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Nibiru........True or False??!!

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    #242
    Talk E
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    Just for kicks.. :D

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1520234/pg1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dxNKU8rws




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    #243
    Monty Burnz
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    I find this call really sad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRc5AYJsEno


    She's after buying a farm and probably turned her life on her head because she seems to believe every single CT going.

    Also, notice how she claims that NASA is hiding a disaster from us, and then if the disaster doesn't come, she's going to blame NASA for making us think that they are hiding something. :confused:

    So if I say that there's nothing coming over the hill, you accuse me of lying. But then you go and check yourself that there's nothing coming, and you come back and blame me for making you think there's something.

    Anyway, it made me feel sorry for the poor woman - she's a nervous wreck and miserable over something that almost certainly won't happen, and if it did happen then there's nothing you can do about it anyway. :(

    (this was linked by Youtube from the previous video)


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    #244
    Talk E
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    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/127658362.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Dec+30%2C+1983&author=By+Thomas+O%27Toole+Washington+Post+Staff+Writer&pub=The+Washington+Post++%281974-Current+file%29&edition=&startpage=A1&desc=Mystery+Heavenly+Body+Discovered

    Washington Post 1983:
    By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

    A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
    that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
    Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.
    That's all you get from their site unless you pay for the full archived article. The rest is from other sites. It's authenticity cant be confirmed by me at least. Though I think it's safe to assume it's genuine.

    EDIT: Link to image of article. http://www.google.ie/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9vcHzZREle4/TXfy4faiKrI/AAAAAAAAARI/qz4I0LZFA5M/WashPostPLanetX-1983.jpg&sa=X&ei=jEnuTaiFEoeXhQfq7eCbCQ&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEcWIIaGkid0jwwrPt_z5QaxNJO4g


    So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
    nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
    it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of
    the light cast by its stars ever gets through.

    "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
    scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
    for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

    The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and
    has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous
    planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a
    great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
    that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.
    "If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of
    Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the
    IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists
    would even begin to classify it."

    The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from
    last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its
    telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six
    months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
    near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

    "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've
    observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved
    if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have
    moved in six months time."

    Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40
    degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope
    aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are
    only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

    When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as
    50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.
    "It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much
    cold water as I can."

    Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the
    solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain.
    It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot
    enough like the sun to become a star.

    While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that
    they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant
    galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its
    starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

    "I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe
    before," Neugebauer said.

    "If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how
    the universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

    The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it
    with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro
    del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in
    California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough
    and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite
    has pinpointed its position.


    December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition
    The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles


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    #245
    robtri
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    nice article Talk E......

    the article was written in 1983.... what ever happened to it???


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    #246
    Talk E
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    robtri wrote: »
    nice article Talk E......

    the article was written in 1983.... what ever happened to it???

    It was buried.


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    #247
    Monty Burnz
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    Talk E wrote: »
    It was buried.
    The planet or the article? :pac:


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    #248
    Talk E
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    The planet or the article? :pac:

    The idea that Nibiru or the likes of it; exist. :)


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    #249
    King Mob
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    Talk E wrote: »
    The idea that Nibiru or the likes of it; exist. :)
    But what exactly is stopping people from looking up at the sky and seeing this object?

    If it's to pass by us next year it will be the brightest thing in the sky.


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    #250
    Talk E
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    King Mob wrote: »
    But what exactly is stopping people from looking up at the sky and seeing this object?

    If it's to pass by us next year it will be the brightest thing in the sky.


    If it's absolute freezing point, and black, it wouldn't be bright. Did you read the article ?:rolleyes:

    I mean... I'm not making this up. Some "SCIENTIST" (you should like that), discovered it. So it's science Mob SCIENCE. Thats totally your bag right ?

    Maybe he discovered it and then said.. "nah, it must have been a dream" :pac:

    More likely, he discovered it and was told to STFU.
    "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
    scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
    for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview    .


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    #251
    King Mob
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    Talk E wrote: »
    If it's absolute freezing point, and black, it wouldn't be bright. Did you read the article ?:rolleyes:
    Well for one there's no such thing as "absolute freezing point".
    There's a freezing point and there's absolute zero, but they're not the same thing. And if the thing is made of matter it cannot be at absolute zero.
    And even then it being at absolute zero would have no effect on whether it's visible or not. And if it was at absolute zero, it couldn't have be observed on an infra-red telescope as described in the article you posted.
    You might think you can slam words together like technobabble in star trek, but unfortunately there's people who do actually understand the words you're using.
    Talk E wrote: »
    I mean... I'm not making this up. Some "SCIENTIST" (you should like that), discovered it. So it's science Mob SCIENCE. Thats totally your bag right ?
    So what about the scientists who have explicitly said that Nibiru is nonsense?
    Why is this scientist telling the truth while the others must be lying?
    Talk E wrote: »
    Maybe he discovered it and then said.. "nah, it must have been a dream" :pac:

    More likely, he discovered it and was told to STFU.
    Or maybe he just made a mistake in his observations and jumped the gun by announcing it in the media, then Cters desperate for any evidence to support their fictional planet jumped on it unquestioningly.


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    #252
    Talk E
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Well for one there's no such thing as "absolute freezing point".
    There's a freezing point and there's absolute zero, but they're not the same thing. And if the thing is made of matter it cannot be at absolute zero.
    And even then it being at absolute zero would have no effect on whether it's visible or not. And if it was at absolute zero, it couldn't have be observed on an infra-red telescope as described in the article you posted.

    I meant to say absolute zero, simple error.

    They can use infrared satellites to spot cold bodies if they use supercold helium. The body was said to be no more than 40 degrees above absolute zero.

    Perhaps some folk do understand this better than myself but you are not one of them. If the "thing" is matter, it can indeed be absolute zero. :rolleyes:
    King Mob wrote: »
    You might think you can slam words together like technobabble in star trek, but unfortunately there's people who do actually understand the words you're using.

    Again, it's not you as you have just proved, yourself.:pac:
    King Mob wrote: »
    So what about the scientists who have explicitly said that Nibiru is nonsense?
    Why is this scientist telling the truth while the others must be lying?

    Some lie, some tell the truth. Are you suggesting this one is lying ?
    I bet if you asked him today he would deny this article, then he'd be lying.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Or maybe he just made a mistake in his observations and jumped the gun by announcing it in the media, then Cters desperate for any evidence to support their fictional planet jumped on it unquestioningly.

    In the interest of fairness I just came across this article which I am guessing you came across too. So I retract the earlier news article, for now. Though the part in bold I find rather questionable to say the least.
    IRAS did not see Nibiru, Planet X, or anything of the sort, despite the claims of the doomcriers. Of course, they now claim that NASA is clamping down on the press for Planet X. The original Post article, they say, was hastily retracted due to pressure from the NASA thugs. Of course, the doomcriers have absolutely no evidence of this (because, of course, this claim is wrong), but they continue to state it as if it is fact. It is nothing of the sort. They like to make claims like this for many reasons: it generates an "us vs. them" mentality, which is great for conspiracies, and it helps sell books and/or videos. But it's wrong at best and a lie at worst.
    http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html


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    #253
    King Mob
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    Talk E wrote: »
    I meant to say absolute zero, simple error.

    They can use infrared satellites to spot cold bodies if they use supercold helium. The body was said to be no more than 40 degrees above absolute zero.
    But you said:
    If it's absolute freezing point, and black, it wouldn't be bright.
    So you're now saying it's not at absolute zero?
    Talk E wrote: »
    Perhaps some folk do understand this better than myself but you are not one of them. If the "thing" is matter, it can indeed be absolute zero. :rolleyes:
    Again, it's not you as you have just proved, yourself.:pac:
    But if it's a body close to the Sun, cosmologically speaking, it's being heated by it, therefore it cannot be at absolute zero.
    Talk E wrote: »
    Some lie, some tell the truth. Are you suggesting this one is lying ?
    I bet if you asked him today he would deny this article, then he'd be lying.
    And you've avoided the question as usual.
    Why do you think he was telling the truth in that article?
    Talk E wrote: »
    In the interest of fairness I just came across this article which I am guessing you came across too. So I retract the earlier news article, for now. Though the part in bold I find rather questionable to say the least.


    http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html
    You did read the very next lines right?
    Of course, the doomcriers have absolutely no evidence of this (because, of course, this claim is wrong), but they continue to state it as if it is fact. It is nothing of the sort. They like to make claims like this for many reasons: it generates an "us vs. them" mentality, which is great for conspiracies, and it helps sell books and/or videos. But it's wrong at best and a lie at worst.


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    #254
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    Talk E wrote: »
    If the "thing" is matter, it can indeed be absolute zero. :rolleyes:

    You're wrong. Matter can't be at absolute zero. Matter can, theoretically, be a few degrees or even fractions of a degree above absolute zero, but not at absolute zero.


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    #255
    Talk E
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    gvn wrote: »
    You're wrong. Matter can't be at absolute zero. Matter can, theoretically, be a few degrees or even fractions of a degree above absolute zero, but not at absolute zero.


    Name something that is absolute zero and I'll tell you if it's matter or not. :D


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