENT And control

The intent is you set the TC up to deliberately catch a crime occurring in a public place. See how messy this can get already? Be just as easy to park your cars to cover each other with the dashcams and absently mindedly leave them running continuously if they have that feature.

You have no control of when the TC triggers over a public carpark or road so if you catch an innocent party, you have violated their privacy under the GDPR.[This is why the IAA has gone so hot on drones being licensed up to Xmas BTW] Its only your say-so to prove you deleted any such pics that were of no interest that might compromise some innocent party.

As said b4 .NOT LEGAL ADVICE here.Best to check with privacy advocate groups, the DPA offices etc.

J.R.

This message was posted on NARGC Facebook page

On Sunday The 8th January 2023 a vermin shoot organised in Kilkenny was targeted by “Hunt Sabs” the shoot was is one that has taken place with the permission of Coilte for the last 48 years and from discussion with the club is a casebook example on how an event like this should be undertaken.

Chatting to the lads in Jenkinstown GC and Kilkenny RGC it was a bit of a nuisance but manageable. The members behaved exemplary when they were harassed by the “Sabs”.

On Friday 13th January both Canice and Shane were on the local radio. The link is shared below and is a very good example of local clubs dealing with a local issue on local radio. So sit back and forward to about 30 minutes and listen to the debate on the radio. Well done lads.

The rise of the Hunt Saboteurs in the UK over the years has becomingly more sinister with recent physical attacks on people legitimately out hunting a growing concern. It is now common to see headlines such as below:

5th September 2022: Five hunt saboteurs sentenced following threatening behaviour towards victims including 15-year-old girl.

The so called “Sabs” purposely go out to disrupt, damage and threaten. Ideally they want to elicit a reaction/response and are ready to go to court to and will assault, lie, and fabricate evidence to get their way. The fact that they refuse to show their faces, wear black and balaclavas or masks is purely an attempt to intimidate and harass. The fact they are running workshops on disrupting hunts and teaching people how to trespass is probably against the law and so when you put 2 and 2 together these people are nasty pieces of work that are out to cause havoc by any means.

As is common with animal rights extremists in every country, they don’t care about managing wildlife populations, They don’t have a clue about conservation. Remember these are the type of Clowns that released Mink from fur farms into the Irish Countryside back in the 1980s, the damage is still be managed by gun clubs across the country.

You will have to scroll to 29:25 to hear the start of the interview with gun club members

https://soundcloud.com/user-76154967/fri-kilkenny-today-13th-january-2023-podcast?ref=whatsapp-image&p=a&c=0&si=a5de8c39609e4cec9efb06be535afdd8&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=message&utm_campaign=social_sharing&fbclid=IwAR2LAg_FoBLliGFI7XXrqVm7N--OcuWskSsrG_hJrXCqu-sYLG_q_noN0KI

Eddie B

Lads i rember a discusdion on here a few years ago, about fox hunting, and sabs. A few lads said at the time that they'd target other forms of fieldsports next.

Well its now happening.