Monty Burnz wrote: » The problem with this logic is that it would only make those with money even more rich, as they could be the first to take advantage of any new technology. It would be like giving them total ownership of the next internet-like* breakthrough - the internet has meant that the quality of life of everyone with access has improved, and has made society wealthier and more efficient. If the elite had the choice, do you think that a) they would allow the 'new internet' technology 'out of the box'? (well they did before) b) would they like to take ownership of such technology if it existed? (I presume they would) *I don't mean improved network technology, I mean the next big thing that changes the way the world works
nullzero wrote: » That's an interesting point it must be said. There is always the possibilty that changing social factors etc really did precipitated our huge leap forward technologically. Perhaps saying that we were given a helping hand from who or whatever is undermining our own inate creativity and guile. The point is still fascinating and obviously merits some measure of consideration even from the most sceptical amongst us.
EarlERizer wrote: » Certainly,I wouldnt dismiss man's own creativity & guile,I couldn't,indeed over the centuries we made progress in fields of science,technology & engineering alot to the betterment of mankind but it seems that progress accelerated rapidly in the last 100 years ......we advance from generation to generation,passing down knowledge as we go but the world around us today is a vastily unrecognisable place to that of 50 yrs ago,even 25yrs ago.It just seems to have happened in such a short time scale compared to all that came before it.And i'm of the mind that the technologies & sciences we're exposed to today are not the absolutes that we possess. We have come along way from Orville & Wilbur Wright (1899) to putting exploratory machines on Mars (2004) and the permanently manned international space station in this past century. However,it's still baffles the greatest minds of today as to how the Pyramids were built (both Egyptian & Astecs/Myans),Machu Pichu,Easter Island,Stone henge,feats that we're unable to replicate today unless we were to use modern day technologies,engineering,science which doesnt lend itself to understanding how ancient civilisations did it. We all know that the ancients relied upon,put great faith in and worshipped the stars and the celestial gods,it's well documented in their writings/drawings right.......we just dont know why or how they did what they did and knew what they knew.
EarlERizer wrote: » However,it's still baffles the greatest minds of today as to how the Pyramids were built (both Egyptian & Astecs/Myans),Machu Pichu,Easter Island,Stone henge,feats that we're unable to replicate today unless we were to use modern day technologies,engineering,science which doesnt lend itself to understanding how ancient civilisations did it.
King Mob wrote: » Except that's not quite true. This fallacy comes up a lot here and it's instantly debunked with one video.
My name is URL wrote: » That video doesn't 'debunk' anything. All it does is provide a possible explanation, a good explanation it may be, but saying that the video 'instantly debunks' what EarlERizer says, is the fallacy. There is absolutely no archaeological evidence to show that the techniques employed in that video were used when building ancient structures.
...Stone henge,feats that we're unable to replicate today unless we were to use modern day technologies,engineering,science
King Mob wrote: » He said: And there's a guy replicating the feat using no modern day technologies,engineering,science. Hence debunked.
GarlicBread wrote: » Wrong. The FAA guy, John Callahan, presents the radar tapes and records on stage. Thats official hard FAA evidence of ufos going thousands of miles per hour. The CIA guys who briefed him afterward forgot to take the evidence away .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgNvVqMEFdI
EarlERizer wrote: » I'm of the same (or simular) mindset as you Dave but I do always wonder ,why would they do it? risk ridicule,social exclusion by their peers,subjected to been labelled 'cranks' & 'wierdo's' ,be laughed at by the majority & not taken seriously,why would anyone of good standing or elevated status put themselves through all that ......unless what they were saying was true or that they 100% beleived it to be.....I mean, would you take the 'risk' if you didnt whole heartedly believe you had seen/experienced something simular? I don't think I could. But,like you ,I always ask "why,if they have it,cant we see this supposed evidence,why do we have to always wait for the right time? and when will that be?"
My name is URL wrote: » How do you know for sure that he didn't use any modern technology, engineering or science? Is there any physical evidence whatsoever that the tools or techniques he used in the video were used in different cultures all over the world to build massive structures?
Dave! wrote: » I see him waving stuff around, has it been released? He doesn't mention anything about thousands of miles an hour anyway He describes a UFO incident which the CIA allegedly covered up. Sounds to me like some sort of military research that they don't want getting out. I'd take the description of "huge ball with lights running around it" with a pinch of salt. How close was it? He probably gave the best description he could without being able to discern every detail. I'm sure that most are sincere, but they haven't presented any smoking gun evidence yet, so really all we have is people who witness anomalies or unexplained events, and believe they were aliens. In many cases I'd say the situation is that there is some sort of military research being conducted, or some sort of national security breach (like a foreign aircraft flying over the country), which the person isn't cleared to know about, and which the governments want to cover up. Once you see 'classified' or 'top secret', or have CIA agents trying to cover something up, then everyone's imagination runs wild if they're that way inclined. I don't think that an FAA official is immune to the conspiracy thinking that goes on in this forum, just as I don't think that a policeman or a pilot ('reliable witnesses') is immune to being mistaken in what they observe. They're human too. Another possibility that came to mind is that some of these people simply believe in aliens, believe there's a cover-up, etc., and so in their mind fabricating a story, if it helps put pressure on governments to come clean, is in the grand scheme of things perfectly legitimate. Just an idea.
Astronaut and Aerospace Experts Introduce New Space Treaty Proponents of the banning of space-based weaponry have drafted a Treaty which will ban space-based weapons and acknowledges the existence of extraterrestrial cultures. Dr. Carol Rosin released the Outer Space Security and Development Treaty of 2011 during her presentation at the International UFO Congress held last weekend in Scottsdale, Arizona to a standing ovation. Dr. Rosin, an aerospace consultant, drafted the Treaty along with Dr. Scott Jones, a former senior aide to U.S. Senator Claiborne Pell, Apollo astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, former Boeing executive Abe Krieger, and retired naval Commander Will Miller. Just last week the Associated Press covered a story regarding Pentagon leaders calling for the U.S. to strengthen the military in space, emphasizing the importance of satellites in waging war. They reported that General Kevin Chilton, recently retired from leading the U.S. Strategic Command, said, “We need to be thinking about how we would go into future conflicts and make sure that we unlevel [that] battlefield in our favor.” He said space has “become a critical part of every other [battlefield] domain.” However, this new Treaty points out the huge costs, dangers, and threats to all on Earth and in Space from space-based weaponry, emphasizing that space-based weapons would block as Dr. Rosin says, “unlimited benefits and opportunities available to all humankind in areas of health, education, the economy, mutual security, energy, and the environment, from cooperative ventures in space.” This Treaty points out that peaceful, world cooperative civil, commercial, entrepreneurial and military ventures will help solve urgent and potential problems of human needs, our environment and energy, stimulate economies, jobs and profits, and build security systems based on collaboration rather than confrontation. Indigenous nations are parties to the treaty, which can be made a law with nine nation state signatories. Taking a lead from the recent press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. where military officers testified that they were present when UFOs deactivated nuclear missiles, the Treaty goes on to state that, “to neutralize any missile or nuclear capability is in itself not a threat message, but does serve notice of our limited understanding of physics and the clearly dangerous consequences of continuing to use destructive technologies.” This sentiment is shared by the gentlemen who held the press conference. Dr. Rosin stated, “This Treaty calls on nation state presidents to immediately become Signatories to this Treaty: to sign, ratify, and send it to the office of the UN Secretary General that is the Treaty Depositary. Participants in the International UFO Congress as well as all world citizens can send this Treaty to presidents as part of a grassroots Call to Action.” The treaty in it’s entirety can be downloaded here
Monty Burnz wrote: » But they are not baffled as in 'how the hell could they have done it?', they are baffled as to which of various techniques they used. They are very impressive pieces of work, but then humans are very ingenious (as demonstrated by trips to the moon, genetic engineering etc. etc.).
King Mob wrote: » Except that's not quite true. This fallacy comes up a lot here and it's instantly debunked with one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs
My name is URL wrote: » How do you know for sure that he didn't use any modern technology, engineering or science?
My name is URL wrote: » Is there any physical evidence whatsoever that the tools or techniques he used in the video were used in different cultures all over the world to build massive structures?
EarlERizer wrote: » Exactly,my point been that that's were we've gotten in the last 100 years since the Wright brothers first took flight. They are baffled by which techniques they used as each technique they suggested 'may have' been used is still a hugh task to undertake (in relation to the scale of what they built) even in todays world. I'm not saying my points or suggestions are absolute, all i'm saying is that it's an area for consideration and open minded thinking.The feats achieved way back then to what we are achieving in todays advanced technological world are amazing....so is the fact that inbetween the tie scale of building of such structures as the pyramids and the last 100 years there seems to be centuries of very slow 'progress' in man's amazing talents. But as i said, just my opinion,not saying its fact.
zenno wrote: » that video is like comparing the size of an apple to the size of the moon. let him try and move these megaliths http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm
zenno wrote: » this website publisher's comments are rediculous as to using 37,000 men to lift a megalith as there is no possible way for that many people to be close together or behind eachother to lift such a thing in the first place. but this just show's you the size some of these blocks are.
zenno wrote: » that video is like comparing the size of an apple to the size of the moon. let him try and move these megaliths http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm this website publisher's comments are rediculous as to using 37,000 men to lift a megalith as there is no possible way for that many people to be close together or behind eachother to lift such a thing in the first place. but this just show's you the size some of these blocks are.
King Mob wrote: » Because they show the entire process? And anything he did use modern technology for (like say sawing the wood, making the blocks) are all doable in the ancient world, just less efficiently. You mean wood, rocks and levers? Yes.
My name is URL wrote: » Look at the size of the platform he used to shift a relatively small rock. How come, with so many monolithic sights throughout the world, no such platform has ever been unearthed? Are there even any depictions of such things?.. they depicted just about everything else.
Monty Burnz wrote: » Presumably the platform was wooden? And the wood would be a valuable resource to re-use as fuel or whatever. When you say 'they' depicted just about everything else, who are you referring to?
nullzero wrote: » To be fair he made a valid point. Surely some evidence of such a platform would exist somewhere. I'm accustomed to the sceptics refering to the burdon of proof etc most of the time, surely you should apply that logic evenly?
My name is URL wrote: » Look at the size of the platform he used to shift a relatively small rock. How come, with so many monolithic sights throughout the world, no such platform has ever been unearthed?
My name is URL wrote: » Are there even any depictions of such things?.. they depicted just about everything else.
EarlERizer wrote: » Thats a great vid and a very impressive peice of work indeed,It certainly gives some kind of technique to the building of the henges however I would like to see if he has a video for moving the same peices up an incline as with the building of the pyramids.
EarlERizer wrote: » I dont doubt that man (enough of them) could achieve these feats,after all its just a structure and as some have said ,it's doable,the thing about the pryamids that strikes me is their perfect alignment,not only with eachother but with the stars above , and again with those of the Inca's n Astecs.
King Mob wrote: » If one guy can move 10 tonne blocks by himself in his spare time I'm sure that a team of dedicated workers can figure out a good way to do it up a hill without resorting to magic. without introducing ridiculous explanations like magic or aliens?
King Mob wrote: » So in what way are they aligned with each other that makes them impossible without introducing ridiculous explanations like magic or aliens?
Monty Burnz wrote: » I agree. But you can't expect to find pebbles and planks of wood lying around after 5000 years. By the same token, we know that people got to the Americas after the landbridge was broken and before Columbus arrived. If we can't find their wooden boats, I hope you would agree that it would be odd to assume that they got there in alien spaceships or by other supernatural means, and that it would be a lot more logical to assume that the wood was just lost to history.
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