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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #5222
    Donegalforever
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭Donegalforever


    tanko wrote: »
    I'm disappointed with how they've turned out, had some heifers off him that looked like lovely animals when they were young but just turned into hungry cows that wouldn't feed a calf or themselves. You'd wonder where the grass/silage was going in them, it's like feeding a black hole.

    I see on ICBF that the bulls/bullocks off him killed out at good weights but poor fat scores, they seem to have been hard finished.
    The lack of milk off his cows is disappointing also.
    I've almost given up on using Lim bulls to improve milk and cows here, Sim and Saler cross cows are working out better.

    Have you tried Sim/LIm x. heifers.
    I have had some of them in the past and I was pleased enough.


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    #5223
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Donegalforever wrote: »
    Have you tried Sim/LIm x. heifers.
    I have had some of them in the past and I was pleased enough.

    I've had them here. Great cows. Only downside is the white forehead carries tru to the calves. Colour snobs don't like them.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5224
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I’d an on-dit pbr bull a few years ago.....it was impossible to put weight on him, spoke to another lad that had a few of them....all stars etc but never again... ondit reminds me of Graham’s Apache....he was the best bull for milk etc etc etc there isn’t a word about him now or I’d say much of his stock left.

    I've one Grahams Apache cow here, she's had three calves so far, she has lots if milk but she's off a 3/4 bred AA cow who had plenty. Had a few bulls off him who killed out very well iirc. I'd use Apache again if he could be got but i wouldn't use ONI again.


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    #5225
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    tanko wrote: »
    I'm disappointed with how they've turned out, had some heifers off him that looked like lovely animals when they were young but just turned into hungry cows that wouldn't feed a calf or themselves. You'd wonder where the grass/silage was going in them, it's like feeding a black hole.

    I see on ICBF that the bulls/bullocks off him killed out at good weights but poor fat scores, they seem to have been hard finished.
    The lack of milk off his cows is disappointing also.


    This is that on-dit heifer I was on about Tanko. Shes Plain but a big strong heifer. Not very maternal looking.


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    #5226
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    This is that on-dit heifer I was on about Tanko. Shes Plain but a big strong heifer. Not very maternal looking.

    Whats the golden lady behind her by?


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    #5227
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    furandfeather wrote: »
    Whats the golden lady behind her by?

    She is a VCR twin.


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    #5228
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    She is a VCR twin.

    Very nice, twin heifers was it?
    I really liked vcr, our oldest cow is vcr she's just after calving an hour ago, she's a great breeder


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    #5229
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    This is that on-dit heifer I was on about Tanko. Shes Plain but a big strong heifer. Not very maternal looking.

    They do have great length and square ends alrite.
    Does her mother have much milk?


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    #5230
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    tanko wrote: »
    They do have great length and square ends alrite.
    Does her mother have much milk?

    Ya her mother is a great Milker. She's a pxu ch cow


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    #5231
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    furandfeather wrote: »
    Very nice, twin heifers was it?
    I really liked vcr, our oldest cow is vcr she's just after calving an hour ago, she's a great breeder

    Ya, her sister is in pin there aswell


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    #5232
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    This is that on-dit heifer I was on about Tanko. Shes Plain but a big strong heifer. Not very maternal looking.

    I don't see much wrong with her. :rolleyes:
    You could put a thick muscley type bull on her after the first year.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5233
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I don't see much wrong with her. :rolleyes:
    You could put a thick muscley type bull on her after the first year.

    Just on that topic Patsy, what muscley type bulls would you suggest? I have allot of muscly type cows that I would give EBY and 2014 to but not the other way around


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    #5234
    Gudstock
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Gudstock


    Is a Blonde a good cross on those good golden continentals? Produce another golden calf?


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    #5235
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    Just on that topic Patsy, what muscley type bulls would you suggest? I have allot of muscly type cows that I would give EBY and 2014 to but not the other way around

    Excel (lm4027) with Bova is a ball of muscle. His calves are exceptionally quiet too. Not for heifers though.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5236
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Excel (lm4027) with Bova is a ball of muscle. His calves are exceptionally quiet too. Not for heifers though.

    What about Ernevalley Madison @ Dovea?


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    #5237
    antrimite
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭antrimite


    DukeCaboom wrote: »
    What's the youngest people here calf down heifers at. I've a bunch of heifers lm, si & sax. Good stong heifers but there's 3 in the bunch that wood be calving at 21 months if I put them with the bull now.
    Basically should I not bull them till mid April?

    Thanks in advance.

    We don't bull heifers until at least 2 years old, calving nearer 3.
    It works for us as we run cows and calves on mountain ground for the summer and in previous years, when we calved heifers at 2 years old, they struggled badly in September/October months when grass strength starts to lessen. Losing flesh and calf not thriving so had to feed meal to keep them going. At 3yo they just seem to cope better rearing the calf come the back end.


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    #5238
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    What about Ernevalley Madison @ Dovea?

    He looks like a big muscle machine, his CD has been creeping up too.
    He carries the CH double muscle gene.


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    #5239
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    Just on that topic Patsy, what muscley type bulls would you suggest? I have allot of muscly type cows that I would give EBY and 2014 to but not the other way around

    Do you give EBY to the bigger ones and LM2014 to the smaller ones?

    Have you ever tried Gamin ZGM, he's very easy calved and brings serious muscle.


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    #5240
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    Do you give EBY to the bigger ones and LM2014 to the smaller ones?

    Have you ever tried Gamin ZGM, he's very easy calved and brings serious muscle.

    Excel is even more muscley then Gamin. Not as stylish though.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5241
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    tanko wrote: »
    Do you give EBY to the bigger ones and LM2014 to the smaller ones?

    Have you ever tried Gamin ZGM, he's very easy calved and brings serious muscle.

    Yes, EBY to the cows that are heavily muscled and 2014 to less muscled cows / heifers. I normally just get whatever Dovea have because thy are in my area. I would like to get a pot so that i could get straws from other companies. Heard allot about Gamin and would like to try him.


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    #5242
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    What about Ernevalley Madison @ Dovea?

    I saw him selling at Roscrea. Smashing looking bull. Calving as Tanko said would be a concern.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5243
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I saw him selling at Roscrea. Smashing looking bull. Calving as Tanko said would be a concern.

    Might try him on a mature cow
    Would the daughters have milk?


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    #5244
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Excel is even more muscley then Gamin. Not as stylish though.

    Is he much harder calved than Gamin?


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    #5245
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    Is he much harder calved than Gamin?

    Have only 2 calves on the ground by him. Both off small cows. He's a bit harder than average I'd say. You could use him on good calvers, no problem.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5246
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Might try him on a mature cow
    Would the daughters have milk?

    He has no daughters calved yet, but icbf have him 5 star for milk on his breeding. Expect him to breed big frames. His functionality is very poor too.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #5247
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    Yes, EBY to the cows that are heavily muscled and 2014 to less muscled cows / heifers. I normally just get whatever Dovea have because thy are in my area. I would like to get a pot so that i could get straws from other companies. Heard allot about Gamin and would like to try him.

    Is it limousines only?


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    #5248
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    I always thought that eby was better suited to a taller cow/heifer to inject muscle and if black to bring red. Am I wrong? Tks.


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    #5249
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I always thought that eby was better suited to a taller cow/heifer to inject muscle and if black to bring red. Am I wrong? Tks.

    Equal chance of any limousin bull of bringing black or red calved off any given cow,
    He's suited to taller cows but is a heifers bull in reality


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    #5250
    Amateur Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭Amateur Farmer


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Excel is even more muscley then Gamin. Not as stylish though.
    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Excel (lm4027) with Bova is a ball of muscle. His calves are exceptionally quiet too. Not for heifers though.

    I've an Excel weanling heifer and she's extremely quiet, comes up to you in the field for a rub and scratch.
    I also have an Excel bull calf out of a Gamin heifer - similar to the heifer he's very quiet as well.
    The bull calf had a 59kg birth weight and needed a very slight pull (no jack needed, a small pull without the need for ropes). I'd consider Gamin's to be great calvers and a Gamin heifer probably has similar calving ability as a cow having her second calf.


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    #5251
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    Amateur Farmer wrote: »
    I've an Excel weanling heifer and she's extremely quiet, comes up to you in the field for a rub and scratch.
    I also have an Excel bull calf out of a Gamin heifer - similar to the heifer he's very quiet as well.
    The bull calf had a 59kg birth weight and needed a very slight pull (no jack needed, a small pull without the need for ropes). I'd consider Gamin's to be great calvers and a Gamin heifer probably has similar calving ability as a cow having her second calf.

    What is your Gamin heifer like for milk?


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