Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

tanko

I have two here that calved for the second time recently, one off a TKO cow and one off an ION cow. They're only ok i'd say, don't think either of them will be as good as their mothers. They're quiet, well muscled, medium sized and could do with a bit more milk.
If you're going to keep ZAG heifers i think they'd want to be off bigger framed cows with plenty of milk.

john mayo 10

RobinBanks wrote: »

Anybody have any ZAG cows ?

I have a lovely quiet ZAG cow here. Second Calfer. Great temperament. The day I bought her as a springer I could pet her in the field. Plenty of milk too but she's out of a HE cow.

RobinBanks

tanko wrote: »

I have two here that calved for the second time recently, one off a TKO cow and one off an ION cow. They're only ok i'd say, don't think either of them will be as good as their mothers. They're quiet, well muscled, medium sized and could do with a bit more milk.
If you're going to keep ZAG heifers i think they'd want to be off bigger framed cows with plenty of milk.

Cheers. My one is long but butty enough. She is out of a big BYU cow so thought she would grow a bit better. Shes not so simple to handle though.

RobinBanks

john mayo 10 wrote: »

I have a lovely quiet ZAG cow here. Second Calfer. Great temperament. The day I bought her as a springer I could pet her in the field. Plenty of milk too but she's out of a HE cow.

What bulls are you giving that ZAG cow now?

dodo mommy

I'll never under stand how zag was so high on the maternal stars, I find them very butty cattle.

Hard Knocks

dodo mommy wrote: »

I'll never under stand how zag was so high on the maternal stars, I find them very butty cattle.

All easy calving bulls are high on maternal even if they have no milk

RobinBanks

Hard Knocks wrote: »

All easy calving bulls are high on maternal even if they have no milk

And he isnt that easy calving if you ask me. Especially if crossed on blue cows which i have allot of.

john mayo 10

RobinBanks wrote: »

What bulls are you giving that ZAG cow now?

Gave her a ch bull last year. Ch4160 from dovea.
She went back in calf less than 2 months after calving. Good for a first calfer

charolais0153

RobinBanks wrote: »

And he isnt that easy calving if you ask me. Especially if crossed on blue cows which i have allot of.

Ive used plenty of blues that id say are easy calving, would you chance them on your blue cows??

RobinBanks

charolais0153 wrote: »

Ive used plenty of blues that id say are easy calving, would you chance them on your blue cows??

Chance a blue bull on a blue cow is it?

Hard Knocks

RobinBanks wrote: »

And he isnt that easy calving if you ask me. Especially if crossed on blue cows which i have allot of.

Look at the Charolais
FSZ is 5 star maternal and -4 for milk
LZF + CKH 5 star @ -6

Seanhorse91

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Look at the Charolais
FSZ is 5 star maternal and -4 for milk
LZF + CKH 5 star @ -6

Lzf does bring milk tho, regardless of what is down on paper

tanko

RobinBanks wrote: »

And he isnt that easy calving if you ask me. Especially if crossed on blue cows which i have allot of.

Have you ever tried Gamin (ZGM), he'd be ideal for your blue cows i think.

patsy_mccabe

I've a PB ZAG heifer here. Don't know what to do with her as her mother had very little milk and ZAG is poor for milk too. She's fine otherwise, quiet enough.

Have another cow due to my first Gamin (ZGM) in 2 weeks. Brought her home today from where she was as too much grass. She's a big cow and gone kinda fleshy so home to bare fields.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've a PB ZAG heifer here. Don't know what to do with her as her mother had very little milk and ZAG is poor for milk too. She's fine otherwise, quiet enough.

Have another cow due to my first Gamin (ZGM) in 2 weeks. Brought her home today from where she was as too much grass. She's a big cow and gone kinda fleshy so home to bare fields.

If you like her and have room to keep her you could always give her a go but chances are she'll be poor for milk too.
I thought that all pedigree Limo breeders have a few Holstein cows and a big meal bin in the yard to help the calves along:cool:

Had four Gamin calves here recently off third calvers that were pretty fat, they popped them out no problem.

RobinBanks

tanko wrote: »

Have you ever tried Gamin (ZGM), he'd be ideal for your blue cows i think.

I will see can I get him. Might be difficult in current circumstances

charolais0153

RobinBanks wrote: »

Chance a blue bull on a blue cow is it?

Ya like, blue cows are notoriously bad calvers so the parameters for easy calving are changed,

tanko

RobinBanks wrote: »

I will see can I get him. Might be difficult in current circumstances

AFAIK straws are still being delivered as normal but i haven't got any this year.
Which Lim bulls worked well on those blues in the past, did you ever try EBY on them?

390kid

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Look at the Charolais
FSZ is 5 star maternal and -4 for milk
LZF + CKH 5 star @ -6

Is there any Charolais yad recommend for milk that would suit plainer commercial cows

GiantPencil

390kid wrote: »

Is there any Charolais yad recommend for milk that would suit plainer commercial cows

Based off of data I would suggest TOMBAPIK (CH4202) seeing as his milk figures are 10.1kg at 85% reliability so he definitely injects milk in his daughters and his beef figures are decent enough too across other breeds. Now there are other bulls out there that wouldn't have as high milk figures but would have better beef figures like CH2204 and TZW so it depends on what you want I suppose. Those 3 bulls aren't commercially available either so you'd want to order the straws, they'd be around the 40 quid mark too

Hard Knocks

390kid wrote: »

Is there any Charolais yad recommend for milk that would suit plainer commercial cows

Which AI company are you with?
Can Vern Indigo be got?
Had a stock bull by him who improved size & milk

Hard Knocks

GiantPencil wrote: »

Based off of data I would suggest TOMBAPIK (CH4202) seeing as his milk figures are 10.1kg at 85% reliability so he definitely injects milk in his daughters and his beef figures are decent enough too across other breeds. Now there are other bulls out there that wouldn't have as high milk figures but would have better beef figures like CH2204 and TZW so it depends on what you want I suppose. Those 3 bulls aren't commercially available either so you'd want to order the straws, they'd be around the 40 quid mark too

Personally I’d prefer Bova Sylvain
Been trying for a heifer off him, recommended strongly by others

RobinBanks

tanko wrote: »

AFAIK straws are still being delivered as normal but i haven't got any this year.
Which Lim bulls worked well on those blues in the past, did you ever try EBY on them?

Yes, tried EBY, nice calves but nothing special. I have also used Ivor, Malibu, casino, ZAG, Rocky & Altea on blue cows and Ivor has produced the best calves for me. But I also have some very poor lim calves out of blue cows. Attached is an Ivor calf from a BBQ cow

RobinBanks

Here is the ZAG heifer from the BYU cow. I ai’d her to Ivor lm2014 yesterday. She’s a nice long heifer but butty. Not simple to work with either. She has great breeding behind her I hope she grows a bit over the summer and settles down.

390kid

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Which AI company are you with?
Can Vern Indigo be got?
Had a stock bull by him who improved size & milk

Progressive. Wouldn’t mind something to inject a bit of size and milk

charolais0153

390kid wrote: »

Progressive. Wouldn’t mind something to inject a bit of size and milk

Sounds like your looking for a simmental;)

patsy_mccabe

Fine heifer for sale here by Gamin (ZGM).

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/an-excellent-in-calf-pedigree-heifer/23740550

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1565908169

DukeCaboom

charolais0153 wrote: »

Sounds like your looking for a simmental;)

Kdz curaheen dickens from bova would be a good fit.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Fine heifer for sale here by Gamin (ZGM).

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/an-excellent-in-calf-pedigree-heifer/23740550

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1565908169

Did you get the price when you rang him?

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

Did you get the price when you rang him?

No, it might be cheaper breed my own. :rolleyes: