Single Mothers to stage a protest at budget cuts

Newaglish

If there were equal rights in this area there would be a lot more single fathers than there are now. It's a bit hyprocritical to be criticising people for branding single mothers as welfare spongers on one hand and then on the other, blaming all the fathers for abdicating their responsibilities once the woman got pregnant. In reality the majority of cases I know of consist of a mutual break-up and zero possibility for the father to get custody of the child.

flutterflye

jarecki1976 wrote: »

it takes two to tango


There is a legal responsibility in Ireland on parents, whether married or unmarried, to maintain dependent children and on spouses/civil partners to maintain each other in accordance with their means. Maintenance can be paid periodically (i.e., weekly or monthly) or in a lump sum. In Ireland, paying maintenance does not in itself give a parent access or guardianship rights.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/separation_and_divorce/maintenance_orders_and_agreements.html

Fathers/Mothers are responsible for paying for all the needs of child/children

Yeah, it's just that it is very difficult for a single mother to work and pay for childcare, and pay all the bills and so on.
So if the father does not pay his full share for the child, plus also pay his share for childcare, how is the mother expected to work?

Sitec

Why don't the government just give them free childcare and let them up-skill/work?

The way it is at the moment it's not worth the mothers while working.

scholar007

Sitec wrote: »

Why don't the government just give them free childcare and let them up-skill/work?

The way it is at the moment it's not worth the mothers while working.

If they aren't working - what do they do to pass the time all day?:D

Sitec

scholar007 wrote: »

If they aren't working - what do they do to pass the time all day?:D

I'd imagine look after their child/children??

SEPT 23 1989

Sitec wrote: »

Why don't the government just give them free childcare and let them up-skill/work?

The way it is at the moment it's not worth the mothers while working.

Exactly its a poverty trap

People here should really look into how this backward system works before commenting on it

JoeyJJ

I don't mind the payment, it is needed in a lot of cases, however what pisses me off is when the boyfriend and father doesn't put his name on the birthcert and is still around and lives with them however pretends not too and only keeps a few clothes around.

If you know people like this report them !

scholar007

Sitec wrote: »

I'd imagine look after their child/children??

Kids have to go to school so I'd imagine there is a fair bit of free time.....

Zulu

Fittle wrote: »

My guess is there are alot of AH posters who thought 'Meh, this isn't for me'..and walked away.

:pac: Good one!

meoklmrk91

Seriously some peoples opinions are simply disgusting. I know some career dole bags, but very rarely single mothers. So they are supposed to feed and clothe these kids themselves by working every hour god sends, that if they can find a job and then only to have people complain about their little tearaways because aren't around rearing them like they should be.

Some of the single mothers I know are the finest, most upstanding members of their community and often raise their kids to be so. You will very rarely find a girl in secondary school who would want that kind of life for themselves but **** happens, that is the way life goes. I also know plenty of sperm donors, men who were in relationships and decided they didn't want kids and left. So why don't people admonish them instead of those they chose to leave behind.

Regardless of where they came from these are kids at the end of the day and I would never like to see a kid go hungry,without medication, without clothes because this country decided it wasn't worth it.

And for those of you who think that we should take after the American model, I suggest you look again, of all the social systems in the world that is not the one I would be looking to. Since ye are all so happy to follow it I suggest ye move there and good luck paying for health insurance if you have a pre-existing condition and if not then good luck getting money out of them when you do get ill. Actually when pretty much anything goes wrong for you, because there is no safety net for anyone, so have fun surviving.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

stovelid

scholar007 wrote: »

I'll contribute a few condoms to their cause........

You don't sound like you'll ever need them anyway.

flutterflye

Sitec wrote: »

Why don't the government just give them free childcare and let them up-skill/work?

The way it is at the moment it's not worth the mothers while working.

Yeah I've wondered about this for years.
The average single parent claiming opfa gets what €200/€300 per week?
Plus rent allowance up to about €850 a month?

Childcare costs about €800-€1000 per month.

So it is actually better for the tax payer if they were to get free childcare.
And obviously better for the parent, the child, and society in general.

tonycascarino

Lord Trollington wrote: »

You mean this bird?

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg862/scaled.php?tn=0&server=862&filename=1oxit.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

She'll be at the protest one suspects.

I'd say that's the similar story behind alot of them

Sitec

scholar007 wrote: »

Kids have to go to school so I'd imagine there is a fair bit of free time.....

True true, forgot about that, I was referring to younger children.

Kasabian

Yeah!!! A Milf parade.

Will there be a viewing area?

scholar007

stovelid wrote: »

You don't sound like you'll ever need them anyway.

Kanoe

flutterflye wrote: »

Yeah I've wondered about this for years.
The average single parent claiming opfa gets what €200/€300 per week?
Plus rent allowance up to about €850 a month?

Childcare costs about €800-€1000 per month.

So it is actually better for the tax payer if they were to get free childcare.
And obviously better for the parent, the child, and society in general.

(unemployed) single parents get the same as those on unemployment assistance + 20 euro think about it, 20 euro to cover the cost of a child.
If they are unemployed they get the same rent assitance as other unemployed afaik, the difference being children are prioritised when it comes to housing. Thats the difference.

flutterflye

Kanoe wrote: »

(unemployed) single parents get the same as those on unemployment assistance + 20 euro think about it, 20 euro to cover the cost of a child.
If they are unemployed they get the same rent assitance as other unemployed afaik, the difference being children are prioritised when it comes to housing. Thats the difference.

Yeah I know, it's ridiculous.
I think it is even a bit less actually, maybe €18 or something?

It's one thing for the average Joe to sit about bashing single parents, but you really would expect more from the government.
Time and time again, they pick the most vulnerable in society, and make them more vulnerable, which has a knock off effect in every day life for all of society- medical expenses, education, special needs, crime rates, addiction rates etc...
For once - look at the bigger picture you pack of gombeens.

Lord Trollington

stovelid wrote: »

You don't sound like you'll ever need them anyway.

Says the chap who has 22,000 odd posts on boards.ie

DoesNotCompute

flutterflye wrote: »

Yeah I know, it's ridiculous.
I think it is even a bit less actually, maybe €18 or something?

It's one thing for the average Joe to sit about bashing single parents, but you really would expect more from the government.
Time and time again, they pick the most vulnerable in society, and make them more vulnerable, which has a knock off effect in every day life for all of society- medical expenses, education, special needs, crime rates, addiction rates etc...
For once - look at the bigger picture you pack of gombeens.

RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE

Do you've a better idea of how to close the gap in the deficit? Didn't think so.

moco

I don’t think single mothers should be given houses. I think there should be special accommodation, with crèches. They can work, and have their child minded there. Instead of them being given a house, they live in purpose-built apartment blocks. If they want to live with a new partner, they move as a family into their own accommodation, paid by themselves and their partner.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

flutterflye

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE

Do you've a better idea of how to close the gap in the deficit? Didn't think so.

Yeah, so that was a load of unintelligible nonsense.
I never claimed to be an economist, like most people seem to believe they are. :rolleyes:

flutterflye

moco wrote: »

I don’t think single mothers should be given houses. I think there should be special accommodation, with crèches. They can work, and have their child minded there. Instead of them being given a house, they live in purpose-built apartment blocks. If they want to live with a new partner, they move as a family into their own accommodation, paid by themselves and their partner.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Not necessarily a bad idea, if done right.

Lord Trollington

flutterflye wrote: »

Yeah I know, it's ridiculous.
I think it is even a bit less actually, maybe €18 or something?

It's one thing for the average Joe to sit about bashing single parents, but you really would expect more from the government.
Time and time again, they pick the most vulnerable in society, and make them more vulnerable, which has a knock off effect in every day life for all of society- medical expenses, education, special needs, crime rates, addiction rates etc...
For once - look at the bigger picture you pack of gombeens.

There are plenty of genuine girls who for genuine reasons are single parents and need help and assistance.

And then there are sprog machines who have kids for multiple lads and couldn't even hazard a guess as to who the actual father is.
Why should the state prop up their lifestyle.

If your on lone parents allowance you realistically cannot afford the child/children you have already.

There should be no bonus or extra money for having more.

Fúcking Mickey money is all it is.

flutterflye

Lord Trollington wrote: »

There are plenty of genuine girls who for genuine reasons are single parents and need help and assistance.

And then there are sprog machines who have kids for multiple lads and couldn't even hazard a guess as to who the actual father is.
Why should the state prop up their lifestyle.

If your on lone parents allowance you realistically cannot afford the child/children you have already.

There should be no bonus or extra money for having more.

Fúcking Mickey money is all it is.

Should the tax payers pay for a forced abortion then?
No contraception is 100% effective, and I personally know dozens of girls who have become pregnant while using various contraceptive methods.
Or should they be expected to abstain completely, or have their tubes tied?

Fittle

Gophur wrote: »

How can you possibly come out with such a statement, unless you have conducted a survey on the subject?

Pure speculation and conjecture on your behalf I guess.

I have masses of surveys and research on the subject. Would you like me to pm it to you?

Lord Trollington

flutterflye wrote: »

Should the tax payers pay for a forced abortion then?
No contraception is 100% effective, and I personally know dozens of girls who have become pregnant while using various contraceptive methods.
Or should they be expected to abstain completely, or have their tubes tied?

No Tax payers should not have to pay for abortions nor should anyone be forced to abort.

You know dozens of girls who became pregnant using various different contraceptive methods?

Ah here now yee cant be all that unlucky in fairness. Or do you need condoms made of asbestos?

I can bet that if mickey money wasn't so handy available you'd see how careful people would be.

TheZohanS

moco wrote: »

I don’t think single mothers should be given houses. I think there should be special accommodation, with crèches. They can work, and have their child minded there. Instead of them being given a house, they live in purpose-built apartment blocks. If they want to live with a new partner, they move as a family into their own accommodation, paid by themselves and their partner.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

That's a great idea. Maybe something along the lines of a laundry service. Maybe we could call them after one of the more famous wimmins from the bible, Mary Magdalene laundries Inc.

matt-dublin

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE

Do you've a better idea of how to close the gap in the deficit? Didn't think so.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE


If theyd kept their bleedin legs closed they wouldn't have this issue in the first place....

moco

TheZohan wrote: »

That's a great idea. Maybe something along the lines of a laundry service. Maybe we could call them after one of the more famous wimmins from the bible, Mary Magdalene laundries Inc.

Not like that obviously. I knew somebody would say that!:pac:

A normal apartment block where everyone goes about their business as usual, but they aren’t allowed to move partners in…and there’s a free crèche. It would take away the incentive for some people to get pregnant to get a free house.