Another EU referendum on the way

eth0 · 08-12-2011 4:13pm #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1208/eurozone.html

Once again we will be expected to agree to give more sovereignty to EU and accept being screwed over further while being fed a constant stream of lies about how further integration is better for us and will give us the jobs and prosperity that never arrived when we voted yes to Lisbon.

The likes of Sarkozy and Merkel will be accusing us of holding up Europe and being wreckless and all this nonsense if we vote no.

This time I'm seriously thinking of putting some new slogans on all those FF posters I took down and hanging them up around the place.

"Vote Yes, we can't afford another referendum"

"Vote Yes, make the ultimate sacrifice for Europe"

"Vote Yes, help keep the Euro alive for another year"

08-12-2011 4:14pm

Yes.

mikom · 08-12-2011 4:15pm

*Opens link*

*Spots picture of Lucinda Creighton*

"It's a no from me"

RichieC · 08-12-2011 4:16pm

Vote yes, it doesn't matter either way.

Tayla · 08-12-2011 4:16pm

We better hope that they even let us have a referendum and that they don't just push the changes through on their own

dlofnep · 08-12-2011 4:17pm

I'll be voting no, once and once only..

ThePower11 · 08-12-2011 4:17pm

Atari Jaguar

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:17pm

Yay! lets make up our mind before we know what the question is!

TheZohanS · 08-12-2011 4:19pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Yay! lets make up our mind before we know what the question is!

Guarantee you it will be tax harmonisation and our corporation tax.

Even if it means going to the polls a dozen times I'm voting "NO" on this one.

08-12-2011 4:19pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Yay! lets make up our mind before we know what the question is!

I'm not agreeing to that.

foxyboxer · 08-12-2011 4:19pm

ThePower11 wrote: »

Atari Jaguar

Atari Ja!.....guar.

hooradiation · 08-12-2011 4:19pm

eth0 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1208/eurozone.html

Once again we will be expected to agree to give more sovereignty to EU and accept being screwed over further while being fed a constant stream of lies about how further integration is better for us and will give us the jobs and prosperity that never arrived when we voted yes to Lisbon.

The likes of Sarkozy and Merkel will be accusing us of holding up Europe and being wreckless and all this nonsense if we vote no.

This time I'm seriously thinking of putting some new slogans on all those FF posters I took down and hanging them up around the place.

"Vote Yes, we can't afford another referendum"

"Vote Yes, make the ultimate sacrifice for Europe"

"Vote Yes, help keep the Euro alive for another year"

I hope there isn't one.
Simply because I cannot be fucked having to read this kind of shit masquerading as an opinion for months beforehand.

CardBordWindow · 08-12-2011 4:20pm

Vote for Jim Corr!

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:20pm

Abortions for All!

Shattered Dreamer · 08-12-2011 4:21pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Yay! lets make up our mind before we know what the question is!

Don't you follow the news? France & Germany want a treaty amendment to take more economic sovereignty from the member states & give it to the EU parliament in Brussels. I will be voting no because giving away more sovereignty to save what is clearly a sinking ship is pure stupidity.

UsernameInUse · 08-12-2011 4:22pm

RichieC wrote: »

Vote yes, it doesn't matter either way.

On your own.

If you want to be part of an undemocratic, authoritarian setup full of unelected bureaucrats - then speak for yourself...

The people of Ireland will say "no" - there is no two ways about it. The fact of the matter is that as a people - we do not want further European union integration. When will you Eurotrons accept that? We don't want to be a part of your economic prison, totalitarian wet dream - get over it.

KerranJast · 08-12-2011 4:22pm

There won't be a referendum. Nothing the EU can promise us will be worth giving up control of our corporate tax rates and budgets and the Govt know that which is why they're pushing for alternatives to treaty change.

Also the UK Govt are against treaty change too as it could force them into a referendum on the UK's continued membership of the EU.

Furthermore the proposed Financial transactions tax either won't happpen if the French and Germans insist on it being across the 27 (the UK will veto it affecting the City) or if it's Eurozone only it will just mean a flood of market movement to the City, the States and other markets to avoid the tax.

Debt restructuring and extending the debt loans to bailed out countries over a much longer of time like the reconstruction costs and reparations for WW2 is what's needed and the central EU Govts are slowly starting to drag their electorates towards understanding that.

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:22pm

TheZohan wrote: »

Guarantee you it will be tax harmonisation and our corporation tax.

Even if it means going to the polls a dozen times I'm voting "NO" on this one.

rate or base?

betcha it wont

Dotrel · 08-12-2011 4:22pm

Alright people, lets just pick the correct choice first time so our Government don't make us repeat the process until we give the answer they want.

orangebud · 08-12-2011 4:23pm

you have to admire how the eu came to power with no elected officials

I'll be voting no in the first referendum, probably be bullied & lied to in the 2nd referendum to vote yes

yeppydeppy · 08-12-2011 4:23pm

Won't somebody please think of the children!

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:25pm

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

Don't you follow the news? France & Germany want a treaty amendment to take more economic sovereignty from the member states & give it to the EU parliament in Brussels. I will be voting no because giving away more sovereignty to save what is clearly a sinking ship is pure stupidity.

yes i do. and i see 2 countries that are going to have to bargain with 25 other ones and come out with something to propose that has a chance of success.

Read the question before you answer it. Thats the reason we have multiple referendums on this crap, because nobody reads the questions. just makes up their mind on hysteria and election posters.

mikom · 08-12-2011 4:25pm

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4DFf5h2tu7Q/TXehkT8trLI/AAAAAAAADsE/tgw_mPlfARw/s400/Fianna%2BFail%2B%2527VOTE%2BYES%2BTO%2BLISBON%2BFOR%2BJOBS%2527..jpg

TheZohanS · 08-12-2011 4:25pm

sensibleken wrote: »

rate or base?

betcha it wont

The German-French plan is based on the following key provisions:
the European Commission to have the power to impose penalties for nations that run excessive budget deficits

all 17 eurozone nations should amend their national legislation to require balanced budgets

the eurozone countries to have common corporation and financial transaction taxes

any future bailouts would not require private investors to absorb part of the costs, as happened in the Greece case

betcha it will.

eth0 · 08-12-2011 4:26pm

yeppydeppy wrote: »

Won't somebody please think of the children!

The fecking children won't think of me will they?! All they think about is how they can get their hands on another XBOX 360 or iPad 2 or whatever Chinese fad of the month is in vogue now.

I hope to God we get the Punt Nua and that it will be so worthless nobody including myself can afford so much as a single electric toaster from China and we'll get back to normality after the consumerist binge of the past few decades.

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:28pm

TheZohan wrote: »

betcha it will.

whats that from? because the letter was talking about base, everyone else is talking about the rate of 12.5%.

besides doesnt mean its going to be in the treaty. as i sadi, lets wait for the question before answering it

My name is URL · 08-12-2011 4:30pm

So what's the question likely to be?

Why don't they just charge ahead and hold referenda on the formation of a wholly federalised Eurozone and have done with it? Maybe that way we could get rid of some of the bloat in our own government.

eth0 · 08-12-2011 4:30pm

sensibleken wrote: »

whats that from? because the letter was talking about base, everyone else is talking about the rate of 12.5%.

besides doesnt mean its going to be in the treaty. as i sadi, lets wait for the question before answering it

They'll set the base rate to 12.5 and get us to accept the treaty promising 'no change' then they'll start increasing it in a few years

hooradiation · 08-12-2011 4:32pm

KerranJast wrote: »

There won't be a referendum.

B-b-but people have already decided they're going to vote no!
We'll have to have one so they can get that out of their system in case a real referendum comes around and they'd do something as monumentally stupid as decide how they're going to vote on an issue before they know what the issue is.

sensibleken · 08-12-2011 4:32pm

eth0 wrote: »

They'll set the base rate to 12.5 and get us to accept the treaty promising 'no change' then they'll start increasing it in a few years

any chance of the lotto numbers?

AeoNGriM · 08-12-2011 4:35pm

sensibleken wrote: »

Abortions for All!

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Ok then, abortions for some, little Irish flags for others.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Another EU referendum on the way

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