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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #4262
    annubis
    Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭annubis


    lads how do ye find ampertaine elgin for calving, bought a young elgin bull last year, lovely bull with very nice pedigree, very easy calving figures like 2 or 3%
    have 7 heifers due to him, some starting to look very bulky indeed, only one calf to him so far and it was a 2nd calver and the calf was very big and serious pull, now it might have been the cow but starting to worry a bit :mad:


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    #4263
    p576131
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭p576131


    tanko wrote: »
    Dromanig King:rolleyes:.

    I wonder are straws of Brooklands Marco available yet, looks a super bull on paper anyway, unproven yet tho.

    You can, we have him used in a big limousin cow here, calving in October.


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    #4264
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Lim x fr bulling, a good thick limo bull that could keep heifers of, dovea or maybe progressive

    What did you go with?


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    #4265
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,711 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    annubis wrote: »
    lads how do ye find ampertaine elgin for calving, bought a young elgin bull last year, lovely bull with very nice pedigree, very easy calving figures like 2 or 3%
    have 7 heifers due to him, some starting to look very bulky indeed, only one calf to him so far and it was a 2nd calver and the calf was very big and serious pull, now it might have been the cow but starting to worry a bit :mad:

    Most of Elgin's calving data would be coming from the pedigree cows, so might actually be a bit higher due to lads under reporting. Elite Ice Cream is by Elgin and he's hard calving enough.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #4266
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    True, it's a week known fact that a calving jack has never been used or a section carried out on a pedigree cow of any breed in this country.
    It's a huge flaw with ICBF CD figures that they almost always give a CD figure to young bulls which is a lot lower than the figure the bull ends up with once his calves start arriving.


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    #4267
    Who2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Who2


    Hopefully I’m going to have a very busy End of January next year two stockbulls are flat out and six ai’d yesterday as well. This good weather is all I can think is bringing on the cows. The other six were estrumated heifers.


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    #4268
    fanmanad
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭fanmanad


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Did you not find OKH breeds a bit narrow? Nice quiet cattle though.

    Only have 1 of his offspring calved here so far. Just something about them that I like. Have a couple more to be served this year and another couple of calves on the ground this spring. Not many straws left now either from him


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    #4269
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    tanko wrote: »
    What did you go with?

    I only seen the teaser after her, hasnt stood yet:rolleyes:, https://www.doveagenetics.ie/products/beef/ernevalley-madison
    I liked the look of that lad, positive for milk,


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    #4270
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭adne


    fanmanad wrote: »
    Only have 1 of his offspring calved here so far. Just something about them that I like. Have a couple more to be served this year and another couple of calves on the ground this spring. Not many straws left now either from him

    Nice length to okh and they have nice heads but are inclined to be a little narrow


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    #4271
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    I only seen the teaser after her, hasnt stood yet:rolleyes:, https://www.doveagenetics.ie/products/beef/ernevalley-madison
    I liked the look of that lad, positive for milk,

    If she has any sense she'll keep walking, would you really put a muscle machine like that on a heifer? What did your last batch of heifers calve to?


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    #4272
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,711 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I wouldn't put Ernevalley Madison Lm4745 on heifers, madness. I saw that bull selling in Roscrea. Super bull, but I was waiting to see his calving figures before putting on cows.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #4273
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I wouldn't put Ernevalley Madison Lm4745 on heifers, madness. I saw that bull selling in Roscrea. Super bull, but I was waiting to see his calving figures before putting on cows.

    Would you try him on a second calver?


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    #4274
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,711 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Would you try him on a second calver?

    No calves on the ground yet. You could chance him on a few big cows.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #4275
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    tanko wrote: »
    If she has any sense she'll keep walking, would you really put a muscle machine like that on a heifer? What did your last batch of heifers calve to?

    Shes a 4th calver;) standing now:D
    Last heifer calved to lm2014


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    #4276
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    Ah ok, my mistake, thought you said a maiden heifer. He's a serious looking bull alrite.
    What do you think of LM2014, only one here so far, light boned and slight, i can see why he's so easy calved. Have heard good reports about him.
    Three more ZGM calves popped out here yesterday.


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    #4277
    Seanhorse91
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    tanko wrote: »
    Ah ok, my mistake, thought you said a maiden heifer. He's a serious looking bull alrite.
    What do you think of LM2014, only one here so far, light boned and slight, i can see why he's so easy calved. Have heard good reports about him.
    Three more ZGM calves popped out here yesterday.

    Were the Gamin’s easy Calved? You happy with quality so far?


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    #4278
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    Yeah, i'd be very happy with them. He's very easy calved on cows, haven't used him on heifers, some people do. Good muscle and shape to them once they get going. He's an ideal terminal bull for the likes of a second calver i think.


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    #4279
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    tanko wrote: »
    Ah ok, my mistake, thought you said a maiden heifer. He's a serious looking bull alrite.
    What do you think of LM2014, only one here so far, light boned and slight, i can see why he's so easy calved. Have heard good reports about him.
    Three more ZGM calves popped out here yesterday.

    Only one here too, a nice heifer, cow maker, shes light boned but also 7/8 limo so might be that in either, he seems to be the new eby


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    #4280
    Simmental.
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Simmental.


    I have 2 calved to Madison this year. both second calfers AAx and HEx from the dairy herd. calved themselves


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    #4281
    Simmental.
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Simmental.


    Ernevalley Madison (LM4745) calves
    Calf in the first 2 pictures is 1 month old
    Calf in the second picture is 2 weeks old


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    #4282
    DukeCaboom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭DukeCaboom


    Escalop son born the end of Sept.


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    #4283
    Billybigbollox
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Billybigbollox


    What are Fiston heifers like as replacements?
    Have four golden yellow heifers of purebred saler cows and was thinking of keeping and crossing back to saler again.The cows have good milk and always rear good weanlings.


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    #4284
    Who2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Who2


    Billybigbollox wrote: »
    What are Fiston heifers like as replacements?
    Have four golden yellow heifers of purebred saler cows and was thinking of keeping and crossing back to saler again.The cows have good milk and always rear good weanlings.

    I’d have no fear of that cross, the saler should pull back the maternal a fair bit.


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    #4285
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Billybigbollox wrote: »
    What are Fiston heifers like as replacements?
    Have four golden yellow heifers of purebred saler cows and was thinking of keeping and crossing back to saler again.The cows have good milk and always rear good weanlings.

    What are the heifers like for height and width at the hips
    That’s the only concern I’d have


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    #4286
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Hi all, looking for some advice re Dovea Simmental sires, I’ve a mature chx cow that I’d like to try a Simmental on and her daughter a second calver. Looking for replacements. Have no real experience of Simmentals so any advice is appreciated. Knowing my luck though it will be two bulls:D


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    #4287
    jd06
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭jd06


    This is my fiston cald 4 days old off of a handy size cow. Very impressed with him
    I posted here wondering about his calving difficulty . I used the jack but wasn't a massive pull.


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    #4288
    jd06
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭jd06


    This is my fiston cald 4 days old off of a handy size cow. Very impressed with him
    I posted here wondering about his calving difficulty . I used the jack but wasn't a massive pull.


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    #4289
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    Are they quiet? I've had a few of them here that were bloody wild, not all of them but some of them. I've heard other people say this about Fiston calves too.
    I wouldn't think he'd be a great bull to keep heifers off but if you couldn't keep them off Saler cows you wouldn't keep them off anything.
    Only one Fiston calf here this year, a bull of an ION X CH cow, not the biggest but lovely shape and muscle to him, i plan to use him a good bit this year.


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    #4290
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    Billybigbollox wrote: »
    What are Fiston heifers like as replacements?
    Have four golden yellow heifers of purebred saler cows and was thinking of keeping and crossing back to saler again.The cows have good milk and always rear good weanlings.

    I'll tell ya in 9 months, bulled a fiston out of a PB simmental yesterday.
    Shes a sweet golden one so I said I'd chance her


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    #4291
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    Hi all, looking for some advice re Dovea Simmental sires, I’ve a mature chx cow that I’d like to try a Simmental on and her daughter a second calver. Looking for replacements. Have no real experience of Simmentals so any advice is appreciated. Knowing my luck though it will be two bulls:D

    I've used QCD a bit, have two cows off him here, they're medium sized and are good breeders, you could put him on the second calver. Auroch James is a nice looking bull but haven't used him.
    If the older cow is a good calver you could try Curaheen Gunshot on her, never tried him tho.


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