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I have 2 cars - one for trips to Asda and the 12th with a yellow "foreign" number plate - a DL for my everyday life in Donegal, trips to Clones, Croke Park etc - works a treat and certainly makes life easierHappyman42 wrote: »Obviously not paying attention earlier in the thread. While you were skulling beer and eating sandwiches in the 'field' this is how the OO behave when they come face to face with what they exist to detest.
The OO don't exist to detest you just cause you happen to drive a southern reg car - only the ones with catholics in them :eek: - had you drawn their attention to the fact that yours was in fact full of protestants you may have got an invitation back to the hall for tea and sandwiches. You may even have found yourself signing the kids up for some Highland Dancing classes - it's not all about parading the streets in July.
May very well be true and equally reprehensible, but this thread is about the OO and the sectarianism and hate 'enshrined' in the organisation.
5 yrs ago. I drove up behind it and didn't know at that stage how big it was, and to be honest with you I thought the presence of the children would deter any nonsense. Not the first time southern cars have been attacked at parades like this in the border area, so trying to 'force' your way through would have been suicidal. The agressiveness started when they realised the car was a soutern reg. I can take you to the exact spot where it happened and show you the letter (unanswered) that I wrote to the Fivemiletown lodge. In fairness, although it was the nearest town, it may not have been that lodge, we didn't exactly roll down the window to ask and curiously they didn't have a lambeg. Just a group of sad soaking wet old men,(wretched) walking a hedge bound border road at dusk, in bowler hats and sashes.
My 12 year old still refers to them as 'the men with the funny hats that banged on the roof'
Take it or leave it as the truth, but many would have similar stories.
My 4 year old refers to the 12th as the Protestant Patrick's Day Parade :eek:0 -
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Please dump in the Walter Mitty forum :rolleyes:I have 2 cars - one for trips to Asda and the 12th with a yellow "foreign" number plate - a DL for my everyday life in Donegal, trips to Clones, Croke Park etc - works a treat and certainly makes life easier
My 4 year old refers to the 12th as the Protestant Patrick's Day Parade :eek:0 -
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Well I had a quick look over a few pages but didn't see anything about burning Polish flags but I will take your word for it& your three exclamation marks are there for what purpose exactly, shock, horror, what ??? Burning Polish flags has already been covered in this thread and anyone with any knowledge of loyalism would be aware that their bigotry is not specifically targeted at catholics, in fact anyone who is not white, protestant and thoroughly British will do.
On that note you might point me in the way of the Walter Mitty thread - I'll leave commenting here for the obviously more intelligent like your goodself:mad:
But Walter, at least I don't claim to have 2 cars "one for trips to Asda and the 12th" and "a DL for my everyday life in Donegal, trips to Clones, Croke Park "
Good idea Walter.On that note you might point me in the way of the Walter Mitty thread - I'll leave commenting here for the obviously more intelligent like your goodself0 -
You don't it would appear claim to have a sense of humour either but then I'm not sure mine (or indeed lack of it) is fully appreciated so guess I'll just have to keep working on it.thecommietommy wrote: »Well I had a quick look over a few pages but didn't see anything about burning Polish flags but I will take your word for it But Walter, at least I don't claim to have 2 cars "one for trips to Asda and the 12th" and "a DL for my everyday life in Donegal, trips to Clones, Croke Park "
Good idea Walter.
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steddyeddy wrote: »This is a tipping point in my opinion. I have never felt so sorry for the people of northern Ireland having to put up with this racisim on a daily basis. I feel so bad for the people who are working hard to bring tourists in to the country and then for this to be shown on the news.
There is a collective sickness of mind up there. I don't really understand it. It was the brutish behavior of the loyalists/unionists and police that started the whole trouble up there. Burning out the falls in 1969, the reaction of the state-let to the catholic civil rights marches were brutal. How these people believed that catholics should be 2nd class citizens and even worse that they should stay that was was unbelievable. Take a look at (from 6 mins in):
That attitude still prevails among many in the OO and loyalist community.0 -
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The start to this must be; standing up to any public expression of the OO's stance. When the grand master says stuff like 'he won't meet SF, or SF led residents groups (who is he expecting them to be led by, The Conservatives?) or that he won't recognise the Parades Comission or any other statements based in the sectarian charter of the OO then he has got to be challenged, officially condemmded and have sanctions put in place (removal of public funding etc), banning and proscribing if neccessary.
The Irish government send a delegate to Mauritius to complain about the application of their legal system but have nothing to say on an official level about the overt and dangerous activity of this order?
The Irish Gov again fails to respond responsibly and morally, out of fear and a certain amount of deference.
The British Gov fail abjectly to call this for what it is, because they know the power of the OO in the corridors of Stormont.
If the British bit the bulet, very quickly you would see distance appearing between the Unionist parties and the OO. That is happening but not quickly enough and not for the right reasons.
Demand modernisation, continually point to sectarian based acts as being unhelpful, dangerous and damaging and you will strip this order of the moderates, quicker than it is happening already. YOU MUST TAKE THE HIGHER MORAL GROUND in the face of sectarianism, right across society, if you are sincere about establishing a new society. Otherwise what you are doing is preserving it and allowing the possibilty of it retarding real progress.
If anybody watched the Bloody Friday programme on BBC last night it is clear that we have got to remove the type of thinking that allows carnage on the scale of that day, that thinking has been removed because the moderates have won and some have done it themselves, others are clearly having to be dragged into it. Don't shirk the job of dragging them, that's what responible governance is.0 -
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