Army looking for extra payment

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Poccington wrote: »

I think you'll find troops didn't get to go home.

Seriously, if you're gonna have a rant at least get the facts right.

Some got home in the evenings. Maybe they aren't the ones looking for a bonus payment though? What about the times where recruits are sent home shortly after arriving into work, for whatever reason? That happens too and they still get paid for that days work don't they?

Poccington

My name is URL wrote: »

Some got home in the evenings. Maybe they aren't the ones looking for a bonus payment though? What about the times where recruits are sent home shortly after arriving into work, for whatever reason? That happens too and they still get paid for that days work don't they?

Troops that got home aren't the ones who are supposed to get paid the ACA Allowance, PDFORRA is specifically looking for payment for troops who worked a 24 hour stint.

I don't know of any Recruits who got sent home early from work and I was one for 7 months? Recruits are confined to barracks 24/7 unless their Platoon Commander allows them to go home on a weekend pass.

GrumPy

Don't think they should get more pay. Anyone I know of who works for the defense forces in this country that are not based overseas, seem to have a dead handy little job!
Clearing snow and helping old people during the bad weather is putting men with nothing to do, to good use.

johnn

Cue the Dole scroungers coming onto this thread complaining about losing their 8euro :rolleyes:

Poccington

GrumPy wrote: »

Don't think they should get more pay. Anyone I know of who works for the defense forces in this country that are not based overseas, seem to have a dead handy little job!
Clearing snow and helping old people during the bad weather is putting men with nothing to do, to good use.

I have plenty to do, thank you very much.

johnnyk66

Why do we need an army???
We have lost our sovereignty, what is there to defend?

What work was carried out by the defence forces over the recent cold spell that could not have been carried out by any trained driver(in the case of transport) or any labourer(snow and ice clearance)?

The army a waste of money, get rid of it.

Local-womanizer

johnnyk66 wrote: »

What work was carried out by the defence forces over the recent cold spell that could not have been carried out by any trained driver(in the case of transport) or any labourer(snow and ice clearance)?.

Have you ever watched the news?

mikemac

johnnyk66 wrote: »

Why do we need an army???
We have lost our sovereignty, what is there to defend?

And you have the skills to defuse pipe bombs?
MacGyver just registered on boards.ie

Nodin

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Have you ever watched the news?

At a wild guess I'd say the response to that is

'Teh newz is what they want you to think'

..or a variation thereof.

lebanon vet

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Sure they don't actually do any work in this country anyway.
They get sent on peace keeping missions outside the country.

This first time they're actually doing something useful to the country they swore an oath to, and they want money for it ?

Might as well hire mercenaries.

sad!

lebanon vet

Poccington wrote: »

I think you'll find troops didn't get to go home.

Seriously, if you're gonna have a rant at least get the facts right.

its always the same ,ignorance is bliss.

Holybejaysus

I don't think I've ever seen a thread attract so many ill-informed idiots. Isn't it amazing the way people can have such a frenzied opinion without even bothering to arm themselves with a fact or two first? :rolleyes:

The DF did trojan work over the big freeze-just ask any of the patients or old people who had to be helped out with the 4x4's. Those who were out working should get the payment, no question.

Snake Plisken

I was thinking during the cold spell they could have got able bodied unemployed out to clear paths etc

Oranage2

Lol @ the army, they do nothing for 11 months now they have to do something and they p!ss and moan and want more money, Irish soldiers are useless and we should scrap them completely.

My name is URL

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I was thinking during the cold spell they could have got able bodied unemployed out to clear paths etc

lol, why? It'd cost more to do that than it would to use the already existing option. The army are equipped and able to deal with situations like that.

Yllut

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I was thinking during the cold spell they could have got able bodied unemployed out to clear paths etc

What happened in Cork when able bodied men wanted to grit the roads they were told no they would have to do a health and safety course in the new year.
:mad::mad:

Yllut

I think that most of the personal in the army would be proud to be seen out helping out in this emergency I know a few that served overseas and what I hear they think its only a few that are hungry for payment. They are proud men that honor their country but would be embarrassed about what is going on.
Its like the deafness only some sued.

Overheal

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I was thinking during the cold spell they could have got able bodied unemployed out to clear paths etc

Ireland is pretty socialist, don't get me wrong, but it's not quite that far yet.

MANUTD99

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF67Og6jQY0/YOUTUBE]

Nevermind the work they did in the snow. THIS is surely worth the extra few quid

Overheal

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Sure they don't actually do any work in this country anyway.
They get sent on peace keeping missions outside the country.

This first time they're actually doing something useful to the country they swore an oath to, and they want money for it ?

Might as well hire mercenaries.

You're right, the US should keep a Nimitz in Lake Michigan. :rolleyes: Defense Forces that act outside the border! Shock! Japan does this too so I hear. Peacekeeping can you imagine?! International Relations?

You're ignorant of what is useful to your Country, clearly.

They're not Entitled to more pay but it's been asked if they've earned it. This isn't like the Sanitation Dept. in NYC whom were entitled to Sunday OT pay when their state of emergency was declared. I suppose you feel the Defense Forces should be offered no consideration though, because they've sworn an Oath to the Country? Really?

Gosh, thats profound. I think I'll ask the President to veto the James Zadroga Bill then, those 9/11 First responders should have just been proud to serve their country: I think we'll let them deal with their own expenses? I suppose we should also freeze payroll for the Coast Guard? After all we already got them to swear an oath to defend our waters. Lets hold them to it!

Star Bingo

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Nevermind the work they did in the snow. THIS is surely worth the extra few quid

as was this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfJIgcv2SI

dangerousdavem

What a bunch of lazy pricks they are asking for more money. They need to just do their job and shut the **** up

mbiking123

Troops that got home aren't the ones who are supposed to get paid the ACA Allowance, PDFORRA is specifically looking for payment for troops who worked a 24 hour stint.

I don't know of any Recruits who got sent home early from work and I was one for 7 months? Recruits are confined to barracks 24/7 unless their Platoon Commander allows them to go home on a weekend pass.

Yes as far as I know people who worked an ordinary day clearing snow dont get this payment. It is people who had to stay in barracks on call or went out late at night driving etc etc. If you take that an ordinary day is 8 hours they then had 16 hours extra at work (away from home). To my knowledge a weekday duty allowance is 45 per day. So 45/16 = less than 3 euro an hour for extra hours worked. I dont know what amount they are looking for but army allowances are small compared to 'others'.

People may think they will be on extra time or time and a half or double time etc etc. DF dont get overtime, only an allowance. The 45 euro allowance is also taxed.

Recruits are only allowed home for special reasons or after about a month on weekend leave or a long weekend (bank holiday etc). Death or serious illness of immediate relative will allow a recruit to travel home on special leave. Recruits are only allowed annual leave after they pass out and therefore are no longer recruits so does not apply.

Terrontress

I think the problem with this thread is a lot of people are not aware of what the army actually does and what their terms of employment are, which other allowances are available, how many hours are worked in a standard week.

I've worked in several jobs in the private sector where there have been little allowances, the odd taxi paid for, ex gratia payments. I suspect many have. I don't see why people should begrudge that to soldiers. The payment exists, they should get it, fair play to them. If you've got an issue with that take it up with those who made the agreement.

There is a lot of ill will with conflicting viewpoints on here against soldiers. The only constant is the fact that the soldiers actually went out and rolled their sleeves and the public were glad to see them.

mbiking123

was thinking during the cold spell they could have got able bodied unemployed out to clear paths etc

yes and give them a job with proper pay even if it just temporary, thats what they are looking for. Most unemployed want a job, even just give them min wage. They would be glad of it.

get plenty of volunteers

Patrick2010

Yllut wrote: »

I think that most of the personal in the army would be proud to be seen out helping out in this emergency I know a few that served overseas and what I hear they think its only a few that are hungry for payment. They are proud men that honor their country but would be embarrassed about what is going on.
Its like the deafness only some sued.

Hardly only some....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/army-deafness-saga-finally-nears-an-end-2029321.html

Twenty years after it first emerged, the end of the Army deafness scheme saga is almost in sight after costing taxpayers €321m -- a third of which went to solicitors and barristers.
Defence Minister Willie O'Dea has said that 16,139 (or approximately 96 per cent) of 16,807 legal claims for Army deafness and personal injury have now been disposed of.
Not to mention those soldiers who sued for PSTD for having been shot at in the Lebannon. Surely when you join the army you expect you might get shot at sometime?

BostonB

Since overtime and/or allowance's are mainly stopped across much of the public sector. I wonder will these claims, start other unions/areas to request they be re-instated for working beyond their regular hours.

HellFireClub

BostonB wrote: »

Since overtime and/or allowance's are mainly stopped across much of the public sector. I wonder will these claims, start other unions/areas to request they be re-instated for working beyond their regular hours.

In fairness to the lads in the army, they are asked to put in the hours over and above what they get paid for and what they are providing then is esentially voluntary overtime. On the other hand, the Garda who gets paid double time on a Sunday to police the All Ireland Football Final, try asking him/her to work those hours for free and see the response you'd get.

mbiking123

Twenty years after it first emerged, the end of the Army deafness scheme saga is almost in sight after costing taxpayers €321m -- a third of which went to solicitors and barristers.
Defence Minister Willie O'Dea has said that 16,139 (or approximately 96 per cent) of 16,807 legal claims for Army deafness and personal injury have now been disposed of.

British Army advised government about this, and Paddy Irishman decided to save money and not buy hearing protection. How this turned out to be a false economy

No point blaming the army guys, they were not allowed to wear their own hearing protection if they bought it themselves. get's worse the more you hear of it !!!!!!!

I know of one guy who had serious hearing loss, he did stores work and went to range practice to take charge of bullets and keep track of what was being used etc. He ended up being on the firing range alot hence almost deaf now.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Hardly only some....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/army-deafness-saga-finally-nears-an-end-2029321.html

Twenty years after it first emerged, the end of the Army deafness scheme saga is almost in sight after costing taxpayers €321m -- a third of which went to solicitors and barristers.
Defence Minister Willie O'Dea has said that 16,139 (or approximately 96 per cent) of 16,807 legal claims for Army deafness and personal injury have now been disposed of.
Not to mention those soldiers who sued for PSTD for having been shot at in the Lebannon. Surely when you join the army you expect you might get shot at sometime?

See your tarring a lot of very young men with a very old brush.

Te vast majority of claiments were ex-soldiers who jumped on a band wagon of compensation culture which was rife across all sectors of the irish community.

The Defence Forces were issued with hearing protection in (if member serves) 1990 (1997 springs to mind too, so I coud be wrong) after which soldier's hearing were deemed sufficently protected from gunfire and no claims were entertained after this date.

Also after this date a hearing test was also introduced to the soldiers annual medical, as hearing loss fell within a certain frequency range ENT specialists could pin point hearing loss caused through gunfire.

Todays army is a young one, I don't know anyone presently serving who claimed for hearing loss and the vast majority currently serving have never had issue with the level of hearing protection issued to the soldier..

So stop trying to muddy the waters with this one, its old hat. So old in fact that the likes of Poccington wouldn't even have seen the claims in routine order's from Congo vet's looking for witnesses to their loss of hearing claims.

As for claims re. Post Traumatic Stress.. I've never known anyone in the army who claimed, and I've a little over 25yrs service here and oversea's.. Plus, up until the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000 without a shaddow of doubt each and every soldier who ever served in an Irish battalion up in the Lebanese hill's came under fire at one time or another - if we all claimed I'm safe in the knowledge the IMF would have been in here 10 years ago.

dangerousdavem wrote: »

What a bunch of lazy pricks they are asking for more money. They need to just do their job and shut the **** up

No member of boards.ie currently serving in the Defence Forces should have to read this, I don't accept that I'm a lazy prick and as such I've reported your post for personal abuse.