Gardai prepare plan for Queen's arrival

oldyouth

Does anyone not realise that Mrs Windsor is visiting Ireland as Head of State of a foreign country and not as our queen. Truly when she sets foot on our soil, independance shall have been achieved in the wider sense.

Welcome, pity it wasn't sooner

gurramok

KeithAFC wrote: »

So what? A lot people in N.I are as British as they are.

Yes maybe half do, ye don't live here down South of which the topic is about. Ye get your yearly visits from herself every year from which the security bill is sky high, we can't afford that now nor the resultant skanger riots.

Einhard

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I did not blame Love Ulster. I blamed the people who allowed the route.

So Love Ulster are not to be blamed, and yet you want to curtail their rights to free assembly. On the basis that some neanderthal "nationalists" attacked them? And in so doing, rewarding them for their thuggery. I know a lot of people who despise eirigi. Perhaps I should organise a posse the next time they stage a protest, attack them and generally trash the surrounding area. By your logic, they'd be forbidden from staging further public events, and I'd have got my way. Huzzah! Nothing like violence to get your own way!

I think you are being deliberately obtuse in order to cling on to what you must know is a double standard. To compare a nationalist/republican being assaulted while walking down a street by a gang of Loyalists and one being assaulted while openly thumbing their nose at a scene of carnage and murder perpetrated in their cause's name is simply dishonest and disingenuous.

I don't understand this. When did I make any such comparison?

If you would not block an IRA reunion party in Omagh or Enniskillen at the graveyard of the people they murdered, then all I can say is I'm glad you're not in charge of the PSNI.

I don't think civil liberties should be denied to people just because one doesn't like what stand for. Also, as I'm sure you know, Love Ulster haven't murdered or maimed anyone.

Love Ulster was a loyalist group wanting to march past the G.P.O. where several Irish people were murdered according to where you stand. The analogy stands.

Did Love Ulster Kill them? Eh no. You want to deny them the right to walk past the GPO because of an unfortunate incident which they had nothing to do with?! What a novel concept. We could ban all marches and protests according to that logic! "Hey teachers, you can't have a protest march down o'Connell St because someone was once killed there"! Brilliant...

K-9

gurramok wrote: »

Thought they were thick?

Our intelligent agencies know well they cannot withstand any violence by thousands of skangers within Dublin City nevermind die-hard dissidents who decide to riot.

I'd expect you as a Donegal resident do not realise the extent of the scum problem with Dublin city who will find any excuse like a British Queens visit down our main street to destroy the place.

Idiotic would be more like it.

You are giving justification for the attacks or violence.

What is it with you and personal assumptions, you did that on a single parent thread before too. I'm very familiar with scum in Dublin, we have a similar type in Donegal too. Why the need to personalise the debate?

storm2811

storm2811 wrote: »

I'm both a Belgian and Irish citizen, if I were to walk around wearing a Belgian flag instead of an Irish one would you be as angry?

Not at all, chances are, that a significant percentage of the population wouldn't even recognise the Belgian flag!

Einhard

gurramok wrote: »

Their presence provokes violence. You'd know that if you had knowledge of the conflict. Whether its through ignorance or deliberate obfuscation, you do not really care about the citizens of Dublin(though you are in Kilkenny)



They're not nationalists. FFS, do you know the conflict at all? Suppose you'd label the Nationalist SDLP as scum through your walter mitty type interpretation of events



Me? Yes, you irritate the average Irish person like me as you do not embrace our nation state but instead embrace our Unionist cousins flag.

Your last comment is despicable, i know no scumbag heavies to jump on you :mad:

This post is nonsense. And what exactly was the purpose of stating my location?

gurramok

K-9 wrote: »

Idiotic would be more like it.

You are giving justification for the attacks or violence.

What is it with you and personal assumptions, you did that on a single parent thread before too. I'm very familiar with scum in Dublin, we have a similar type in Donegal too. Why the need to personalise the debate?

Huh personalise?

Do you have junkies milling around injecting themselves in Donegal? Didn't think so.
Do you have thousands(no exaggeration population wise) tracksuit laden skangers roaming around Donegal who will stab anyone who is not one of them? Didn't think so.

Do you have a serious public safety problem from skangers there? Didn't think so

On saying that, Donegal is a lovely county just like Kilkenny.

Where i'm coming from is that outsiders of Dublin city who never live day day out here havent a clue of the social disorder problems here of which can manifest hugely when a parade by the British Queen is in full throttle. We're not talking die-hard republicans here but general scum merchants who use any excuse to cause mayhem.

And yes there is precedent, the riots of 2006 where scum here went on the rampage despite the Love Ulster extremist march not even been publicised in the media.(they came from the flats off Marlborough st.)

Einhard wrote:

This post is nonsense. And what exactly was the purpose of stating my location?

Not nonsense, see above.

K-9

gurramok wrote: »

Huh personalise?

Do you have junkies milling around injecting themselves in Donegal? Didn't think so.
Do you have thousands(no exaggeration population wise) tracksuit laden skangers roaming around Donegal who will stab anyone who is not one of them? Didn't think so.

Do you have a serious public safety problem from skangers there? Didn't think so

On saying that, Donegal is a lovely county just like Kilkenny.

Where i'm coming from is that outsiders of Dublin city who never live day day out here havent a clue of the social disorder problems here of which can manifest hugely when a parade by the British Queen is in full throttle. We're not talking die-hard republicans here but general scum merchants who use any excuse to cause mayhem.

And yes there is precedent, the riots of 2006 where scum here went on the rampage despite the Love Ulster extremist march not even been publicised in the media.(they came from the flats off Marlborough st.)



Not nonsense, see above.

The Guards will be well ready this time. Part of the problem last time was the easy going attitude taken at the time.

I think you are being a bit over dramatic there gurramok!

We had GTSQ sung in Croke Park and not a bother.

Einhard

gurramok wrote: »

Where i'm coming from is that outsiders of Dublin city who never live day day out here havent a clue of the social disorder problems here of which can manifest hugely when a parade by the British Queen is in full throttle. We're not talking die-hard republicans here but general scum merchants who use any excuse to cause mayhem.

The bit in bold is exactly what he means by the below. How the bloody hell do you know where any other poster has lived, or what experience they've had in life?!

Why the need to personalise the debate?

InTheTrees

oldyouth wrote: »

Does anyone not realise that Mrs Windsor is visiting Ireland as Head of State of a foreign country and not as our queen. Truly when she sets foot on our soil, independance shall have been achieved in the wider sense.

Welcome, pity it wasn't sooner

Thank you. Exactly how I feel.

gurramok

K-9 wrote: »

The Guards will be well ready this time. Part of the problem last time was the easy going attitude taken at the time.

I think you are being a bit over dramatic there gurramok!

We had GTSQ sung in Croke Park and not a bother.

Nothing wrong with GTSQ been sung by a visiting English Rugby(or soccer team).

The Gardai last time could not handle the verocity of the riot by local lads bent on mayhem. To give you an insight, that type of stuff on a lesser scale goes on in a weekly basis in less than welcoming suburbs here. I very doubt that goes on in Donegal!.;)

Einhard wrote: »

The bit in bold is exactly what he means by the below. How the bloody hell do you know where any other poster has lived, or what experience they've had in life?!

Huh? Are you saying Kilkenny is like Dublin? Oh ffs. Where do we start here, Dublin has a mini-bad Limerick inside it with a big magnitude due to a high population.

I've been to Kilkenny many a time and I socialise with Kilkenny folk and what goes on in Kilkenny is no match for what goes on in the worst parts of Dublin.

That said, I do not want skangerville here taking advantage of a high profile event hence my sincere opposition to a parade by a British Queen as it will be bloody hijacked by Anto from the flats. She should keep a visit low key with perhaps a visit to the President and a function in the depths of Foxrock.

storm2811

gurramok wrote: »

No. Belgium never invaded and violently oppressed Ireland.

Yes but you were implying that you'd be angry at someone for wearing or using another flag rather than the Irish one, regardless of their past.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at all, chances are, that a significant percentage of the population wouldn't even recognise the Belgian flag!

:pac: Often mixed up with Germany's one alright!

Einhard

gurramok wrote: »

Huh? Are you saying Kilkenny is like Dublin? Oh ffs. Where do we start here, Dublin has a mini-bad Limerick inside it with a big magnitude due to a high population.

I've been to Kilkenny many a time and I socialise with Kilkenny folk and what goes on in Kilkenny is no match for what goes on in the worst parts of Dublin.

*Sighs*

No. I'm saying I'ved lived in Dublin for years!!! And you shouldn't presume to know things about people that you've never met!!

KevR

gurramok wrote: »

I'd expect you as a Donegal resident do not realise the extent of the scum problem with Dublin city who will find any excuse like a British Queens visit down our main street to destroy the place.

There is no excuse for causing damage to our capital city, none!

Anyone arrested or identified on CCTV as causing trouble should have their welfare (i.e. - job seekers allowance) cut-off. Anyone who is out of work is supposed to be flat out looking for a job; in my opinion they should have no entitlement to be hanging around Dublin City Centre smashing the place up instead of looking for a job on that day.

The British Queen's visit doesn't really bother me; I'll be at work not caring as will most people. What will really annoy me is that if I'm paying tax to support unpatriotic scumbags* who aren't arsed looking for work and who will trash our capital city (and my taxes will also have to pay to fix the damage).

*I'm talking about scumbags who have never had a job in their whole entire life, even during the boom times. The kind of people who had the attitude of "why should I work when I can get €X for doing absolutely nothing; working all week and paying tax is for fools". Makes my blood boil.
And before anyone jumps down my throat, I know there are loads of hard working people who are genuinely out of work at the moment. I very much doubt that these people will cause any trouble as they will (a) be busy looking for a job that day as they are every day; (b) know what it's like to pay tax and won't want to see tax money from other hard pressed people wasted on cleaning up Dublin City Centre after it gets needlessly trashed; (c) as hard working people they will be able to relate to the shite that the Emergency Services will have to put up with on the day of the visit and Dublin City Council workers in the days following.

K-9

Einhard wrote: »

*Sighs*

No. I'm saying I'ved lived in Dublin for years!!! And you shouldn't presume to know things about people that you've never met!!

Same as myself.

I'm used to Republican whataboutery, but this takes the piss.

AskMyChocolate

Einhard wrote: »

So Love Ulster are not to be blamed, and yet you want to curtail their rights to free assembly. On the basis that some neanderthal "nationalists" attacked them? And in so doing, rewarding them for their thuggery. I know a lot of people who despise eirigi. Perhaps I should organise a posse the next time they stage a protest, attack them and generally trash the surrounding area. By your logic, they'd be forbidden from staging further public events, and I'd have got my way. Huzzah! Nothing like violence to get your own way!

I want to curtail the right of any group who consider Connolly, Pearse and Collins traitors from marching past the G.P.O., although as I have already stated this is more in the interests of keeping the peace rather than from any clinging to history. I find it inappropriate and as I said with republican groups who would want to assemble in Omagh or Enniskillen I would question their motives in choosing so contentious a location for a "peaceful" demonstration.
As to your number of friends who despise eirigi, what you choose to do is your concern. I'm not on either side.



I don't understand this. When did I make any such comparison?

You compared a loyalist marching outside the G.P.O being attacked to a girl wearing a short skirt being raped. For the reasons above I don't think this analogy is correct. If an unknowing individual wearing an England shirt was attacked outside the G.P.O then your analogy would be valid.



I don't think civil liberties should be denied to people just because one doesn't like what stand for. Also, as I'm sure you know, Love Ulster haven't murdered or maimed anyone.

Neither do I, but I do think that the Nazi Party should be kept away from Synagogues, I don't think you should be allowed hold a swimsuit contest outside a mosque etc. well you get the idea. It's about keeping the peace too and having respect for others.





Did Love Ulster Kill them? Eh no. You want to deny them the right to walk past the GPO because of an unfortunate incident which they had nothing to do with?! What a novel concept. We could ban all marches and protests according to that logic! "Hey teachers, you can't have a protest march down o'Connell St because someone was once killed there"! Brilliant...

No. Love Ulster is a loyalist organisation holding a march outside the most iconic building in the fight for Irish Independence. I'm sorry that you consider the 1916 rising an "unfortunate incident" (although not surprised at the phrasing) and how you jumped to teachers not being allowed march down O'Connell St. because "someone" was once killed there is an insult to the memories of the men and women who gave their lives to establish this state imo.

As to Queen Elizabeth (or Love Ulster for that matter), she'd need to take a **** on the grave of James Connolly and then wipe her arse with The Proclamation before she could come close to dishonouring their memories in the way that their successors have.

CorkMan

pop the bitch

FarmerGreen

someone will have a go

Bottle_of_Smoke

Einhard wrote: »

So Love Ulster are not to be blamed, and yet you want to curtail their rights to free assembly. On the basis that some neanderthal "nationalists" attacked them? And in so doing, rewarding them for their thuggery. I know a lot of people who despise eirigi. Perhaps I should organise a posse the next time they stage a protest, attack them and generally trash the surrounding area. By your logic, they'd be forbidden from staging further public events, and I'd have got my way. Huzzah! Nothing like violence to get your own way!

They wanted to march solely to create a reaction. They got what they wanted. No problem myself with them marching but I certainly question their motives

I don't think civil liberties should be denied to people just because one doesn't like what stand for. Also, as I'm sure you know, Love Ulster haven't murdered or maimed anyone.





Did Love Ulster Kill them? Eh no. You want to deny them the right to walk past the GPO because of an unfortunate incident which they had nothing to do with?! What a novel concept. We could ban all marches and protests according to that logic! "Hey teachers, you can't have a protest march down o'Connell St because someone was once killed there"! Brilliant...

Get real ffs. Do you think a Bobby Sands memorial march would be appropriate on the Shankill Rd in Belfast? Love Ulster intended on parading a banner of a prime suspect in the Dub/Mon bombings down o connell st. Educate yourself before you reply to this thread again

neil_hosey

FarmerGreen wrote: »

someone will have a go

hopefully



who said that??



Being serious, why would anyone want her coming here??? her ascendency that denied irish people social and political freedom for the guts of 400 years. If anyone should come, it should be the prime minister.

She represents everything that was ever wrong with Britain, and the sooner the brits realise that the better.

kumate_champ07

on the news today they were talking about all the millions that will be taken from health care in the budget thats coming, many Irish old women will be at risk from not getting treatement in time but yet the governement is happy to spend millions on 1 British old womans well being for a few days!

K-9

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Get real ffs. Do you think a Bobby Sands memorial march would be appropriate on the Shankill Rd in Belfast? Love Ulster intended on parading a banner of a prime suspect in the Dub/Mon bombings down o connell st. Educate yourself before you reply to this thread again

No harm to ya lad, but comparing the Shankill, or the Falls Road, to O'Connell Street is a joke.

If you want to use that analogy, get over yourself!

Dublin doesn't have a clue what the Falls or the Shankill was, or is, like.

I suggest educate yourself mate. The Falls would be the first to laugh at O'Connell Street rioting.

neil_hosey

K-9 wrote: »

No harm to ya lad, but comparing the Shankill, or the Falls Road, to O'Connell Street is a joke.

If you want to use that analogy, get over yourself!

Dublin doesn't have a clue what the Falls or the Shankill was like.

What the hell are you talking about ???

that is a perfect analogy. Dublin/monaghan bombings was the worst atrocity in the troubles. The fact that they wanted to parade a picture of one of the accused is disgraceful, and is definately equivalent to parading a picture of bobby sands on the shankill

Einhard

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

They wanted to march solely to create a reaction. They got what they wanted. No problem myself with them marching but I certainly question their motives

Good, that's settled then.

Get real ffs. Do you think a Bobby Sands memorial march would be appropriate on the Shankill Rd in Belfast? Love Ulster intended on parading a banner of a prime suspect in the Dub/Mon bombings down o connell st. Educate yourself before you reply to this thread again

Absolute nonsense. As K-9 stated, O'Connell St is the main thoroughfare of our nation, and not symbolic of of sectarian butchery. There's a massive difference. If that kind of analogy is what you get from educating yourself, then I'll pass this time thanks.

Einhard

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

on the news today they were talking about all the millions that will be taken from health care in the budget thats coming, many Irish old women will be at risk from not getting treatement in time but yet the governement is happy to spend millions on 1 British old womans well being for a few days!

They're not happy to spend it. They'd rather not spend it. But they'll have to to protest a pensioner from the blood lust of a bunch of neanderthal tools masquerading as "nationalists". Are you really advocating that we allow violent scumbags have a veto on which heads of state we invite to the country?

neil_hosey

Einhard wrote: »

Good, that's settled then.






Absolute nonsense. As K-9 stated, O'Connell St is the main thoroughfare of our nation, and not symbolic of of sectarian butchery. There's a massive difference. If that kind of analogy is what you get from educating yourself, then I'll pass this time thanks.

oh thats grand so, you tell that to the 30 odd families around dublin who had loved ones blown to smithereens that day.. not to mention the hundreds of others injured

K-9

neil_hosey wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about ???

that is a perfect analogy. Dublin/monaghan bombings was the worst atrocity in the troubles. The fact that they wanted to parade a picture of one of the accused is disgraceful, and is definately equivalent to parading a picture of bobby sands on the shankill

The hypocrisy is hilarious.

That was 37 odd years ago. Sympathies to all, but that wasn't the Shankill , the Falls, Castlereagh, Shoot to kill, Greysteel, the Shankill butchers, Warrenpoint, Bloody Friday, Bloody Sunday, Gibraltar, Civil rights march, rubber bullets.....................need I go on?

Einhard

neil_hosey wrote: »

Being serious, why would anyone want her coming here??? her ascendency that denied irish people social and political freedom for the guts of 400 years. If anyone should come, it should be the prime minister.

Oh God. She's a member of the House of Hanover dynasty, which has been on the throne for less than 300 years and, as far as I'm aware, weren't involved in persecuting the Irish when they were mere princelings in germany prior to that. To blame her then for the activities of monarchs from whom she's not even descended is definitely stretching it a bit!!

Indeed, blaming her the actions of any of her forebears is a tad unreasonable.

Einhard

neil_hosey wrote: »

oh thats grand so, you tell that to the 30 odd families around dublin who had loved ones blown to smithereens that day.. not to mention the hundreds of others injured

Neither the queen nor Love Ulster were involved in that atrocity.

neil_hosey

K-9 wrote: »

The hypocrisy is hilarious.

That was 37 odd years ago. Sympathies to all, but that wasn't the Shankill , the Falls, Castlereagh, Shoot to kill, Greysteel, the Shankill butchers, Warrenpoint, Bloody Friday, Bloody Sunday, Gibraltar, Civil rights march, rubber bullets.....................need I go on?

hypocrisy??? what are you talking about ! shoot to kill

Warrenpoint was 30 odd years ago? same with most you mentioned above! By FAR, dublin bombings was worse than ALL of the above!

you said:

K-9 wrote: »

No harm to ya lad, but comparing the Shankill, or the Falls Road, to O'Connell Street is a joke.

If you want to use that analogy, get over yourself!

Dublin doesn't have a clue what the Falls or the Shankill was, or is, like.

I suggest educate yourself mate. The Falls would be the first to laugh at O'Connell Street rioting.

I then said, yes, you can use that as an analogy! Because, dublin/monaghan bombing was the worst atrocity in the troubles (most deaths in one day) affecting hundreds of families (if not more) around dublin.

What hypocrisy!