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Except that's not quite true.EarlERizer wrote: »
However,it's still baffles the greatest minds of today as to how the Pyramids were built (both Egyptian & Astecs/Myans),Machu Pichu,Easter Island,Stone henge,feats that we're unable to replicate today unless we were to use modern day technologies,engineering,science which doesnt lend itself to understanding how ancient civilisations did it.
This fallacy comes up a lot here and it's instantly debunked with one video.
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GarlicBread wrote: »Wrong.
The FAA guy, John Callahan, presents the radar tapes and records on stage. Thats official hard FAA evidence of ufos going thousands of miles per hour. The CIA guys who briefed him afterward forgot to take the evidence away
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgNvVqMEFdI
I see him waving stuff around, has it been released?
He doesn't mention anything about thousands of miles an hour anyway
He describes a UFO incident which the CIA allegedly covered up. Sounds to me like some sort of military research that they don't want getting out. I'd take the description of "huge ball with lights running around it" with a pinch of salt. How close was it? He probably gave the best description he could without being able to discern every detail.EarlERizer wrote: »I'm of the same (or simular) mindset as you Dave but I do always wonder ,why would they do it? risk ridicule,social exclusion by their peers,subjected to been labelled 'cranks' & 'wierdo's' ,be laughed at by the majority & not taken seriously,why would anyone of good standing or elevated status put themselves through all that
......unless what they were saying was true or that they 100% beleived it to be.....I mean, would you take the 'risk' if you didnt whole heartedly believe you had seen/experienced something simular? I don't think I could.
But,like you ,I always ask "why,if they have it,cant we see this supposed evidence,why do we have to always wait for the right time? and when will that be?"
I'm sure that most are sincere, but they haven't presented any smoking gun evidence yet, so really all we have is people who witness anomalies or unexplained events, and believe they were aliens. In many cases I'd say the situation is that there is some sort of military research being conducted, or some sort of national security breach (like a foreign aircraft flying over the country), which the person isn't cleared to know about, and which the governments want to cover up. Once you see 'classified' or 'top secret', or have CIA agents trying to cover something up, then everyone's imagination runs wild if they're that way inclined. I don't think that an FAA official is immune to the conspiracy thinking that goes on in this forum, just as I don't think that a policeman or a pilot ('reliable witnesses') is immune to being mistaken in what they observe. They're human too.
Another possibility that came to mind is that some of these people simply believe in aliens, believe there's a cover-up, etc., and so in their mind fabricating a story, if it helps put pressure on governments to come clean, is in the grand scheme of things perfectly legitimate. Just an idea.0 -
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I see him waving stuff around, has it been released?
He doesn't mention anything about thousands of miles an hour anyway He describes a UFO incident which the CIA allegedly covered up. Sounds to me like some sort of military research that they don't want getting out. I'd take the description of "huge ball with lights running around it" with a pinch of salt. How close was it? He probably gave the best description he could without being able to discern every detail.
I'm sure that most are sincere, but they haven't presented any smoking gun evidence yet, so really all we have is people who witness anomalies or unexplained events, and believe they were aliens. In many cases I'd say the situation is that there is some sort of military research being conducted, or some sort of national security breach (like a foreign aircraft flying over the country), which the person isn't cleared to know about, and which the governments want to cover up. Once you see 'classified' or 'top secret', or have CIA agents trying to cover something up, then everyone's imagination runs wild if they're that way inclined. I don't think that an FAA official is immune to the conspiracy thinking that goes on in this forum, just as I don't think that a policeman or a pilot ('reliable witnesses') is immune to being mistaken in what they observe. They're human too.
Another possibility that came to mind is that some of these people simply believe in aliens, believe there's a cover-up, etc., and so in their mind fabricating a story, if it helps put pressure on governments to come clean, is in the grand scheme of things perfectly legitimate. Just an idea.
Heres the wiki page for the incident, a japanese cargo plane harassed by a giant flying wallnut, yes, a damn wallnut that was somthing like 4 times bigger than the plane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident
Heres John Callahan on camara again with the evidence in his hands close up. Towards the end of the clip they zoom in and you can see the files and stuff. Its real evidence, it really exists in his hands, full stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_w1OPgoR5M
The ufo was going thousands of miles per hour becuase it was appearing and disappearing from the left and right of the plane to many miles in front of it in the space of 4 - 5 seconds.
The japanese pilot was tramatized and when he told the truth his mental health was brought into question. He had 29 years experience flying. He saw the ufo out the front of the window, and there were two smaller ones aswell. The radar showed it being there and it was cross coroborated with tho co-pilot and control room people working on the ground. Watch this clip from a documentary about it, its a reinactment, its gives a good account of the event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMn1PiNZfkU
This case was picked by the disclosure project because its a proven case with multiple witnesses. It will not be explained away by saying that they were just imagining it. It deserves a critical eye yes, but it also deserves some deep thought about what or who was flying around in a giant wallnut. The idea that the US military were producing these kind of craft in 1986 is not a viable theory.0 -
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Dr Carol Rosin ,Heavily involved with the disclosure project has been working on the "Space Treaty of 2011" with former Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell.She talks of different species in space and how they don't abduct people anymore.
She claims People in high places have information about all this.She also claims that she and others connected with the disclosure project had a 1 hour meeting with some ET's about this "peace treaty"
Now given the involvement the ruling class have with the disclosure project ,I'm gonna bet some species of "aliens" will not agree to this treaty, if you know what I mean!!;).And what happens next? Well I have my own ideas, but I'm saying nothing at the moment.The annoying thing is, she is the very woman that warned everyone in 2001 about the "last card" that would be played by governments to fool the public about the threat the ET's will pose to us.
The treaty is belowAstronaut and Aerospace Experts Introduce New Space Treaty
Proponents of the banning of space-based weaponry have drafted a Treaty which will ban space-based weapons and acknowledges the existence of extraterrestrial cultures.
Dr. Carol Rosin released the Outer Space Security and Development Treaty of 2011 during her presentation at the International UFO Congress held last weekend in Scottsdale, Arizona to a standing ovation. Dr. Rosin, an aerospace consultant, drafted the Treaty along with Dr. Scott Jones, a former senior aide to U.S. Senator Claiborne Pell, Apollo astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, former Boeing executive Abe Krieger, and retired naval Commander Will Miller.
Just last week the Associated Press covered a story regarding Pentagon leaders calling for the U.S. to strengthen the military in space, emphasizing the importance of satellites in waging war. They reported that General Kevin Chilton, recently retired from leading the U.S. Strategic Command, said, “We need to be thinking about how we would go into future conflicts and make sure that we unlevel [that] battlefield in our favor.” He said space has “become a critical part of every other [battlefield] domain.”
However, this new Treaty points out the huge costs, dangers, and threats to all on Earth and in Space from space-based weaponry, emphasizing that space-based weapons would block as Dr. Rosin says, “unlimited benefits and opportunities available to all humankind in areas of health, education, the economy, mutual security, energy, and the environment, from cooperative ventures in space.” This Treaty points out that peaceful, world cooperative civil, commercial, entrepreneurial and military ventures will help solve urgent and potential problems of human needs, our environment and energy, stimulate economies, jobs and profits, and build security systems based on collaboration rather than confrontation. Indigenous nations are parties to the treaty, which can be made a law with nine nation state signatories.
Taking a lead from the recent press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. where military officers testified that they were present when UFOs deactivated nuclear missiles, the Treaty goes on to state that, “to neutralize any missile or nuclear capability is in itself not a threat message, but does serve notice of our limited understanding of physics and the clearly dangerous consequences of continuing to use destructive technologies.” This sentiment is shared by the gentlemen who held the press conference.
Dr. Rosin stated, “This Treaty calls on nation state presidents to immediately become Signatories to this Treaty: to sign, ratify, and send it to the office of the UN Secretary General that is the Treaty Depositary. Participants in the International UFO Congress as well as all world citizens can send this Treaty to presidents as part of a grassroots Call to Action.”
The treaty in it’s entirety can be downloaded here
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Except that's not quite true.
This fallacy comes up a lot here and it's instantly debunked with one video.
that video is like comparing the size of an apple to the size of the moon. let him try and move these megaliths http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm this website publisher's comments are rediculous as to using 37,000 men to lift a megalith as there is no possible way for that many people to be close together or behind eachother to lift such a thing in the first place. but this just show's you the size some of these blocks are.0 -
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The biggest stone on the list is estimated at 1160 tonnes. The single guy in the video was moving a stone that weighed 40 tonnes. So the biggest in history was 30 times bigger. Not exactly apple/moon territorythat video is like comparing the size of an apple to the size of the moon. let him try and move these megaliths http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm this website publisher's comments are rediculous as to using 37,000 men to lift a megalith as there is no possible way for that many people to be close together or behind eachother to lift such a thing in the first place. but this just show's you the size some of these blocks are.
So if one guy can move 40 tonnes, it's not unreasonable to suggest that that 30 guys could have moved the biggest stone in history.
Edit: I watched the video again, and I think I misheard the weight of the block the first time: I think it's actually closer to 10 tonnes. So adjust all the numbers accordingly...0 -
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Except that's not quite true.
This fallacy comes up a lot here and it's instantly debunked with one video.
Thats a great vid and a very impressive peice of work indeed,It certainly gives some kind of technique to the building of the henges however I would like to see if he has a video for moving the same peices up an incline as with the building of the pyramids.
I dont doubt that man (enough of them) could achieve these feats,after all its just a structure and as some have said ,it's doable,the thing about the pryamids that strikes me is their perfect alignment,not only with eachother but with the stars above , and again with those of the Inca's n Astecs.0 -
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If one guy can move 10 tonne blocks by himself in his spare time I'm sure that a team of dedicated workers can figure out a good way to do it up a hill without resorting to magic.
without introducing ridiculous explanations like magic or aliens?
That's twice you've referred to 'magic' & 'aliens' , I dont recall claiming any such thing.
I apologize if I've been influenced by pseudo-historians , and again for my thinking not been in line with your obvious vast knowledge of everything to the contrary.
Atleast if anything,this thread has unearthed a source for all things we may need answers too.
In regard to my claim re: stonehenge/pyramids & the vide to debunk said claim,thanks for the hard evidence. 0 -
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