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jayteecork

Did Bisping show sportsmanship after getting beat by Henderson? I didn't see any handshake.

Course not, he was still out cold.

It's absolutely ridiculous to see.

What Brock said - big deal. Apart from a business point of view in the short term (disasterous slating their top sponsor) but in the long term, he's a total cash cow. He gave Mir 1/4 of what Mir would have given Brock if Mir had won.

Mir has been mouthing off for months about Brock and I found it entertaining, added a bit of spice to the fight. They hate each other, it's clear to see and it will be the same next time they fight in the future because you know they will.

Brock is a machine and he totally outfought Mir. End of story. If anything, Brock put himself at an even bigger disadvantage before the fight when he refused to touch gloves with Mir, the ref would have been thinking "This guy is going to play dirty" and made the task at hand even more difficult but that is how confident he was of beating Mir. Mir fluked it in the first fight, everyone knows it except Mir and his loyal biased fans. I like Mir for what he is (great submission fighter) and I'd like to see Mir V Cain Velasquez; that would be a great fight and pretty even.

I don't see why so many people are saying this is bad sportsmanship etc, do you not realise what he endured the past 18 months since that loss to Mir ? It's a fight. Yeah there are rules but it's still a fight.

Killme00

Deleted User wrote: »

If anything, Brock put himself at an even bigger disadvantage before the fight when he refused to touch gloves with Mir, the ref would have been thinking "This guy is going to play dirty" and made the task at hand even more difficult but that is how confident he was of beating Mir.

lol

Deleted User wrote: »

Mir fluked it in the first fight, everyone knows it except Mir and his loyal biased fans.

lol

Is watching the UFc on TV the extent of your knowledge of MMA?

Killme00

ginoginelli wrote: »

Agreed.

GSP v Anderson should happen on either the new years show or the superbowl weeknd one. This would give both the fighter a rest and GSP time to prepare himself for 185.

Silva is fighting Griffin next and then he is likely to face Wandy, so i would say GSP vs Silva would be next year at the earliest. Isnt Hendo the no.1 contender now, so he has to face him again too.

rovert

Dave Meltzer's take which amazingly shut up Sherdog:

A ton of interesting reaction to last night. I'm going to give my old boxing speech with a little bit of a twist. Anyone who has ripped on every athlete who at times shows unsportsmanlike like behavior can say anything they want about Brock Lesnar and that's fine. For those who think that it is going to mean more people will tune out UFC than people he has hooked as fans who want to see him get beat, you are probably as dead wrong as the people who said the same thing about Ali. For those who think Lesnar was a disgrace to the UFC for doing WWE antics, read a real history lesson of how the sport got popular. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie doing WWE interviews, and the funny thing is nobody was more arrogant on his interviews than Gracie, but he was small and beat big guys at first so he backed it up and became the first legend. Shamrock and Tito in 2002 saved UFC when it was one step from death. Did they save it because they were the top two fighters in the world on that night and all these sports fans wanted to pay to find out who was really No. 1?

No. They saved it because they went on "Best Damn Sports Show Period" and cut pro wrestling promos on each other and with no television at all, 150,000 people bought their PPV match, and the UFC owners realized that there was potential in this money losing outfit.

The real history that all the UFC historical retrospectives left out, was that it was the TV shows the two weeks before the Leben vs. Koscheck fight on Ultimate Fighter that was the real building blocks for the success of the sport, not the Griffin and Bonnar fight as has been reported in many places over the past week. Leben vs. Koscheck in a taped match in front of a dozen people in a warehouse like gym drew a higher rating than Griffin and Bonnar did.

In no way do I want to diminish that Griffin-Bonnar was the perfect fight on the perfect night and in the long-term helped more, because they delivered the great fight as opposed to just the great hype that delivered television ratings, but disappointed in the end. What was Matt Serra before Montreal? What was Frank Mir and Michael Bisping this past week? Play some tapes of Ali's promos for Frazier.

There are a lot of very good reasons not to like Brock Lesnar. But whatever media and Hardcore backlash there is against him, which admittedly is some of the most entertaining stuff in a long time, is because he's a former WWE wrestler, not for anything he did. Tank Abbott flipped off fans, and said he was sexually aroused when watching a replay of his match with Paul Varelans. Was Lesnar doing it anymore than Tito Ortiz and his Gay Mezger is my bitch T-shirt, or his grave digging, and take Ortiz out of the history of this sport (and some people are attempting to do that as we speak), and 2006's records never exist. Take 2006 out of the sport's history and you're at a completely different level of interest, media acceptance and CBS, Showtime, and others never get into this game in the first place. The most important fight in getting mainstream interest was a crap third fight with Ortiz and Shamrock. Buy rates mean something to company profitability, but in the media world, ratings are king, because it's a world they understand. What very slowly got the mainstream media into MMA, and as Dana White likes to remind me, took me from one place in life to another, is the media couldn't deny the ratings of the Ortiz-Shamrock match in 2006 on Spike when in 18-34 males it beat several games of that year's World Series. Was that the two best fighters in the world vying to see who was really No. 1? No, it was just a match that the two combatants and the promotion made people want to see more than any other match up to that point in history. And those viewers seeing that crap fight were so turned off by it, that a few months later, when the natural build led to Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell, the company's bank account grew like never before.

We watched people piss in beds and piss in fruit and jack off on sushi, and guess what, more people still watched last night's PPV than any non-boxing event in history most likely. But some guy cutting a WWE-style promo, which Frank Mir and Michael Bisping both did better than he did on television over the past week, is going to turn off more people than he turns on. Hell, if guys in WWE were cutting WWE style promos as good as Mir, Bisping and Lesnar, WWE would be the one whose business would be turning around. When you actually think about the argument, it's almost absurd.

Could it hurt sanctioning in New York and Massachusetts? It's a weird world we live in and anything is possible. In a logical world, that punch Dan Henderson threw was 100 times worse, but you never know how things can mushroom. But I'm guessing it will have no effect. But you never know.

If you are consistent in your beliefs, that's cool. If you're a reactionary fool on this one, calm down and look at the world, and sports in general. When boxing people say what Lesnar did was worse than anything Mike Tyson did, I'm baffled. Did he bite a man's ear off? Did he threaten to eat any children? He cut the best and most talked about promo of his life and what will be the single most talked about promo of the year. And that's bad? Why, because he came from WWE? Why don't they blame the University of Minnesota while we're at it. Is anyone aware of how Lesnar acted as the U of M wrestling matches during his junior and senior year when they had dual meets against the other powers and fans booed him out of the small gyms? Dana White can say Lesnar was acting, and he has to, but he was just being himself, ratcheted up a few notches, because he is in the sports business, which is why he trained his ass off. But he's in the entertainment business, which is why 1 million or more people plucked down $45 last night.

Why is he now the biggest PPV draw in the world since Oscar De La Hoya is now retired? And by the way, when Oscar De La Hoya set his record two years ago, answer this question: Was the reason he set the record because he had an adversary who was or wasn't playing a villain role on purpose to drum up interest in his match?

Because Lesnar became a celebrity from WWE, and because of that, a lot of people like paying to see him fight, either to beat people up, or to get beat up. Who drew more new fans to the sport this past year, St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Fedor or Lesnar?

Some great athletes really aren't nice guys. But that doesn't diminish them as athletes, nor hurt their sport one iota. In the plethora of stories, how many people mentioned how many new fans Lesnar has made for UFC with his fight with Mir and fight with Couture getting hundreds of thousands of first-time buyers? One of the key reasons UFC 100 is going to set records and has already started setting them even before the first PPV returns have come in, is because Brock Lesnar came from WWE and he can really fight. Guess what? The fact that some people look their noses up or have nervous breakdowns about the latter part of the statement is exactly the emotional reaction that makes him so valuable to the sport in the first place. No, it's not the WWE. You have to really be able to fight.

What Lesnar did by ripping on Bud Lite, particularly come so soon after the Dana White/Loretta Hunt deal, was absolutely bad for the company. That's the company'ss leading sponsor, and if I was Dana White, I'd be furious over that one. That was stupid, but I doubt Lesnar was aware of the White/Hunt thing and how everything went down from that. He was just trying to be funny, and actually, if it wasn't the lead sponsor and the timing wasn't absolutely horrible, it would have been funny. Hell, that was the one thing he said that almost the entire crowd cheered and laughed at live. But that line also had zero impact on fans paying money to see him beaten the next time he fights.

But for every MMA fan who criticizes Lesnar's behavior as bad for the sport, it was not even within an earshot of the two worst things of this past week. Just in the last few days, what did Quinton Jackson do a reporter? And then the professional fighter as opposed to a blowhard pro wrestler nearly got into a fight with another fighter at the show last night? Has Lesnar ever got in a situation while at ringside at a UFC show that he ever nearly came to blows with someone? And it's not like Jackson had a spotless track record over the last year. Or what if Lesnar did what Dan Henderson did, which was something a whole lot more significant?

But it got nowhere near the reaction. It's all about emotion and frame of reference. GSP is a babyface that people wanted to see win, and they were happy to see him do the right game plan to achieve his victory. Dan Henderson was there to shut up a loudmouth Brit who was obviously playing a role. And he shut him up, and then shut him up once time extra for bad measure. Lesnar was a heel people wanted to see lose, and were furious to see him succeeding with a game plan that was working. All of those elements were part of the emotions of the night. The goal, in the end, is to make people care.

The history of what has drawn the biggest PPV numbers, what made the sport and saved the sport is a lesson very much worth examining for anyone arguing about what is good or bad for the future of the sport. That duality of the reaction of the crowd live, and a large percentage of those who complained about Lesnar's tactics (but not all), says something pretty significant about MMA and its fan base.

That's not even a bad thing. But it's simply accepting the truth of what all of this is, as opposed to people who live in the world of pretend. And then somehow complain about pro wrestling.

Killme00

Killme00 wrote: »

lol




lol

Is watching the UFc on TV the extent of your knowledge of MMA?

Yeah pretty much however I also do Krav Maga (which combines elements of Muay Thai and BJJ however my experience of BJJ is limited) and can protect myself sufficiently hence why I appreciate MMA as a sport.

Look I'll do you a favour, I'll back track slightly. It wasn't a fluke or luck that Mir won the first fight, but Brock GAVE it to him. He was over excited and baby-ish and gifted it to Mir. Mir took advantage and won fair and square.

Killme00

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah pretty much however I also do Krav Maga (which combines elements of Muay Thai and BJJ however my experience of BJJ is limited) and can protect myself sufficiently hence why I appreciate MMA as a sport.

Look I'll do you a favour, I'll back track slightly. It wasn't a fluke or luck that Mir won the first fight, but Brock GAVE it to him. He was over excited and baby-ish and gifted it to Mir. Mir took advantage and won fair and square.

Brock made a mistake in the first fight and Mir took advantage of it but please dont say brock gave it to him. On Saturday Brock held his position a hundred times better on the ground, if he learns some subs to go with that positioning he will be unreal.

His post fight interview was very good.

Yo Mamma

Has anyone got a '.gif' of Bisbing getting destroyed by Hendo ?

Henderson looked in great shape for the fight and after a couple of hard right hands from him in round 1 u could almost see the fear in Bisbings eyes as he realized he had really underestimated his opponent...... and who wouldn’t have given loud mouth Bisbing an extra bunch of 5's for good measure if given the chance ????

Great weekend for UFC imo,

Don’t know what all the furor is over Brock tbh he is a showman after all and he apologized afterwards in the post fight and even drank some Bud-Light to boot lol

:pac:

David Jones

Here ya go. It never gets old.

Killme00

rovert wrote: »

Dave Meltzer's take which amazingly shut up Sherdog:

What happened with Rampage?

David Jones

This is probably old but you got to love the underground humour on occasion.

David Jones

Yes as you can see Im bored waiting on an insurance assessor, but here is a pre ass kicked Mr Mir. You got to love hindsight.

Seifer

rovert wrote: »

Dave Meltzer's take which amazingly shut up Sherdog:

It's great that you do all the article trawling rovert, keep up the good work
Dave Meltzer needs to improve his basic English though, some of those sentences barely made sense.

shenanigans1982

Seifer wrote: »

It's great that you do all the article trawling rovert, keep up the good work
Dave Meltzer needs to improve his basic English though, some of those sentences barely made sense.

Thou shalt not criticze Meltzer....his word is gospel. Although it does explain where the "Everyone hates Brock because he came from WWE" response to criticism came from.

Charlie3dan

I remebering seeing this and thinking Dan was pretty vicious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch8tx-dwRFo

but at least he's consistent I don't think it was a personal thing with Bisping.

rovert

Seifer wrote: »

It's great that you do all the article trawling rovert, keep up the good work
Dave Meltzer needs to improve his basic English though, some of those sentences barely made sense.

In fairness Dave was operating on no sleep when he wrote that. Even that said Dave's writing does kind of slip into stream of conscious type stuff from time to time. But you really can’t fault his logic or his understanding of history and context.

Has anyone heard anything on Mir obviously he was hiding his knee with those leggings at the weight in was it reinjured or what?

shenanigans1982

Charlie3dan wrote: »

I remebering seeing this and thinking Dan was pretty vicious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch8tx-dwRFo

but at least he's consistent I don't think it was a personal thing with Bisping.

Does the ref point and laugh at Silva after the first punch?:pac:

Still think Hendo was playing to the crowd though.

Yo Mamma

O. U . C . H .

dunkamania

TheEntrepreneur & amacachi banned for 2 weeks.

We have very clear rules on fighter abuse.

cmb.

Yo Mamma wrote: »

O. U . C . H .

Did Hendo kiss his right hand after the initial KO?

rovert

UFC 100 Payroll

Brock Lesnar — $400,000 (No win bonus)
Frank Mir — $45,000
Lesnar defeated Mir via technical knockout (strikes) in round two

Georges St. Pierre — $400,000 ($200,000 to show, $200,000 to win)
Thiago Alves — $60,000
St. Pierre defeated Alves via unanimous decision

Dan Henderson — $250,000 ($100,000 to show, $150,000 to win)
Michael Bisping — $150,000
Henderson defeated Bisping via knockout (punch) in round two

Yoshihiro Akiyama — $60,000 ($40,000 to show, $20,000 to win)
Alan Belcher — $19,000
Akiyama defeated Belcher via split decision

Mark Coleman — $100,000 ($50,000 to show, $50,000 to win)
Stephan Bonnar — $25,000
Coleman defeated Bonnar via unanimous decision

Jim Miller — $22,000 ($11,000 to show, $11,000 to win)
Mac Danzig — $20,000
Miller defeated Danzig via unanimous decision

Jon Jones — $18,000 ($9,000 to show, $9,000 to win)
Jake O’Brien — $7,000
Jones defeated O’Brien via submission (guillotine choke) in round two

Dong Hyun Kim — $58,000 ($29,000 to show, $29,000 to win)
TJ Grant — $5,000
Kim defeated Grant via unanimous decision

Tom Lawlor — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
CB Dolloway — $14,000
Lawlor defeated Dolloway via submission (guillotine choke) in round one

Shannon Gugerty — $10,000 ($5,000 to show, $5,000 to win)
Matt Grice — $7,000
Gugerty defeated Grice via submission (guillotine choke) in round one

Jon Fitch — $90,000 ($45,000 to show, $45,000 to win)
Paulo Thiago — $8,000
Fitch defeated Thiago via unanimous decision

Mir needs Bisping's agent. :eek:

Kazooie

Good spot. Looks like he does kiss it alright. That's class.

venividivici

is that really how much they got paid??

sweet dreams bisping..oh i hate him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rovert

venividivici wrote: »

is that really how much they got paid??

Minus PPV & performance bonuses

rovert

Here is another something for the Bisping haters someone dug this quote of Bisping from an article last week:

“In terms of a game plan, I want to knock him out,” said Bisping. “He’s got God awful stand-up. But he’s got a very powerful right hand that everyone talks about, that hasn’t KO’d anyone for a long time, and you can see it coming because he’s so slow with it.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Avx55X9LmFkW0m6Ihz.TvYhWEo14?slug=dm-bisping070209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

:rolleyes:

LeoGilly

cmb. wrote: »

Did Hendo kiss his right hand after the initial KO?

I would say he did. Makes it even sweeter! Not a fan of Bisping. Really enjoyed the fight.

mirwillbeback

Have to laugh at all the haters of fighters, slagging off Mir and Bisping for their attitudes and hype pre fight.

What do you expect them to say, " I don't have a chance" -it's testament to them to have that bravado and self belief.

Credit to anyone who gets in the Octagon. What worries me is that if Lesnar is the template for future champs, ie incredibly strong and wrestling skills, are we going back in time to ground and pound?

And will there be a rubber fight between Mir and Lesnar - or will i change my user name : )

venividivici

suppose i have to agree, i still don't like bisping though!!

anyway, do you really, hand on heart, think there's any point of another fight between them?? i don't!!

mirwillbeback

venividivici wrote: »

suppose i have to agree, i still don't like bisping though!!

anyway, do you really, hand on heart, think there's any point of another fight between them?? i don't!!

not really, but who knows, a slip or a mistake and it could be curtains. realistically, i can't see Lesnar lose for a while, he is just so strong.

i was thought bjj was a great leveller for smaller guys against big lads, but Lesnar might make me change my mind and I'll pack up the Gracie t shirts and hit the weights instead.

and for all this " Frank is a dick " talk, he showed loads of class post fight, far far more than Brock did, and as I said before, I just don't get the Mir hate.

agree with you about Bisping though, he had that coming. I also think that if it was Randy or GSP who had taken that savage last " superfly snuka punch " there would be absolute outrage - but cos Bisping is such a mouth most were happy to see it

Kazooie

venividivici wrote: »

suppose i have to agree, i still don't like bisping though!!

anyway, do you really, hand on heart, think there's any point of another fight between them?? i don't!!

Why not? It's 1 all now. Lesnar's win was more dominating but doesn't Frank deseve a shot at revenge?