Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

tanko · 19-04-2020 9:43pm

jd06 wrote: »

This is my fiston cald 4 days old off of a handy size cow. Very impressed with him
I posted here wondering about his calving difficulty . I used the jack but wasn't a massive pull.

That's a super looking calf, all things considered Fiston is a great bull to use.

Who2 · 19-04-2020 10:00pm

tanko wrote: »

I've used QCD a bit, have two cows off him here, they're medium sized and are good breeders, you could put him on the second calver. Auroch James is a nice looking bull but haven't used him.
If the older cow is a good calver you could try Curaheen Gunshot on her, never tried him tho.

I’ve a gunshot heifer here. She has the makings of a really good cow. Very deep and what I’d class as an ideal cow maker type. I’ve used two simmentals this year, seafort gill on taller type heifers and dereen jack on lower set heifers. Anyone any knowledge of either one?

furandfeather · 19-04-2020 10:02pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Hi all, looking for some advice re Dovea Simmental sires, I’ve a mature chx cow that I’d like to try a Simmental on and her daughter a second calver. Looking for replacements. Have no real experience of Simmentals so any advice is appreciated. Knowing my luck though it will be two bulls:D

Gunshot is breeding great stuff.
Qcd is leaving nice breeding stock but nothing too fancy
Nothing born of James yet I think
Isl will add size

furandfeather · 19-04-2020 10:14pm

Who2 wrote: »

I’ve a gunshot heifer here. She has the makings of a really good cow. Very deep and what I’d class as an ideal cow maker type. I’ve used two simmentals this year, seafort gill on taller type heifers and dereen jack on lower set heifers. Anyone any knowledge of either one?

Gill is breeding well from what iv seen. That big farm up the country teeartra (sp?) bought him out of bova.
Have only seen a few out of Declan, he looks a nice bull though

tanko · 19-04-2020 10:14pm

furandfeather wrote: »

Gunshot is breeding great stuff.
Qcd is leaving nice breeding stock but nothing too fancy
Nothing born of James yet I think
Isl will add size

Is Gunshot harder calved than average?
I think QCD breeds a good bull calf as well as a nice heifer.
Have you tried Curaheen Earp, i think he's a very good bull, nice heifers and good bulls off him.
Had some Derreen Declan calves last year, decent heifers but was disappointed with the bulls, very plain.

milligan2 · 19-04-2020 10:32pm

Kept a fiston heifer off a Simmental cow and am very happy with her,she had a lim last year before her 2nd birthday and has a beautiful FWO heifer this year.
Great calver,fertile and has enough milk,a little belligerent thought

furandfeather · 19-04-2020 10:33pm

tanko wrote: »

Is Gunshot harder calved than average?
I think QCD breeds a good bull calf as well as a nice heifer.
Have you tried Curaheen Earp, i think he's a very good bull, nice heifers and good bulls off him.
Had some Derreen Declan calves last year, decent heifers but was disappointed with the bulls, very plain.

Gunshots figures suggest so but iv not calved him myself. Iv a few in the oven for next spring hopefully.
Cant bring myself to use earp as he looks like a rig of a bull in his picture, even though I know hes breeding well- I might convert in the future!

Who2 · 19-04-2020 10:38pm

I had gunshot on a two and a half year old sh. A bit of a pull but nothing major. I’m waiting on the same cow to calve at the moment and a little bit on the nervous side with the run I’m having with the last stock bull.

Who2 · 19-04-2020 10:41pm

furandfeather wrote: »

Gunshots figures suggest so but iv not calved him myself. Iv a few in the oven for next spring hopefully.
Cant bring myself to use earp as he looks like a rig of a bull in his picture, even though I know hes breeding well- I might convert in the future!

Earp has bred some savage heifers with a lad I know, is he still available? For some reason I thought he was gone.

tanko · 19-04-2020 10:45pm

furandfeather wrote: »

Gunshots figures suggest so but iv not calved him myself. Iv a few in the oven for next spring hopefully.
Cant bring myself to use earp as he looks like a rig of a bull in his picture, even though I know hes breeding well- I might convert in the future!

That pic is bad alrite but i wouldn't definitely wouldn't judge him on it.
Have a couple of Frosty King calves this year, like the look of them, have you tried him or Direct Debit?

Donegalforever · 19-04-2020 11:02pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Hi all, looking for some advice re Dovea Simmental sires, I’ve a mature chx cow that I’d like to try a Simmental on and her daughter a second calver. Looking for replacements. Have no real experience of Simmentals so any advice is appreciated. Knowing my luck though it will be two bulls:D

I served an AAx with Dovea Islavale Cracker 11 (ISL) with the hope of getting a heifer that I would keep for breeding.
Produced a very good type calf - Red and white bull.

furandfeather · 19-04-2020 11:04pm

tanko wrote: »

That pic is bad alrite but i wouldn't definitely wouldn't judge him on it.
Have a couple of Frosty King calves this year, like the look of them, have you tried him or Direct Debit?

Had one direct debit, nice heifer calf out of a Dickens heifer. Sold the outfit so I dunno how she turned out

Billybigbollox · 19-04-2020 11:12pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What are the heifers like for height and width at the hips
That’s the only concern I’d have

They are tall with good lenght and wide heifers.Have another yellow fsz heifer off an ozs lm but she is not as long as those off the saler cows.
Normally dont keep charolais for replacements but because off good salers I might try them.

Hard Knocks · 19-04-2020 11:21pm

Billybigbollox wrote: »

They are tall with good lenght and wide heifers.Have another yellow fsz heifer off an ozs lm but she is not as long as those off the saler cows.
Normally dont keep charolais for replacements but because off good salers I might try them.

Great cross to LM or BB

Billybigbollox · 19-04-2020 11:23pm

tanko wrote: »

Are they quiet? I've had a few of them here that were bloody wild, not all of them but some of them. I've heard other people say this about Fiston calves too.
I wouldn't think he'd be a great bull to keep heifers off but if you couldn't keep them off Saler cows you wouldn't keep them off anything.
Only one Fiston calf here this year, a bull of an ION X CH cow, not the biggest but lovely shape and muscle to him, i plan to use him a good bit this year.

Yes they are quiet. We've had about 30 fiston calves and none have been wild.Some u can lay a hand on them easily but they are used to being handled.
I think you need to use him on cows with a bit of muscle in them like a 3/4 lim or salers. Tends to throw plain calves off plain cows.
Using clenagh mischief on mature cows this year along with Fiston

essgee268 · 20-04-2020 12:35am

Who2 wrote: »

I’ve a gunshot heifer here. She has the makings of a really good cow. Very deep and what I’d class as an ideal cow maker type. I’ve used two simmentals this year, seafort gill on taller type heifers and dereen jack on lower set heifers. Anyone any knowledge of either one?

Dereen Jack seems to be doing the business have a very smart bull calf here, Breeder is friend of mine and breeds great cattle

farming93 · 20-04-2020 3:04pm

Have a fifty cent heifer 13 months old around 480kg to 500kg. Yet to see her cycling. I want to put a straw in her around the end of May but am getting worried she's not coming around. Also I have a p. B limo heifer around 17 months that isn't coming around. Anyone think of a reason why they wouldn't be coming around? All other cows/heifers are cycling fine.

tanko · 20-04-2020 3:56pm

farming93 wrote: »

Have a fifty cent heifer 13 months old around 480kg to 500kg. Yet to see her cycling. I want to put a straw in her around the end of May but am getting worried she's not coming around. Also I have a p. B limo heifer around 17 months that isn't coming around. Anyone think of a reason why they wouldn't be coming around? All other cows/heifers are cycling fine.

Is it possible that they could be in calf already?
If you were sure they aren't in calf you could give them a shot of estrumate, if that doesn't work maybe scan them.

farming93 · 20-04-2020 4:07pm

tanko wrote: »

Is it possible that they could be in calf already?
If you were sure they aren't in calf you could give them a shot of estrumate, if that doesn't work maybe scan them.

No definetly not in calf, I've no bull and the fencing is good as well. I might go with the estrumate I was actually considering it. I actually bought in a pedigree maiden heifer who's looking like she's in calf.. Never seen her around in 8.5 months, now she's springing. I'm happy enough either way she'll be in calf to a pedigree limo bull and she's 24months old now.

High bike · 20-04-2020 7:16pm

13 mts is young enough a lot of heifers don’t come in till 15 16 mts here anyway,the other lady should be showing signs at this stage though

Donegalforever · 20-04-2020 8:09pm

farming93 wrote: »

Have a fifty cent heifer 13 months old around 480kg to 500kg. Yet to see her cycling. I want to put a straw in her around the end of May but am getting worried she's not coming around. Also I have a p. B limo heifer around 17 months that isn't coming around. Anyone think of a reason why they wouldn't be coming around? All other cows/heifers are cycling fine.

I would put a CIDR or PRID Hormone coil in her.
Then inject her 7 days later with Estrumate or whatever alternative hormone injection your vet stocks.
Remove the coil on the eight day.
She is likely to come on heat 2 - 4 days later.

furandfeather · 20-04-2020 8:54pm

farming93 wrote: »

No definetly not in calf, I've no bull and the fencing is good as well. I might go with the estrumate I was actually considering it. I actually bought in a pedigree maiden heifer who's looking like she's in calf.. Never seen her around in 8.5 months, now she's springing. I'm happy enough either way she'll be in calf to a pedigree limo bull and she's 24months old now.

As far as I know estrumate wont work unless they're cycling already

Who2 · 20-04-2020 9:05pm

furandfeather wrote: »

As far as I know estrumate wont work unless they're cycling already

Does it not help to get them started cycling?

furandfeather · 20-04-2020 9:10pm

Who2 wrote: »

Does it not help to get them started cycling?

I'm no expert but I thought that they had to be cycling for estrumate to have any effect

tanko · 20-04-2020 9:29pm

I've never seen a shot of estrumate fail to get a maiden heifer bulling, have used it on cows with some success also but CIDR's or the like work better on cows i find.