Dublin Bus Network Review

joegriffinjnr

hmmm maybe this is part of the network review.. spotted today knocking around on the 37. :D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northernblue109/6809031185/

thomasj

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

hmmm maybe this is part of the network review.. spotted today knocking around on the 37. :D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northernblue109/6809031185/

Yep you could tell that was a work of fiction.

Not many people would fit through those centre doors! :pac:

CIE

thomasj wrote: »

joegriffinjr wrote: »

hmmm maybe this is part of the network review.. spotted today knocking around on the 37.

Yep you could tell that was a work of fiction.

Not many people would fit through those centre doors! :pac:

The centre doors on that bus are passenger-operated, and exiting is done single-file. The doors close automatically once the last passenger is off the bus. (And I don't think you'll see too many Chevrolet Corvettes along the 37 route either :P)

A2000

Am just about to drive into town to collect my wife as there is a 59 minute wait for the next westbound 40. Just cant afford any more taxis.

The_Wrecker

The whole southside is in chaos tonight.

dublinman1990

The_Wrecker wrote: »

The whole southside is in chaos tonight.

Why? What is the chaos?

The_Wrecker

Five car owners became pen friends by accident on the N11 this evening.

dublinbusdude

Nothing on the AA Roadwatch website

LXFlyer

Yes there was.

KD345

Changes to Route 83
Friday, September 21, 2012
Dublin Bus wishes to advise customers of changes to Route 83 on the north side of the city. These changes follow consultation in the community with key stakeholder groups.

Key changes are as follows:

· Route 83 will operate via Tolka Estate at hourly intervals, every day.

· Morning peak times will be adjusted to better meet the needs of peak time commuters.

· On Sundays, Route 83 will terminate at Charlestown Shopping Centre, no longer serving Harristown.

These changes will better meet the needs of the community and will ensure that Route 83 operates in an efficient and effective manner.

Please note there is no change to any other areas served by Route 83.

Please click here for Route 83 Revised Timetable: Route 83 revised times

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/83-Revised-Times/

CIE

I had a feeling that cutting off Tolka Estate from bus service cold, as ND did, would not be expedient. The route 83 alternate service is at very odd times of day, as well. Could have just kept the 19 with sufficient service for the areas in question; also would have saved the 68's indirect re-route via Bulfin Road and South Circular Road.

A2000

30 min gap on westbound 40 again just as people are trying to get out of town. Its an all day every day occurance.

CIE

A2000 wrote: »

30 min gap on westbound 40 again just as people are trying to get out of town. It's an all day every day occurrence.

Something tells me that eventually down the road, there will be a reversal of these excessively-long cross-city ND errors and excessive consolidations that have cut off bus service from areas that have been served frequently by bus for decades. Note the major dragging of feet converting the 27B to a northern extension of the 79.

dfx-

Doesn't the 83 nominally go briefly onto Tolka Estate as it is? Where it loops back on itself, stop no 175?

So are they saying that there will be a bus going what is now the normal route once every hour and everything else will remove that loop? Or is it they are going into Tolka Estate in more detail...

LeinsterDub

Once an hour you'll have a bus follow the old 19a route in Tolka Estate. To be honest I think there is absolutely no need for this. Tolka Estate was always a bottle neck on the 19a route the place just isn't suited for buses

CIE

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Once an hour you'll have a bus follow the old 19a route in Tolka Estate. To be honest I think there is absolutely no need for this. Tolka Estate was always a bottle neck on the 19a route the place just isn't suited for buses

It was the 19 that ran via Tolka Estate; the 19A ran on Ballymun Glasnevin Avenue, Ballymun Road and St. Mobhi Road.

Labelling a locale a "bottleneck for buses" does not speak to its viability as a market for a bus service. Based on that ephemeral judgement, the 83 should no longer serve Stannaway Avenue in Kimmage, nor the 123 serve Galtymore Road in Drimnagh. Besides, improvement of traffic flow can be achieved by reconfiguring (widening) the roads if need be.

LeinsterDub

But the area is being served by the current route. People complained about the bus no longer being directly outside their door, local politicians got involved and now we have this. My point about the area being a bottle neck is that by not going into it 10 minutes is cut off the time and most people aren't that far away from a stop just on the edge of the estate

AlekSmart

LeinsterDub wrote: »

But the area is being served by the current route. People complained about the bus no longer being directly outside their door, local employment politicians got involved and no we have this. My point about the area being a bottle neck is that by not going into it 10 minutes is cut off the time and most people aren't that far away from a stop just on the edge of the estate

It also somewhat challenges the entire rationale of Network Direct (Clue in the second word).

It would appear that whilst most are aware that Network Direct is all about cutbacks,the official line remains that it's all about efficiency,rapidity and other operational aspects.

The NTA,in its Press Release with the Pre-Paid price increase decision makes reference thus....

"City Bus networks have been redesigned to be more efficient and better match customer needs"

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There is a certain long running indecision on what type of service a provider can maintain under the new regime.

For example routes on the N11 QBC particularly the 46A and 145 are now struggling to cope with both peak time loadings,whilst largely empty vehicles continue to trundle around on significant amounts of other peripheral ND'd routes.

It would appear that break-point is being reached a bit sooner than was thought,particularly as the effects of recession/depression are really only beginning to be felt in many areas now.

CIE

LeinsterDub wrote: »

But the area is being served by the current route. People complained about the bus no longer being directly outside their door, local politicians got involved and now we have this. My point about the area being a bottle neck is that by not going into it 10 minutes is cut off the time and most people aren't that far away from a stop just on the edge of the estate

How far is Tolka Estate Road from either Finglas Road (N2) or Ballygall Road East? Griffith Road is even further, especially on the corner of Glasilawn Road. That half-kilometre (or longer) gets even longer the older one gets, and/or the worse the weather is. Great way to get people to buy cars, I suppose, but it won't help when it comes to the bus. That bit about complaining about door-to-door service sounds too one-sided anecdotal; if you are that jealous about having such service, then by all means move to a road that has bus service operating along it.

Pearse Villas in Sallynoggin also has rather narrow roadways. Should all bus service be relocated onto Sallynoggin Road and Rochestown Avenue, or the bypass road? Perhaps even the 40 should be taken off Barry Road and Barry Avenue as well and re-routed via Cappagh Avenue due to the more indirect nature of the current (and traditional) routing. Bus service via St. Anne's Estate is now questionable, since it slows down route 29A's (future route 29) way to get to Station Road in Raheny. (And of course, who needs any service via any part of Harmonstown with the train stations nearby and with Howth Road and Malahide Road "not so far away"? never mind Bunratty Road, a stone's throw from Oscar Traynor Road and all.)

AlekSmart wrote: »

For example routes on the N11 QBC particularly the 46A and 145 are now struggling to cope with both peak time loadings,whilst largely empty vehicles continue to trundle around on significant amounts of other peripheral ND'd routes

Sounds like too many routes were cut on the N11. I remember when the 84 was a significant route on the Stillorgan Road, and the 46A was supplemented by routes 63 and 64/A (even the 46 at one time, when it was the Corbawn Lane route and ran more frequently). The 145 of course had to have its ridership boosted by destroying both 45 and 84. Too many political games and not enough worrying about actually serving passengers. (What's the story with the 39A?)

Cookie_Monster

CIE wrote: »

Pearse Villas in Sallynoggin also has rather narrow roadways. Should all bus service be relocated onto Sallynoggin Road and Rochestown Avenue, or the bypass road?

absolutely, should have been done the day the sallyglen road opened.

dfx-

There were some odd looks on the southside of the 83 tonight, seeing 83A come up on the displays..:)

CIE

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

absolutely, should have been done the day the sallyglen road opened.

Why? You would prefer stop-and-go traffic on the bypass? There are no destinations there, unless you call backyards a destination.

CIE

dfx- wrote: »

There were some odd looks on the southside of the 83 tonight, seeing 83A come up on the displays..:)

So they had to create an 83A.

Cookie_Monster

CIE wrote: »

Why? You would prefer stop-and-go traffic on the bypass? There are no destinations there, unless you call backyards a destination.

opens up a lot more of Ballinclay etc to the bus, bringing it much closer than before. Takes at least 5 if not 8-10 minds off the journey time, is DIRECT (which was supposed to be what ND was about) and no destinations are missed (woodies and power city are hardly places you get the bus too).
There is no reason for the 7 to wind its way through that estate at all, let the 111 collect the travel pass brigade.

thomasj

CIE wrote: »

(What's the story with the 39A?)

It seems it doesn't serve enough of the n11!

Maybe look at revisiting the old 10a situation?

CIE

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

opens up a lot more of Ballinclay etc to the bus, bringing it much closer than before. Takes at least 5 if not 8-10 minds off the journey time, is DIRECT (which was supposed to be what ND was about) and no destinations are missed (woodies and power city are hardly places you get the bus too).
There is no reason for the 7 to wind its way through that estate at all, let the 111 collect the travel pass brigade.

If we really were to complain about lack of direct routes to certain destinations, then perhaps the 111 should become defunct, and break up the 7 into 7 and 7A, with 7 down the direct route towards Cherrywood and 7A via Pearse Villas to/from Loughlinstown Park (the Pearse Villas bus was originally the 7A after all). Now of course, with the R118, there become open questions as to why the bus route connecting Dun Laoghaire with Bray doesn't itself use more of the R118 (e.g. ditch the 45A and extend the 111). Connecting to the DART from local buses becomes of little use if the DART is still being shortened to four-car trains after all the effort expended to extend platforms to accommodate eight cars after all.

One can really entrap oneself via that "direct" caveat, because that opens up all sorts of questions, e.g. how come there is no bus running the whole length of the R828 route (Stradbrook Road, Abbey Road, Rochestown Avenue, then Church Road and Shanganagh Road into Shankill and Bray). Indeed the implication is to make as many bus routes as possible into radial routes...

AlekSmart

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

opens up a lot more of Ballinclay etc to the bus, bringing it much closer than before. Takes at least 5 if not 8-10 minds off the journey time, is DIRECT (which was supposed to be what ND was about) and no destinations are missed (woodies and power city are hardly places you get the bus too).
There is no reason for the 7 to wind its way through that estate at all, let the 111 collect the travel pass brigade.

It would appear that after decades of hand-wringing,the last point is being addressed first....;)

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pensioners-free-travel-scheme-hit-by-rampant-fraud-3244592.html

Bazzer2

The dogs in the street know there is widespread abuse of free travel passes. However, instead of clamping down on it, I heard Dublin Bus is trying to introduce more cuts to driver wages and conditions, so in essence the drivers are being made pay for customer fraud.

Many drivers still manage to smile and be polite at the very people robbing their pay packets. I don't know how they do it.

Boulevardier

Another miserable time for my Bray-based friend last night (Sunday).

The 145 is now the only bus from Dublin to Bray. It gets packed at Kingsbridge station on Sunday nights with people (and luggage) coming back from the country who are going to get off in the near south suburbs. That means that people going from the city centre to points between Foxrock and Bray simply cannot get a bus on Sunday nights.

Also, the 145 service late on Friday and Saturday evenings is grossly inadequate and the last one leaves too early.

All very not good enough.

CIE

Boulevardier wrote: »

Another miserable time for my Bray-based friend last night (Sunday).

The 145 is now the only bus from Dublin to Bray. It gets packed at Kingsbridge station on Sunday nights with people (and luggage) coming back from the country who are going to get off in the near south suburbs. That means that people going from the city centre to points between Foxrock and Bray simply cannot get a bus on Sunday nights.

Also, the 145 service late on Friday and Saturday evenings is grossly inadequate and the last one leaves too early.

All very not good enough.

Hmm. Anyone want to bet that if the 45 was allowed to come back as a privately-operated route (and unencumbered by whatever regulations constrain private operators nowadays), it could possibly trounce the 145?