ICABS Watch [READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING]

yubabill1

Lots of antis commenting on what appears to be a case of animal cruelty. They lost no time whatsoever associating hunting with this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/probe-into-horrific-fox-killing-29144627.html

as a law-abiding hunter, I don't like having my good name assaulted by being associated with "psychopaths", "sick behaviour" and John Fitzgerald's direct link between hunters and this story.

Another guy says people are illegally hunting stags (no specifics).

Are hunters entitled to their good name, unless they break the law?

Grizzly 45

Not Irish related,but the tactics are somwhat simmilar to a few incidents here.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-2298351/Hound-beaten-death-left-drive-hunt-master-attack-animal-rights-activists.html

yubabill1

One for the future- been reading articles by this lady. Already an ARAN supporter
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/lay-of-the-land-in-praise-of-our-brother-and-sister-creatures-29150332.html

Sparks

Bernie Wright (ICABS) in thejournal.ie comments section:

We pose the question-just how many depraved humans are walking the streets free from prosecution having mutilated, tortured and killed defenceless animals.
The RED FOX seems to be the latest main target as we hear sick thugs tortured and hanged yet another young fox from a tree directly opposite a busy bus stop in Cork.
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Fox hunters ... will blood hounds on young fox cubs and dig out foxes for fun as killing wildlife is all they can understand
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It is our moral duty to protect the weak from sociopaths and depraved individuals. Do you think animals care if those hurting them are doing so with a licence from the Department of Agriculture or not.
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homerhop

I see roger yeats got some air time on south east radio last monday

http://animalrightsireland.blogspot.ie/2013/03/vegan-ireland-on-south-east-radio-mar.html


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Sparks

Several comments from John Fitzgerald on this breakingnews.ie story regarding the Irish Wildlife Trust and the Animal Welfare Bill:

Hare coursing is a sport only in the sense that cockfighting was once deemed a sport with its own "regulations". It is banned in most of the jurisdictions that once allowed it, including Britain and Northern Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and most of Europe. Despite muzzling, hares get mauled, tossed about, pinned down by the dogs etc. Reports filed by Parks and Wildlife Service rangers bear this out, as does video footage of the events. Claims that coursing is good for the overall hare population, that hares are nicely fed PRIOR to baiting etc, ignore the animal welfare objection to the activity.

Animal cruelty remains just that despite attempts to clothe it with the "conservation" cloak of respectability. Recently the The Gathering confirmed that it does not condone bloodsports. Failte Ireland is equally opposed to the
http://www.dailymotion.com/vid... cruel practises, and with good reason. This is hare coursing:

It is not "defamatory" to compare one bloodsport with another, even if one happens to be illegal and the other prohibited.
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Again, all that nonsense about the "benefits" of hare coursing. The truth blows away all such hollow and feeble arguments: The death cry of the hare brings joy to some "sportspeople" and sorrow to others.

I have a knowledge of defamation law which is why I know what you say is nonsense. It is perfectly in order to compare one form of animal cruelty with another, regardless of the legal status of either form or practise

To wrongly accuse a person or named organisation of something is another matter. I have not done that. The hare species can well do without animal baiters who believe that terrorising and tormenting them for kicks is "sport". Hares get along quite nicely in counties that have no coursing clubs.

Dog fighting and hare coursing belong in the same Hall of Shame that one day will play host to additional bloodsports. So far, there's...let's see...bear baiting, stag hunting, badger baiting, dog fighting, otter hunting, cock fighting. The addition of hare coursing to that terrible place of shame...the dustbin of history... will represent progress and bring Ireland into line with the many nations that have already banned it.

No amount of alleged "conservation work" can justify the proven and well documented cruelty of hare coursing. It's an animal welfare issue, not a conservation one.

Sparks

From ICABS on twitter:

Amendment to ban hare coursing defeated - 13 in favour, 102 against. #Shame on TDs who voted against ban on cruelty to hares #AHWB

From the ICABS website:

It's "not appropriate" to outlaw cruelty: Simon Coveney
09 November 2012

Agriculture Minister Simon Coveney has said it's "not appropriate" to outlaw some of Ireland's worst acts of cruelty to animals. The Fine Gael Minister made the comment during a Dail speech on the Animal Health and Welfare Bill. Please join us in urging Coveney to reconsider his shameful stance.

Speaking in the Seanad on September 20th, Minister Coveney stated: "It is not appropriate to simply outlaw hare coursing and hunting when they are pursued according to the codes of conduct drawn up by clubs. Considerable numbers of people are passionate about these pursuits and my job is to ensure that standards are met rather than simply outlawing practices."

The Minister has been reminded that the codes of conduct referred to do nothing to eliminate the cruelty.

From ICABS on twitter:

Mattie McGrath TD defends cruel hare coursing and hunting during Animal Welfare Bill #ahwb #SHAME @mattiemcgrathtd

From John Fitzgerald on twitter:

Animal cruelty as "sport" debate. Anyone can leave a comment...

http://www.thejournal.ie/animal-welfare-bill-845094-Mar2013/ &#8230;

Sent on to:
@JulieStaffysi
@AndreasRescue
@VeganMovement12
@AngieVegana12
@plsbekind
@_Animal_Lovers_
@TreeHugger
@CjMalton
@GlosABS
@charliemoores
@LeagueACS
@LeagueJoe
@veggiegirl2011
@VeganUp

And also by John Fitzgerald on twitter:

Journal.ie article on bloodsports debate...Comments can be left by anyone:

http://www.thejournal.ie/animal-welfare-bill-845094-Mar2013/ &#8230;

Sent on to:
@AnimalAbusers
@Animal_Place
@HuntSabs
@HoundsOff
@action4animals

Hunterbiker

Found via the ICABS Twitter feed

http://www.change.org/petitions/adare-heritage-centre-stop-promoting-hunting

Sparks

From the ICABS twitter feed:

ICABS representatives and other animal campaigners featured on RTE's Drivetime show. Listen at http://youtu.be/ieJ66oTQX-E;

Sparks

From John Fitzgerald's twitter feed:

Clare Daly TD versus Brian Munn (bloodsports debate) Worth listening to!
http://www.newstalk.ie/search.php?search_term=Clare+Daly&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&#160;

Sparks

ICABS post RTE footage covering protest on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKVqzzCp9Zg

fathersymes

Madam – As a regular reader of the Sunday Independent I would like to commend Fiona O'Connell for her continual support of animals. She is sadly one of very few in the media who champions the cause of the creatures with whom we share this planet...

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/fiona-is-in-good-company-29165193.html

The same Journalist Fiona O'Connell is praised on banbloodsports facebook and responds "thank you so much".

fathersymes

From John Tierney

Rural crime, both operating under legal and illegal cover, is endemic in Ireland. Criminals know that rural Ireland is devoid of immediate policing cover and that the chances of meeting a garda are slim.

This is especially so late at night, when unarmed gardaí prefer not to be within the vicinity of potentially armed individuals.


http://www.southernstar.ie/Comment/Letters/Radical-idea-for-rural-policing-11032013.htm

Sparks

From the Irish Examiner:

Legislation fails to protect fox and hare
How sickening to see the Oireachtas pass a piece of legislation that the Government pledged would update and modernise protection of animals in Ireland but that specifically exempts two of the most horrific blood sports from prohibition.
Under the Bill, hare coursing and fox hunting will be allowed to continue, despite clear and overwhelming evidence of the extreme and unnecessary cruelty involved in both practices.
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I accept that any debate on animal welfare legislation would be eclipsed by the tumultuous political and economic crises convulsing Ireland and the rest of Europe. But that is no reason to ignore or downplay the scandal of organised animal cruelty posing as “sport”.

A law that the government boasted would radically overhaul our animal welfare standards will exclude two perverse forms of recreation that belong in the Dark Ages and were, even then, opposed by courageous men and women of conscience.
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Rosahane

Roger Yeats promoting veganism on Politics.ie.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/events/208886-veganism-new-black-growth-vegan-movement-ireland-3.html

Sparks

John Fitzgerald on the journal:

It is not only animal welfare groups that claim hares are subjected to unnecessary terror, suffering, and injury in coursing. Each coursing season, wildlife rangers from the National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) attend a number of hare coursing events in a monitoring capacity. They record exactly what they see, accurately and objectively. The reports they file are in no way influenced by animal protection campaign groups. The evidence arising from their reports are therefore all the more significant and cannot simply be brushed aside or ignored on the basis that they are motivated by any innate hostility to hare coursing.
Following are extracts from the NPWS ranger reports for the 2011/12 hare coursing season: (the complete reports are available under FOI from the NPWS and have already been supplied to the Irish Council Against Blood Sports):
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aaakev

Roger yeats was just on spin1038, they are discussing vegans. He said one of the main things about being vegan is living a non violent life!

Grizzly 45

Sir, – The legacy of Margaret Thatcher will be hotly contested; and I was never a fan of hers. But I have always admired her courage and human decency in crossing the floor of the House of Commons to vote, on two occasions (in 1969 and 1975) for Labour Bills proposing a ban on live hare coursing.

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/margaret-thatcher-s-legacy-1.1353083

Grizzly 45

28 APRIL 2013 Irish independant letters.

Madam – I see that a Dutch company is seeking volunteers "from all the nations" for a planned trip to Mars. It envisages the planet being colonised and populated in the not too distant future.

Sparks

From the ICABS website:

Wax Museum withdraws foxhunt discount "with immediate effect"
The National Wax Museum has announced that a foxhunting-related discount offer has been "withdrawn with immediate effect". Following complaints from ICABS and members of the public, the museum apologised and said that it is not a supporter of bloodsports.

The offer appears in a wax museum advert in the Westmeath Foxhounds 2013 calendar. The ad states: "Mention the Westmeath Foxhounds and get 10 per cent off the ticket price". As part of our appeal to the museum, we highlighted the horrendous suffering and death caused to foxes during hunts and the fact that a majority of people are opposed to the cruel activity.

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yubabill1

Another load of bull from J Fitzgerald Indo 9/5/13

As a campaigner against blood sports, I am delighted to hear that Sonora has become the first Mexican state to ban bull fighting. This is a cowardly practice that involves the torture of an animal for the benefit of people who enjoy watching its slow and agonised death.

Our own Government should take note of this development and also of the fact that the ban was imposed amid frenzied claims that it was "a grand tradition", that local economies depend on it and that the bulls were well looked after prior to the fights.

If these claims sound familiar it is because the same hollow excuses have been offered in defence of hare coursing in Ireland. Apologists say it should be left alone as it is a part of our culture, that people in certain counties would have nothing much else to do without it, that it brings money into some rural areas.

It's about time the politicians here found the same courage the Sonoran legislators have shown. The arguments in favour of hare coursing are pure bull, while every humane instinct cries out for its abolition.

John Fitzgerald

Callan, Co Kilkenny

Irish Independent

Grizzly 45

From the ICABS website latest news page

FBD Insurance is being urged to stop providing coverage to those involved in some of Ireland's worst acts of cruelty to animals. An IFA Countryside/FBD Insurance package is providing cover to foxhunters, hare coursers and terriermen who are responsible for horrendous suffering and death to wildlife.

wexfordman2

THis is from a thread on politics.ie which I was participating in, and came accross this project which roger and bernie seem to be invovled in!

wexfordman wrote: »

Roger,

Are you involved in any way in this program, which sends vegans to schools to educate them on animal rights?
A debate on politics.ie I was participating in, and came accross this, which Roger and Bernie are invovled in:-

SCHOOL TALKS WORKSHOP - ANIMAL EDUCATION OUTREACH

Actually, Ive just done a a bit of looking, and it turns out you are quite invovled in "educating" our kids. This is your presentation, whcih you presented to a secondary school in Dublin

Animal rights with a case study of animal

And the audio

http://animalrightsireland.blogspot.ie/2013/01/dublin-animal-rights-school-talk-jan.htmll

wexfordman2

They also have a primary school module http://animaleducationoutreach.weebly.com/primary-level-talks.html

and a preschool module. Bernie Wright is looking for more volunteers to give these talks (see here http://animaleducationoutreach.weebly.com/school-talks-workshop.html), and they have also been held in a number of other schools,see here https://www.facebook.com/pages/ARAN-Animal-Rights-Action-Network/155913217835225


Im actually going to make a recording of this, summarise it and submit a complaint.

Sparks

Folks, please re-read the rules in the first post on this thread. Start a new thread if you wish to discuss any particular post from this thread.

wexfordman2

Petition to end game bird rearing!

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/minister-for-arts-heritage-and-the-gaeltacht-end-the-farming-and-breeding-of-birds-for-sport-shooting-in-ireland?utm_source=guides&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=six_hundred_signatures

wexfordman2

Animal Education Outreach presenting to catholic girl guides of ireland

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.453253914756384.1073741826.281359365279174&type=1

fathersymes

A report by a conservation ranger for the National Parks and Wildlife Service released to the Irish Council Against Blood Sports and seen by TheJournal.ie, reveal that six hares released back into the wild in conditions “ranging from poor to almost dead”.

http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-hare-coursing-complaint-927338-Jun2013/

fathersymes

Animal Rights Action Network’s John Carmody believes cases such as this are common due to the disregard shown to anti-cruelty legislation.
He said: “We’re disgusted this is going on. It goes to show people don’t care for our animal welfare laws.
“It’s worrying because from what we have been told, this practice is rampant throughout the country.
“We get countless emails and complaints about this kind of cruelty but until our laws are taken seriously, people aren’t going to stop.


http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/birdbrained-trainer-tied-up-pigeons-1945784

skippey

In this weeks cork independent on letters to the editor on page 24 from mr tierney "compassion lost when used to shooting animals"

http://corkindependent.com/20130828/news/compassion-lost-when-used-to-shooting-animals-S71497.html