Gerry and Kate Mcann promoting Book on Late Late next week

bad2dabone · 06-05-2011 11:09pm

cassid wrote: »

I feel sorry for poor little Maddie, whatever has happened to the little pet.

As a mum of a 2 & 4 yr old, I could never leave my children on their own, my 4 yr old would have a heart attack if he woke up and discovered we were not around and the 2 yr old would have a field day destroying everything. Children this age are just too young to be left unsupervised and thats the part I don't understand.

totally agree. It just makes no sense to me.

Einhard · 06-05-2011 11:09pm

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Only if you're a bit mental does it do the opposite.

Well you're the one with the infatutaion with lamps!;)

It does the opposite in some respects, because the vehemence of the reaction here led me to expect some form of "smoking gun" evidence showing the McCanns exploiting their daughter's disappearance for gross personal profit. Yet, what I'm presented with is the fact that approx £10k of their mortgage wa spaid off in the months after their child's disapperance. If that's the standard of evidence on which the other charges are laid, then it does actually lead me to believe that the charges have little credence.

As I said, I'm willing to change my mind, but not on such a flimsy basis.

Terry · 06-05-2011 11:12pm

dark crystal wrote: »

I see there are people here quick to blame Maddie's parents for profiteering from her disappearance - yet, on this same forum, there are people defending John Venables right to privacy. Only on AH could you have people slating the McCanns and defending the rights of a child killer.

I suspect the McCanns would pay any amount of money to have their beautiful daughter back and they undoubtedly spend countless hours of every day wishing they could go back to that evening and change what they did that night.

Laying the blame with a pair of grieving parents is beyond disgusting - no parent should ever have to go through that pain. No parent is perfect; we all make mistakes. I certainly don't begrudge those people one cent, when the likes of Venables get hundreds of thousands of tax payers money to protect them. If you don't agree with the McCanns choices, don't buy the book.

I hope beyond hope these poor people eventually get some closure on what happened to their child. I too would spend every cent I had searching for my child if I was in their situation.

I disagree.
You don't leave a 3 year old child alone in a foreign country.
Actually, you don't leave a 3 year old alone anywhere.

Yes, we all feel sorry for the chld, but the parents were negligent.
They do not deserve any sympathy.

ilovelamp2000 · 06-05-2011 11:14pm

Einhard wrote: »

Well you're the one with the infatutaion with lamps!;)

It does the opposite in some respects, because the vehemence of the reaction here led me to expect some form of "smoking gun" evidence showing the McCanns exploiting their daughter's disappearance for gross personal profit. Yet, what I'm presented with is the fact that approx £10k of their mortgage wa spaid off in the months after their child's disapperance. If that's the standard of evidence on which the other charges are laid, then it does actually lead me to believe that the charges have little credence.

As I said, I'm willing to change my mind, but not on such a flimsy basis.

You've been shown three ways in which they've made money out of it.

1. Using money for purposes other than what it was raised for.

2. Libel award - which wasn't their own doing but they did benefit.

3. a nice book deal.

If you want to continue to ignore the facts, go ahead.

bad2dabone · 06-05-2011 11:15pm

The child deserves sympathy. The parents, deserve a trial to be honest.

dark crystal · 06-05-2011 11:17pm

Terry wrote: »

Everyone feels sorry for the child, but nobody is willing to point out that the parents are responsible for her disappearance.

No, whoever took madeline from her bed was responsible for her disappearance.
This incident could have happened while they were sleeping in their bed.

Yes, they probably shouldn't have left them alone, but I suspect they didn't in their wildest dreams, think someone would snatch their child from their bed in a holiday resort, yards from where they were sitting.

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, as they say.

MistyCheese · 06-05-2011 11:17pm

Einhard wrote: »

Well you're the one with the infatutaion with lamps!;)

Someone hasn't seen Anchorman

mikemac · 06-05-2011 11:18pm

What is it with tabloids and names?

The McCanns never used Maddie, their daughter was called Madeline and you'll see that in any interview or quote. Even tonights LLS
Same as Mrs Bulger called her son James, the tabloids changed it to Jamie

Ok, not a huge point but I'm sure if there is another unfortunate case the tabloids will immediately change the names and run with it.
And then that's what people go with, including this thread

ilovelamp2000 · 06-05-2011 11:19pm

btw - am I the only one who looks at Kate McCann and thinks: "I would"

phasers · 06-05-2011 11:21pm

feelingstressed wrote: »

What is it with tabloids and names?

The McCanns never used Maddie, their daughter was called Madeline and you'll see that in any interview or quote. Even tonights LLS
Same as Mrs Bulger called her son James, the tabloids changed it to Jamie

Ok, not a huge point but I'm sure if there is another unfortunate case the tabloids will immediately change the names and run with it.
And then that's what people go with, including this thread

Catchier headlines. Apparently Kate Middleton is normally called Catherine but the DM changed it.

Aoifey! · 06-05-2011 11:22pm

feelingstressed wrote: »

What is it with tabloids and names?

The McCanns never used Maddie, their daughter was called Madeline and you'll see that in any interview or quote. Even tonights LLS
Same as Mrs Bulger called her son James, the tabloids changed it to Jamie

Ok, not a huge point but I'm sure if there is another unfortunate case the tabloids will immediately change the names and run with it.
And then that's what people go with, including this thread

The more child-like name gets more immediate sympathy I guess. Although it is a bit sad that children like that are remembered by a name that was never really theirs.

Einhard · 06-05-2011 11:22pm

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

You've been shown three ways in which they've made money out of it.

1. Using money for purposes other than what it was raised for.

I've addressed this. £10k paid off their mortgage in the 6 month period after the disappearance of their child? During which they were not only out of work, but living in a foreign country. I'm sorry, but that is not evidence for the gross profiteering which has been claimed.

2. Libel award - which wasn't their own doing but they did benefit.

I've seen no evidence for this, beyond the fact that libel was awarded. Did they personally benefit from it? Did they give it to charity. Contribute it to their Find Maddie fund?

Incidentally, if I were wrongly accused in the media of killing a child, let alone my own, and was awared damages, would you accuse me of greed and exploitation if I decided to keep it?

3. a nice book deal.

Again, have they pocketed this? Or does it go to the fund they set up?

If you want to continue to ignore the facts, go ahea

I'm questioning the opinions that you and others present. In one instance, the supposed paying off of their mortgage, that questioning has been entirely justified. So far, I've seen nothing to justify the vehemence of the "profiteering" accusations, and nothing really to back them up.

Einhard · 06-05-2011 11:25pm

MistyCheese wrote: »

Someone hasn't seen Anchorman

I have. I just want to know does he really love the lamp, or is he just saying that because he saw it.

Terry · 06-05-2011 11:29pm

dark crystal wrote: »

No, whoever took madeline from her bed was responsible for her disappearance.
This incident could have happened while they were sleeping in their bed.

Yes, they probably shouldn't have left them alone, but I suspect they didn't in their wildest dreams, think someone would snatch their child from their bed in a holiday resort, yards from where they were sitting.

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, as they say.

The child would have had a chance were there an adult looking after her.
However, there was not.

Any child is at risk of abduction. It doesn't matter who they are, who their parents are, or where they live.
What does matter is that children need constant protection.

That child did not have any adults protecting her.
No parent should ever leave their child alone.

I'm leaving it at that for the moment. I'm right, and they were wrong.
If you want to continue this, then I'll play my trump card.
I'm going to win this argument either way.

El Weirdo · 06-05-2011 11:30pm

Aoifey! wrote: »

The more child-like name gets more immediate sympathy I guess. Although it is a bit sad that children like that are remembered by a name that was never really theirs.

Don't forget the 'ol blue eyes and blonde hair. Great selling point.

Hundreds of missing kids but because the majority of them seem to come from poor/ethnic backgrounds, they are largely ignored by the media. Disgusting.

And now this pair are selling a book to make a few quid on the back of their kid's disappearance? They make me sick.

dark crystal · 06-05-2011 11:32pm

Terry wrote: »

I disagree.
You don't leave a 3 year old child alone in a foreign country.
Actually, you don't leave a 3 year old alone anywhere.

Yes, we all feel sorry for the chld, but the parents were negligent.
They do not deserve any sympathy.

You know, this reminds me of the case where the Chamberlains in Australia were villified by the press and public for leaving their baby daughter alone in a tent whilst they ate barbeque nearby. The child was then dragged off by a dingo and they were put on trial for manslaughter by the police, who blamed them for concocting such a ludicrous story.

Of course, people were so quick to judge their parenting abilities, it never occured to them that they may be innocent, grieving parents thrown to the wolves by the press and the baying mob, simply for the committing the crime of leaving their child on it's own temporarily whilst they ate dinner as their child slept, as they thought, safely. She was jailed, later to be pardoned, when the story turned out to be true.

Of course, my heart goes out to Maddie, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge her parents as others are. As parents, we all make judgement calls - most are sound; others not so much. the McCanns don't strike me as bad parents at all. I'm sure they feel guiltier than anyone else could ever make them feel.

I'd be much quicker to direct my accusations at whoever kidnapped the child, rather than the grieving parents left forever to pick up the pieces and regret that evening 'till the day they die.

Wibbs · 06-05-2011 11:33pm

Terry wrote: »

I disagree.
You don't leave a 3 year old child alone in a foreign country.
Actually, you don't leave a 3 year old alone anywhere.

Yes, we all feel sorry for the chld, but the parents were negligent.
They do not deserve any sympathy.

This in a big way. I'm not paternal in the slightest, but leaving a 3 year old child alone so you can chug a few beers and stuff your faces? Yea in 90% of cases it's not going to to result in a tragedy, but... No, seriously no. You're an adult and a parent, you look after the vulnerable, not sidetrack them for a 2 course tapas. Of course they were negligent. But T, be careful, "victims" these days are all the same and victimhood is sacrosanct, never requiring responsibility. Oh no doubt there will be comeback along the lines of "oh but I feel so guilty now *sob sob*", yea to little too late IMH. Answer one better to realise toddlers aren't to be left unsupervised and alone for hours.

bad2dabone · 06-05-2011 11:33pm

dark crystal wrote: »

No, whoever took madeline from her bed was responsible for her disappearance.

allegedly took her.

dark crystal wrote: »

This incident could have happened while they were sleeping in their bed.

Wouldn't have happened if the parents were actually being parents.

dark crystal wrote: »

Yes, they probably shouldn't have left them alone

you think? yeah, probably was a bad idea alright.

dark crystal wrote: »

, but I suspect they didn't in their wildest dreams, think someone would snatch their child from their bed in a holiday resort,

You don't leave 3 children under 4 years old alone because you think they'll be abducted, you keep the children close because kids that small can literally get up to anything to hurt/injure themselves. The irresponsibility of the parents was criminal.

dark crystal wrote: »

yards from where they were sitting.

120 yards. And out of sight.

dark crystal wrote: »

Hindsight is 20/20 vision, as they say.

Not being a pair of ****ing eejits and looking after the kids properly is better than hindsight

PinkFly · 06-05-2011 11:36pm

her parents werent arsed wat was happening to her when they were feeding their faces and havin a good time....
what hope had she got??
thats wat parents are for. they shudda protected all of their children and they failed...
they were very lucky it wasnt all of their children that went missing...
i will defo not be watching them next week....
for fear of ruinin my telly....
ill be listening to my son sleeping safely in bed...
the end.

Einhard · 06-05-2011 11:37pm

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

You've been shown three ways in which they've made money out of it.

1. Using money for purposes other than what it was raised for.

2. Libel award - which wasn't their own doing but they did benefit.

3. a nice book deal.

If you want to continue to ignore the facts, go ahead.

BTW, could you provide a link to this libel award of theirs? I've checked myself, and all I can find is some articles from january 2010, in which the McCann's state that they are confident of winning the case. Thusfar, there doesn't appear to have been a judgement. Somewhat difficult to profit from damages that haven't even been awarded yet...

Aishae · 06-05-2011 11:37pm

the questions that always seemed to be there: how is it that the twins never woke up when it happened - whatever it was?
and if it was abduction then why did they take madeleine and not the twins? or maybe a twin as they were younger.
there was never evidence of forced entry - why not?
her blood was found in the hire car and traces found in the flat, why? - kids hurt themselves but it leaves questions.

these are the types of questions that raise flags in peoples minds - perhaps the book explains it from the mcanns perspective although it doesnt seem likely they'll give out any information we dont have.

laura. · 06-05-2011 11:38pm

WindSock wrote: »

Him gibbering 'Maddie loves Dick' won't go down too well I'd imagine.

From a 'mod' too ... you should be ashamed of yourself.

Never in my life have i read a more disgusting thread, lets hope all your perfect worlds never come crashing down. And another thing, if ye are all such fab parents maybe you shoud write an effin book.

DONE

efb · 06-05-2011 11:40pm

Einhard wrote: »

BTW, could you provide a link to this libel award of theirs? I've checked myself, and all I can find is some articles from january 2010, in which the McCann's state that they are confident of winning the case. Thusfar, there doesn't appear to have been a judgement. Somewhat difficult to profit from damages that haven't even been awarded yet...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7303801.stm

ilovelamp2000 · 06-05-2011 11:41pm

Einhard wrote: »

BTW, could you provide a link to this libel award of theirs? I've checked myself, and all I can find is some articles from january 2010, in which the McCann's state that they are confident of winning the case. Thusfar, there doesn't appear to have been a judgement. Somewhat difficult to profit from damages that haven't even been awarded yet...

You're not looking hard enough then:

KATE and Gerry McCann accepted £550,000 libel damages today over allegations that they were responsible for the death of their daughter Madeleine.
The couple, who were not at London's High Court for the hearing, said they were pleased Express Newspapers had admitted the "utter falsity" of the articles.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-receive.3894432.jp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7303801.stm

PinkFly · 06-05-2011 11:42pm

laura. wrote: »

And another thing, if ye are all such fab parents maybe you shoud write an effin book.

DONE

whos claiming to be a fab parent???

common sense when making decisions

thats all

bad2dabone · 06-05-2011 11:43pm

laura. wrote: »

And another thing, if ye are all such fab parents maybe you shoud write an effin book.

Parenting:

Chapter 1:

Don't leave your 3 kids alone while you and your mates have a few beers and dinner. Take your kids with you in their buggies. Enjoy your meal and beers on the balcony of your apartment. Or, if you're a wealthy doctor couple and can afford it, hire a babysitter.

I think it's gonna be a bestseller!

Pedro K · 06-05-2011 11:44pm

laura. wrote: »

From a 'mod' too ... you should be ashamed of yourself.

Never in my life have i read a more disgusting thread, lets hope all your perfect worlds never come crashing down. And another thing, if ye are all such fab parents maybe you shoud write an effin book.

DONE

Not leaving 3 kids under the age of 4 alone while you wine and dine isn't being a 'fab' parent. It's just being a parent.

dark crystal · 06-05-2011 11:44pm

PinkFly wrote: »

her parents werent arsed wat was happening to her when they were feeding their faces and havin a good time....
what hope had she got??
thats wat parents are for. they shudda protected all of their children and they failed...
they were very lucky it wasnt all of their children that went missing...
i will defo not be watching them next week....
for fear of ruinin my telly....
ill be listening to my son sleeping safely in bed...
the end.

Look at every case of an abducted child ever recorded. You could make the case that every one of their parents were negligent in some way.

Why so quick to blame the parents instead of the perpotrators, all of whom make it their business to watch and strike when the parents aren't looking.

I honestly don't get the venom aimed at these people. Why lay the blame so squarely at their door??

bad2dabone · 06-05-2011 11:45pm

dark crystal wrote: »

Why lay the blame so squarely at their door??

because its their fault!

oh man, this is a slow one we got here!

Einhard · 06-05-2011 11:46pm

efb wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7303801.stm

Damn. My google must be broken.:o

I read that article though, and it states that the McCann's were going to donate the award towards the Find maddie campaign. How is that an act of gross profiteering? Is there evidence to suggest that they kept the money?

Also, people seem to be unwilling to accept that the papers involved apologised unreservedly for their stories, acknowledging that there was "no evidence whatsoever" to support their claims, and that Mr and Mrs McCann are "completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance".

I find it instructive that, when presented with this admission, people ignore it in order to focus on the payout, which, it seems, went straignt to the fund established to find Madeline. It appears to me that some people just want the McCann's to be guilty, and will cherry pick evidence to suit that agenda.

Again, I've seen nothing so far to support evidence of the McCann's profiteering from the disappearance of Maddie.

Gerry and Kate Mcann promoting Book on Late Late next week

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