2012 apocalypse

Mahatma coat · 19-04-2010 2:03pm

No Paddy Again, I kinda get what Mysterious is sayin, its like the Marie Celest thread, instead of going off and googlin for the 'current' explanation I'm just tryin to recall the information I learned as a child first, I could just read a wiki or watch a Youtube made by someone else, and often their a great source of information, but that information is fluid, and highly subjective to 'Influence'
Mysterious is espousin the basics of first principal, yer base reactions and instincts, I too Get annoyed by the standoffishness but we can work past that given the right environment;)

Penn · 19-04-2010 3:22pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

No Paddy Again, I kinda get what Mysterious is sayin, its like the Marie Celest thread, instead of going off and googlin for the 'current' explanation I'm just tryin to recall the information I learned as a child first, I could just read a wiki or watch a Youtube made by someone else, and often their a great source of information, but that information is fluid, and highly subjective to 'Influence'
Mysterious is espousin the basics of first principal, yer base reactions and instincts, I too Get annoyed by the standoffishness but we can work past that given the right environment;)

If so, it doesn't come across that way. I for one use my first instincts to help narrow down the search for information rather than replace it. But I understand what you're saying and I apologise to mysterious if I misinterpreted what he was saying and if my post came across as a little harsh.

mysterious · 19-04-2010 5:40pm

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

How about this: I rely on my own intelligence. And my own intelligence leads me to believe that there are no such things as Stargates.

That is not intellegence that is belief. You haven't delved into the nature of reality because you only pay attention to the front lines, media, and people who are scientist and what not. I know you do because that is what you repeat often.

I don't trust people who say they've seen Stargates or that Saddam Hussein uncovered a Stargate in Iraq and that is why he was killed. My own intelligence also leads me to believe that nothing will happen in 2012. Am I wrong?

Yes, but in your own belief nothing may happen to you drastically. But as usual common sense prevails. Many thing's will happen in 2012 just like things happen every day.

I feel It's just your conditioned belief system stating there is no "stargates in Iraq" You haven't used your intellegence to discover this. Why because your waiting for someone in authority to tell you it's true rather than "you" doing something with your own intellegence to find out. So you will sit on the fence on this, because you choosed to put a belief system over it rather than putting your awareness and intellegence into finding out. We all have been succumbed into the brainwashing of hollywood and entertainment. For example it's logical to say that you would believe stargates don't exist because you associate stargates with outlandish movies. So when we discuss something that is known to most of us, your subconscious tells your conscious mind "oh I seen that in a movie haha not real mkkkay"

Intellegence is applying your own instincts, logic, common sense, research and reasoning to percieving and understanding everything around you. It's not just relying, it's putting into action. I've yet to see you do this on certain subjects, because most subjects dicussed here you talk about the mainstream scientists, teachers and would only focus on joe the politician and joe the astronomer. I don't believe it's in the interest of our own intellegence and truth to follow others.

And if NOBODY has any credibility, then surely you have no credibility either?

I don't need credibility.

studiorat · 19-04-2010 5:59pm

mysterious wrote: »

I don't need credibility.

Lucky for you then, You don't deserve it.

mysterious wrote: »

That is not intellegence that is belief. You haven't delved into the nature of reality because you only pay attention to the front lines, media, and people who are scientist and what not. I know you do because that is what you repeat often.

There you go again telling people what they think. You seem to think that information comes from either of two places, the news headlines or your precious "alternative media". If you took the trouble to actually look at the other side of an argument once iin a while you might understand. But you'd rather stick to your self gratifying opinions.

It's daft, but you really don't realise how utterly generic and cliched your posts are. :rolleyes:

mysterious wrote: »

It's just your conditioned belief system stating there is no "stargates in Iraq" You haven't used your intellegence to discover this. Why because your waiting for someone in authority to tell you it's true rather than "you" doing something with your own intellegence.

You have been brainwashed by the CT business. Because you think your "alternative" opinion gives you some sort of distinction outside of everybody else. You couldn't be more wrong. You are the same as every other crystal ball merchant on the internet. Personally I think it's because you don't understand the actual science behind it or couldn't be bothered.

mysterious wrote: »

Intellegence is applying your own instincts, logic, common sense, research and reasoning to percieving and understanding everything around you.

Intellegence is knowing you can never understand everything. Not pretending that you can or will someday by using a few cliches.

mysterious · 19-04-2010 6:10pm

studiorat wrote: »

Lucky for you then, You don't deserve it.

There you go again telling people what they think. You seem to think that information comes from either of two places, the news headlines or your precious "alternative media". If you took the trouble to actually look at the other side of an argument once iin a while you might understand. But you'd rather stick to your self gratifying opinions.

It's daft, but you really don't realise how utterly generic and cliched your posts are. :rolleyes:

You have been brainwashed by the CT business. Because you think your "alternative" opinion gives you some sort of distinction outside of everybody else. You couldn't be more wrong. You are the same as every other crystal ball merchant on the internet. Personally I think it's because you don't understand the actual science behind it or couldn't be bothered.

Intellegence is knowing you can never understand everything. Not pretending that you can or will someday by using a few cliches.

Why do you expect me to respond to this, and say what?

I dissagree with everything you said and also don't respect how aggressive your posts are. You have a belief system that is very against anyone who has an open mind on topics outside "society".

We don't have to conform to others. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. You keep seeming to ignore my responses.

So in future I will not respond at all, and now you will know why I don't respond, because you don't seem to listen to anything I have to say but send kneejerk comments all the time. Despite given you the respect yet again to respond without eracting to your prudishness.

Wibbs · 19-04-2010 7:35pm

seanybiker wrote: »

How can he be an "expert" like you think you are on this subject if you wont give him the resources to study your myth?

That was my question in a nutshell. What resources are you tapping on this 2012 subject? Finding ones own way is fine and I agree, but one must first have some sort of map of a road to travel, even if its within ones own mind. Every philosophy out there would agree.

I'm all for questioning. I may drift off from time to time which is good and I do realise that experience and knowledge is ultimately subjective(we can all agree the sky is blue, but do you see the same "blue" I do? Someone with colour blindness doesnt).

So say stargates in Iraq. OK is it possible. Yes. Is it likely? again possibly. How do I find out? Unless I see the object in question or trust someone else who has seen, I can not know. So on the lack of direct evidence I would have to say the jury is well out. BTW I have the same attitude to many scientific theories. Dark matter/energy for one. Yea its a neat explanation, but I dont buy it. I have issues with string theory too. And cosmological expansion. But I would be way more prone to believe those explanations than a posited Iraq stargate.

2012. Did the Mayans see this as a new phase in their long count calender? Defo. Like mysterious and others have said it wasnt seen as an end of the world apocalypse like in the movies. Cool, but where does the long count calender occur in other ancient texts? Egypt has been mentioned, but they had a more short term calender, not unlike our own(though lunar and new year was in summer). It wasn't nearly as accurate(like our own) as the Mayan. The Sumerian calender was lunar again with a 19 year cycle that took account of the solar/lunar calender diffs(one theory has our very own newgrange doing similar). So where do people get the 2012 date across these various civilisations? Given the latter two wrote down their calenders(especially the Sumerians).

Now people may say "ahh but thats what you've been told". OK where do the same people get the info that they've been told? I'm not gonna get into the minutiae of the philosophy of knowledge, but suffice to say we all need pointing to knowledge. Which one to believe is the trick.

Kepti wrote: »

I know one thing. I will always chose the rabbit hole over escapism.

The trick is spotting the difference too though.

IMH escapism on various levels is one of the biggest threats facing us as a species. Physically, intellectually, spiritually. And its getting worse. Don't have a social life? Watch the soaps. Don't have actual friends? Add them to facebook. Don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend? Watch porn. Feel "unauthentic"? Believe the marketing hype and buy stuff that willmake you feel "authentic" and belonging. Life not exciting? Play computer games. Want an adventure? Dont bother doing it, watch Bear Grylls do it. Why bother going into space when Star Trek does it in easy one hour digestible chunks?* Don't wanna work on enlightenment? Drop a pill and away you go, or just have unquestioning faith. The list is long. More and more we're avoiding the hard work of living(and thinking and feeling) and replacing it with the easy hit straight to the brain. And we need it more and more. Live life second hand and imagined and closed off at ever faster speeds..

Our ancient brain is all too easily duped, if you're not aware of it. Why are people fat and getting fatter? Stuff that tastes "good" tastes that way becuase it is a valuable resource and is rare enough in nature, so we sought it out. Now we just walk into a shop. Princess Di pegs it and people were crying in the streets. Of course they were. They felt they knew her. They saw her, they heard her, they knew her life better than some of their actual friends and family. Virtual reality indeed.

Looking inward too much is dangerous to both the individual and the group and we can do it much more easily than we ever could before. What I would like to see is more balance. If 2012 is anything, I'd hope it was that.

*Why so many disbelieve Apollo?(I know, I know

). Its unreal for so many. It must be fake. It must be a "special effect". That's one reason too why we've not been back. Send probes, its "easier". Maybe thats why we've never recieved signals from aliens(I know, I know

)? They get to a point in technology where the tech does the living and feeling in easy and increasing chunks for them and they look inwards, never leaving their planet. If the Matrix ever comes to pass, we'll build our own.

Yitzhak Rabin · 19-04-2010 7:47pm

Wibbs wrote: »

That was my question in a nutshell.
...

I'd hope it was that.

Very interesting post. I agree with parts and disagree with others, but certainly made interesting reading. Definitely agree with alot of it. Particularily the dark matter. I'm not au fait enough with quantum mechanics, but it always seemed to me they had a theory that seemed flawless, until they realised that 97% of the mass/energy wasn't there and didn't want to throw out the model, so instead 'tweaked it' and just added this unknown, and possibly unknowable variable of dark matter/energy which neatly explained it all away. If anyone here has a decent grasp of physics, I'd be more than happy to be corrected on that though.

nyarlothothep · 19-04-2010 10:37pm

Wibbs wrote: »

That was my question in a nutshell. What resources are you tapping on this 2012 subject? Finding ones own way is fine and I agree, but one must first have some sort of map of a road to travel, even if its within ones own mind. Every philosophy out there would agree.

I'm all for questioning. I may drift off from time to time which is good and I do realise that experience and knowledge is ultimately subjective(we can all agree the sky is blue, but do you see the same "blue" I do? Someone with colour blindness doesnt).

So say stargates in Iraq. OK is it possible. Yes. Is it likely? again possibly. How do I find out? Unless I see the object in question or trust someone else who has seen, I can not know. So on the lack of direct evidence I would have to say the jury is well out. BTW I have the same attitude to many scientific theories. Dark matter/energy for one. Yea its a neat explanation, but I dont buy it. I have issues with string theory too. And cosmological expansion. But I would be way more prone to believe those explanations than a posited Iraq stargate.

2012. Did the Mayans see this as a new phase in their long count calender? Defo. Like mysterious and others have said it wasnt seen as an end of the world apocalypse like in the movies. Cool, but where does the long count calender occur in other ancient texts? Egypt has been mentioned, but they had a more short term calender, not unlike our own(though lunar and new year was in summer). It wasn't nearly as accurate(like our own) as the Mayan. The Sumerian calender was lunar again with a 19 year cycle that took account of the solar/lunar calender diffs(one theory has our very own newgrange doing similar). So where do people get the 2012 date across these various civilisations? Given the latter two wrote down their calenders(especially the Sumerians).

Now people may say "ahh but thats what you've been told". OK where do the same people get the info that they've been told? I'm not gonna get into the minutiae of the philosophy of knowledge, but suffice to say we all need pointing to knowledge. Which one to believe is the trick.

The trick is spotting the difference too though.

IMH escapism on various levels is one of the biggest threats facing us as a species. Physically, intellectually, spiritually. And its getting worse. Don't have a social life? Watch the soaps. Don't have actual friends? Add them to facebook. Don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend? Watch porn. Feel "unauthentic"? Believe the marketing hype and buy stuff that willmake you feel "authentic" and belonging. Life not exciting? Play computer games. Want an adventure? Dont bother doing it, watch Bear Grylls do it. Why bother going into space when Star Trek does it in easy one hour digestible chunks?* Don't wanna work on enlightenment? Drop a pill and away you go, or just have unquestioning faith. The list is long. More and more we're avoiding the hard work of living(and thinking and feeling) and replacing it with the easy hit straight to the brain. And we need it more and more. Live life second hand and imagined and closed off at ever faster speeds..

Our ancient brain is all too easily duped, if you're not aware of it. Why are people fat and getting fatter? Stuff that tastes "good" tastes that way becuase it is a valuable resource and is rare enough in nature, so we sought it out. Now we just walk into a shop. Princess Di pegs it and people were crying in the streets. Of course they were. They felt they knew her. They saw her, they heard her, they knew her life better than some of their actual friends and family. Virtual reality indeed.

Looking inward too much is dangerous to both the individual and the group and we can do it much more easily than we ever could before. What I would like to see is more balance. If 2012 is anything, I'd hope it was that.

*Why so many disbelieve Apollo?(I know, I know ). Its unreal for so many. It must be fake. It must be a "special effect". That's one reason too why we've not been back. Send probes, its "easier". Maybe thats why we've never recieved signals from aliens(I know, I know )? They get to a point in technology where the tech does the living and feeling in easy and increasing chunks for them and they look inwards, never leaving their planet. If the Matrix ever comes to pass, we'll build our own.

Want to make a paradigm shifting speech? Post it on a forum. :pac:

AlmostFamous · 20-04-2010 1:14pm

The powers that be wouldn't acknowledge the fact if the world really was ending as it would cause total chaos. Rampage looting, rape, murder and stealing would become common place. Money would lose its value, capitalists would be overthrown. I find it really suspicious that NASA (government organisation) on their website are acknowledging 2012 and they are trying to reassure people that nothing will happen. They wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't a genuine threat, they would just discredit any impending doomsday based on lack of evidence. It would be more sensible to cover up knowledge of an impending doomsday than to let the people know the truth which would cause civil unrest of unimaginable proportions. Alas, I quietly confident that the LHC will have something to do with the beginning of the end, but not the definitive end of man.

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 1:41pm

Here is a must see video for all you 2012 ers out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl9W4V4wKLo

Can anyone tell me how you wrap the video itself on to your reply instead of posting the URL. Cant figure it out.

gbee · 20-04-2010 1:45pm

It's as good a year as any to end the World.

There are many signs that a catastrophe may engulf us. War or wars with nukes may escalate into world war again .. we are in a recession so there is the number one driving force.

The world itself is going through a increased amount of volcanic activity, the overdue super volcano of Yellowstone has caused global extinction events in the distant past ~ it may well be our turn soon.

Yitzhak Rabin · 20-04-2010 1:50pm

Chriskavo wrote: »

Here is a must see video for all you 2012 ers out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl9W4V4wKLo

Can anyone tell me how you wrap the video itself on to your reply instead of posting the URL. Cant figure it out.

Take the 'letters' part of the url (i.e the kl9W4V4wKLopart of it) and put it between https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= and then the vid will be embedded.

Here's yours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl9W4V4wKLo

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 3:00pm

Take the 'letters' part of the url (i.e the kl9W4V4wKLopart of it) and put it between and then the vid will be embedded.

Thanks.

Wibbs · 20-04-2010 3:10pm

Hancock Ive a lot of time for. Yea he's out there, but some of his theories and those of collaborators are worth a look. The problem is these good ideas are lost in the more out there ones and he's ignored by the mainstream. Wrongfully I think. He and others made good cases for the allignment of the khufu plateau that seems to correspond to orions belt and the small shafts in the great pyramid were aimed at specific stars. Which also tied into what we know of some of the egyptian religion. His notions on the antiquity of the sphinx(which I agree with). That was lost when one of his collaborators started on about pyramids on mars. Which is a pity.

His book on shamanism and the herbs/drugs they took and how this threw up universal themes etc was also well worth the read, but again he went further. Hey maybe to get insight you sometimes have to go off the navigable charts once in a while.

Newton a good example. One of the greatest scientific minds we know about. Also a major eccentric. Mad for alchemy, biblical numerology and he predicted the apocalypse for 2060 based on his studies. He was a believer, in a time when atheism was rising. He considered atheism to be "senseless and odious to humanity". But he was a believer that didnt believe in the trinity or satan, which marked him out. Interesting chap who mapped his own road.

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 3:25pm

Newton a good example. One of the greatest scientific minds we know about. Also a major eccentric. Mad for alchemy, biblical numerology and he predicted the apocalypse for 2060 based on his studies. He was a believer, in a time when atheism was rising. He considered atheism to be "senseless and odious to humanity". But he was a believer that didnt believe in the trinity or satan, which marked him out. Interesting chap who mapped his own road.

Hancock is one of the more credible guys out there and he doesn't veer into conspiracy nonsense but keeps things nicely balanced. I like the fact that he also seems to be genuinely passionate about what he does and this is evident from the amount of research the guy has done. Newton was without doubt the finest scientist of all time, interesting that he was into biblical numerology. Wasn't there that book -' The Bible Code released 12 yrs ago which appeared to prove Newtons theory correct? I dont know if it has been de-bunked, but its author along with the mathemaoician who broke the code are adamant that it is very real. Would like your opinion on this.

Wibbs · 20-04-2010 3:35pm

Ive no idea TBH. The bible code thing has been largely disproved as the numbers involved can spell out what you want them to. Plus the texts themselves vary and evolve over time so that would be a problem too.

Newton attacked it from the Hebrew side. Learned Hebrew to do it. Many of the Jewish religious types put great store in numerology and that was his kick off point as a religious scholar(he produced more books on theology than he did on the sciences).

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 3:45pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Ive no idea TBH. The bible code thing has been largely disproved as the numbers involved can spell out what you want them to. Plus the texts themselves vary and evolve over time so that would be a problem too.

Newton attacked it from the Hebrew side. Learned Hebrew to do it. Many of the Jewish religious types put great store in numerology and that was his kick off point as a religious scholar(he produced more books on theology than he did on the sciences).

So did the mathematician who broke it - Eli Rips. He broke the code using the original Hebrew used by Moses when he received the scrolls on Mount Sinai. Some people are suggesting that the debunking was done because they don't want this information in the wrong hands. Bill Clinton had a copy of it when he brokered the peace deal in the Middle East and the late Yasser Arafat and Stanley Kubrick both believed in it! I know that doesn't prove anything but is interesting all the same.

fontanalis · 20-04-2010 3:53pm

Chriskavo wrote: »

So did the mathematician who broke it - Eli Rips. He broke the code using the original Hebrew used by Moses when he received the scrolls on Mount Sinai. Some people are suggesting that the debunking was done because they don't want this information in the wrong hands. Bill Clinton had a copy of it when he brokered the peace deal in the Middle East and the late Yasser Arafat and Stanley Kubrick both believed in it! I know that doesn't prove anything but is interesting all the same.

An Austrlian professor achieved similar reults using Moby Dick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_McKay
The code is based on the first four books of the Torah as afr as I know and they weren't received on Mount Sinai, and I would really love to see a credible link about the Clinton thing.
I read the book 10 years ago and the author claimed a major event in 2006 and here we are. He also managed to weasel out of predictions by saying that the code can give alternative outcomes.

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 9:23pm

Here is another great video on 2012 from Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theories. I
don't buy into all that doomsday stuff but some of this program genuinely scared the crap out of me. You can see the others parts on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M-YYIDeEvs

mysterious · 20-04-2010 9:30pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Hancock Ive a lot of time for. Yea he's out there, but some of his theories and those of collaborators are worth a look. The problem is these good ideas are lost in the more out there ones and he's ignored by the mainstream. Wrongfully I think. He and others made good cases for the allignment of the khufu plateau that seems to correspond to orions belt and the small shafts in the great pyramid were aimed at specific stars. Which also tied into what we know of some of the egyptian religion. His notions on the antiquity of the sphinx(which I agree with). That was lost when one of his collaborators started on about pyramids on mars. Which is a pity..

Why would you want attention from the mainstream media? Mainstream media is a coporation created to prevent society from opening outside of the mainstream. Mainstream media will never allow reasearchers like Hannock to take a primative flatform. Even I know there is so much unknown than Hannocks theories. If Hannock knew more, he would be completely off the radar.

Look at what it turned America into. A delusional society and now Europe isn't so far behind.

I believe he's very geninue. He pretty much does all his work himself and follows his passion to greater understanding. Infact he keeps a low profile despite having very successful books. Which is admirable to me. Erik von Danneken is another one.

The 2012 event plays a role in Egypt too. December 21st 2012 is the time of rebirth or fifth age. Jupiter rises on the 11.11am 21st of December also. I think it's in Aquarius, which is interesting because we are now in the Aquarian age or on the transition of been so.

It's obvious Orion's belt is aligned to the Giza Pyramids. There is a city SE of Giza that is aligned to Sirius. I will get the video for you, you will like it very much. It's about masonic secrets and why freemasons dabble in the occults and worship the stars. All the shafts are aligned to the stars at precision. These are natural stargates too.

Giza sits on a massive earth energy grid line. Hannock opened up the doors to the mainstream world what the pyramids stood for in most cases. Infact most of the secrets of the pyramids are already known. The rulling elite classes and masons knows the secrets of the pyramids.

It just never gets out on T.V.

mysons · 20-04-2010 9:33pm

2000 was about making money,2012 is about making money.

Chriskavo · 20-04-2010 9:36pm

Giza sits on a massive earth energy grid line. Hannock opened up the doors to the mainstream world what the pyramids stood for in most cases. Infact most of the secrets of the pyramids are already known. The rulling elite classes and masons knows the secrets of the pyramids.

It just never gets out on T.V.

It's interesting because the so called Mars pyramids sit on a similar trajectory to that on Earth and the Giza pyramids. I take your point about the elite class and their knowledge of the pyramids esp when you see it on the back of the American dollar. Could you elaborate a little further and explain to me what you think this power may be ?

mysterious · 20-04-2010 9:38pm

mysons wrote: »

2000 was about making money,2012 is about making money.

It's 2010 and everything is going bankrupt and is already at it's worst since the great depression.

2000 was a test run to see how people would react. Dude read the thread.:rolleyes: Comments like yours are very annoying because it just shows your just throwing a kneejerk comment without reading the thread or debate. If you
did you would know that most people have already discussed this.

2012 isn't doomsday because that is propaganda. 2012 in reality is a galacitc event of where we are entering a new 26,000 year cycle.

These dates are not human clockwork. It's beyond your scope of reality, time and you guessed "money".

Money is becoming worthless.

mysterious · 20-04-2010 9:49pm

Chriskavo wrote: »

It's interesting because the so called Mars pyramids sit on a similar trajectory to that on Earth and the Giza pyramids. I take your point about the elite class and their knowledge of the pyramids esp when you see it on the back of the American dollar. Could you elaborate a little further and explain to me what you think this power may be ?

Sure.

Pyramids are structures which help trap or heighen the focus of the surface or below surface energy fields. Pyramids are used in every form when a structure of power or focus of power is pointed too. For example a food pyramid, or maslows pyramid plan for example. Pyramids in sacred geomtry is a symbol that explains my first point. It denotes a centre or focus of power from all modes within and the base to one point.

So the illuminati use a pyramid hologram to control the world. This means that they control the pyramid and everythnig that exist within the hologram. So this matrix you see now and everything around you is controlled by the illuminati.

This is why the illuminati have the all seeing eye or pyramid on it's money for example. Money is one of the biggest commodities of power to them. We all use it, therefore our reality is ultimately controlled by them.

Pyramids built on energy lines such as Giza were placed there to pierce higher dimensions and travel to other star systems in the past.

Around the world they build pillar or pyramid type structures to harness or use the energy that is around it. The pillar in Washington for example is one.

That's some of my own views on the pyramid. The illuminati in my view are entities or illuminated beings that control and keep this matrix hologram existing as it does. The illuminati are the all seeing eye and at the top are 6D beings. There role is to govern and rule a world until they turn the world into a harmonic balanced civilization. Sometimes the illuminati turn bad, sometimes they turn good. It's the nature of 6D beings. They are the eye before god. These beings can be any particular race or even us millions years ahead, but the ultimate point to all this, they are here for evolution like we are. They are very aware that they cannot control the world anymore, it's why they are keeping the NWO in place until the time comes we are on our own.

Wibbs · 21-04-2010 10:46am

mysterious wrote: »

Why would you want attention from the mainstream media? Mainstream media is a coporation created to prevent society from opening outside of the mainstream.

Mainstream science, not the media. At best the media dumb down everything into easily digestible chunks and soundbites. With few exceptions. There are quite a few ideas in mainstream science today, that were anything but mainstream in the past. Actually that would go for pretty much every step forward in science. I remember a time when the idea that a meteorite killing of the dinosaurs was considered out there. A lot of what Hancock touches on does make sense and there is enough evidence to look at it deeper. What may put some off is the weirder stuff. And that's a pity.

I believe he's very geninue. He pretty much does all his work himself and follows his passion to greater understanding. Infact he keeps a low profile despite having very successful books. Which is admirable to me.

Ditto.

Erik von Danneken is another one.

TBH personally I wouldn't put him in the same boat at all. He has admitted to fabrication of his "evidence" and of invention to make the books more interesting and has nothing like the objectivity and scientific application of Hancock. Of course Danneken sold like hot cakes. Hugely popular in the 70's especially. He's far far more "mainstream media" too than Hancock.

Yrag2E · 21-04-2010 10:47am

Chriskavo wrote: »

Here is another great video on 2012 from Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theories. I
don't buy into all that doomsday stuff but some of this program genuinely scared the crap out of me. You can see the others parts on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M-YYIDeEvs

cmon man!

7.03 - thats June whats her face from C4 :rolleyes:

mysterious · 21-04-2010 9:43pm

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH personally I wouldn't put him in the same boat at all. He has admitted to fabrication of his "evidence" and of invention to make the books more interesting and has nothing like the objectivity and scientific application of Hancock. Of course Danneken sold like hot cakes. Hugely popular in the 70's especially. He's far far more "mainstream media" too than Hancock.

Look at what Eric Von Danniken was up against, a post WW2 society... It took him years to get a book published, because they called him all sorts of names and made him out to be a laughing stock. Eric Von Daniken opened the doors. There wasn't much independant research in those days. He put all his money time and efforts to travel the world and find out FOR himself. Thats a real human being.

Not all these insane scientists who sits in labs all their lives telling whats real in the outside world....... :rolleyes: A physics PHD lived in my house before, and she worshipped Al Gore.... Just goes to show how science can f£££k up your brain and lead you down the wrong path of totally worshipping a controlled systematic way of thinking and following.

Erick may have brushed his stuff up or given them more hocus pocus, but I can see the logic in why he did that, since he didn't have anyone to back him, or help him publish the books in the beginning he also needed to draw attention to his work so he can open the doors on the whats hidden to the world. He is still going to places and uncovering things himself. That's his life. and I really think your been bit hard on the dude.

He is probably now considered mainstream becauase people are now accepting that the pyramids are stargates and time travelling devices. Eric Von Danniken would have been laughed at in his days for saying that.

You have to understand when you go out there by yourself your up against the world. I don't really respect or take any interest in people who go to college, because they are all ready a slave to the system.

You need to get out in the real world, see these places, have experiences, talk to people, meet historians and do the research yourself. It's pure dedication. I don't give anyone the time of day, when I hear this education crap. If I hear anyone who does, I already know hes a drone who hasn't thought for himself.

In order to find the truth in life you need to think for yourself and follow your heart. That is the only way you will discover the hidden truths that lies on this planet.

Hannock is one of them. We agree on that anyway.

mcmoustache · 21-04-2010 10:16pm

mysterious wrote: »

Why would you want attention from the mainstream media? Mainstream media is a coporation created to prevent society from opening outside of the mainstream.

Alternative media is a big bloody corporation. They just dress it up differently. Why do you think they're allowed to exist by the illuminati?

fontanalis · 21-04-2010 10:37pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Alternative media is a big bloody corporation. They just dress it up differently. Why do you think they're allowed to exist by the illuminati?

Probably because they're not that powerful. Remember their elaborate swine flu plan (and don't forget the vaccination) didn't work.
But I'll keep searching for the truth, I'll check behind the couch next.

mysterious · 21-04-2010 10:41pm

fontanalis wrote: »

Probably because they're not that powerful. Remember their elaborate swine flu plan (and don't forget the vaccination) didn't work.
But I'll keep searching for the truth, I'll check behind the couch next.

It's only as powerful as the people who sit in front of the T.V and give it power.

The reality is most people believe in, T.V, Education, media and of course teh scientists who were taught by the media and education about this "reality". The coporations own the education system. The high end scientisst work mostly in black ops and get paid lots of money to keep this the reality the way it is. Infact most scientists work in the milltary, FARMacueticals space programmes andtop secret bases around the world. hmmm I wonder why.

The swine flu craze worked, but a lot of people like me were able to see it before it started. Most people didn't realise the maiice until 2 months by. People still by at large reacted the way the governments wanted them too.