TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

Martin_F

watty wrote: »

if it's Freeview, which it is, then has MHEG5.

I was forgetting that.

reslfj

watty wrote: »

if it's Freeview, which it is, then has MHEG5.

All "Freeview HD" have MPEG4 and MHEG5

But these Samsung models are "HD Ready Freeview" and that is very different from "Freeview HD", which they are not.

I would say the text is misleading without at least a comma between 'HD Ready' and 'Freeview'.


Lars

STB

reslfj wrote: »

But these Samsung models are "HD Ready Freeview" and that is very different from "Freeview HD", which they are not.

I would say the text is misleading without at least a comma between 'HD Ready' and 'Freeview'.


Lars

Lars you are right about labelling, but it is irrelevant to this question anyway. The chap is asking wether they are suitable for Irish DTT, which they are as they are both have MPEG4 H264 processors on board (although they are Freeview branded) and will do MHEG5 (with UK settings at the very least).

Worst comes to the worst you will have to use UK country profile option which will enable MHEG5 usage, DTT stations automatically tune in as MPEG4 processor is on board.

reslfj

STB wrote: »

Lars you are right about labelling, but it is irrelevant to this question anyway. The chap is asking wether they are suitable for Irish DTT, which they are as they are both have MPEG4 H264 processors on board (although they are Freeview branded) and will do MHEG5 (with UK settings at the very least).
Worst comes to the worst you will have to use UK country profile option which will enable MHEG5 usage, DTT stations automatically tune in as MPEG4 processor is on board.

This may well be true in this case and in most cases. I think, however, that some 'device' disabled MPEG-4 decompression when UK was selected -(I can't remember the details)

I am sure you know that the combination DVB-T/MPEG-4 is specifically NOT allowed by Ofcom in any UK DTT transmissions.

Some brands we have seen in Denmark have disabled some 'Nordic' features - like MPEG-4 - when a model is sold in a German shop - I think - in order to limit parallel imports. Samsung is (or was) one of the brands doing this.

I guess I would only say "Be carefull - do not assume, check"


Lars

JabbaTheHut

I was going to buy this set

http://www.vmaxx.ie/index.php/default/catalog/product/view/id/10488/s/lg-42ld450-lcd-television/?utm_source=shopmania&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=direct_link

but seeing as this one http://www.vmaxx.ie/index.php/default/catalog/product/view/id/10469/s/lg-42ld550-lcd-television/?utm_source=shopmania&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=direct_link

is 100hz and only €15 more, I thought it wouild be a better buy. I know the first one works here with digital Tv and has mheg 5, but I've looked across the net and *think* the second one with 100hz is also compatiable. Some sites like this one http://www.ciao.co.uk/Productinformation/LG_42LD550__7938193 says it's DVB-T mpeg 4. But can anyone tell me for sure if it is fully compatiable for Saorview, including teletext.

On a side note, I believe Vmaxx is a reseller for pixmania, who I'd never deal with again, but seing as my contract is with Vmaxx, I'd feel I'd have a better expeience. Maybe I'd be wrong.

watty

They are just a pixmania drop shipper.

Pixmania is Dixons/Currys/PCWorld. DSG

JabbaTheHut

Yeah. Thought they were something like that. I don't have a problem buying from someone else at all, once the price is right and the TV will work here. Do you think it will?

JabbaTheHut

Just to let anyone know. I found out ,the 42LD550 will not work here.

JonathonS

Strange one. According to Vmaxx it has an MPEG4 H.264 tuner (it has the HDTV logo and TNT HD also) but it is also has Freeview logo so it has MHEG5. But the UK model on LG UK site is not Freeeview HD. Maybe Vmaxx are putting up logos that don't apply??

STB

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Just to let anyone know. I found out ,the 42LD550 will not work here.

Who told you that ?

Of course it will. Its 1080p and hasnt a hope of playing those Divx files it claims to if it doesnt! It has DVB-T and DVB-C MPEG4 "tuners" (its the processor but anyway). All that series from the LG LD 320's up have MPEG4 DVB-T. The 550 model is the one with the DLNA/wifi extra. [url=hFull spec

JonathonS wrote: »

Strange one. According to Vmaxx it has an MPEG4 H.264 tuner (it has the HDTV logo and TNT HD also) but it is also has Freeview logo so it has MHEG5. But the UK model on LG UK site is not Freeeview HD. Maybe Vmaxx are putting up logos that don't apply??

We (Ireland) use MPEG4 H264 on DVB-T for HD and SD.
T

he UK use MPEG4 H264 on DVB-T2 for HD. That is a different tuner. It wont work in the UK for HD, but it will in Ireland for HD as we use DVB-T and MPEG4.

Hence the confusion for both of yis. Dont read UK websites for Irish DTT requirements unless you live in a border area and hope to pick up (in addition to Saorview) Freeview HD when it switches on from NI at end 2012..

STB

reslfj wrote: »

This may well be true in this case and in most cases. I think, however, that some 'device' disabled MPEG-4 decompression when UK was selected -(I can't remember the details)

Yes that is the case and seems exclusively the case with the Panasonic DVB-T/Freesat HD Combo Tvs due to their sneaky interpretation of how DBook should be implemented.

Nearly all other MPEG4 H264 profile chipset TV's have not disabled HD and SD usage for MPEG4 in DVB-t transmission. IE they have included full ETSI defined service types.

reslfj wrote: »

I am sure you know that the combination DVB-T/MPEG-4 is specifically NOT allowed by Ofcom in any UK DTT transmissions.

Yes, but manuafcturers such as LG/Samsung, Phillips ship their TVs with MPEG4 processors as they are not manufactured to one country's specification but rather a group of countries. The days of onboard MPEG2 chips on major manufacturers LCDs are gone except for old warehoused stock.

reslfj wrote: »

Some brands we have seen in Denmark have disabled some 'Nordic' features - like MPEG-4 - when a model is sold in a German shop - I think - in order to limit parallel imports. Samsung is (or was) one of the brands doing this.

I guess I would only say "Be carefull - do not assume, check"
Lars

Yes Lars, but that is product control and should not be tolerated, free trade no borders etc, like ourselves you have been an EU member since the early 70s!

The major problem we have with manufacturers is consistency in implementation of the basic specifications in Irish profile.

example: having to choose UK country profile for MHEG5 software engine to be enabled. Otherwise it is MHP by default for Ireland (Sony/LG okay in the main, but not consistent)! Phillips are sorting out their H range for Ireland, supposedly.

Gerry Wicklow

STB wrote: »

Yes Lars, but that is product control and should not be tolerated, free trade no borders etc, like ourselves you have been an EU member since the early 70s!

It should be interesting to see how that current UK court case re:- Europe wide satellite subscriptions changes the market.

kierank01

quick question

Is the mheg5 content consistant over different tv sets?

or do the manufacturers put custom skins/guis on the content?

JabbaTheHut

STG, I sent an email to LG and asked them if it would work in Ireland with Saorview. This is the response.

Thank you for your email

The 42LD550 will not support Saorview as it does not have an MPEG4 tuner. However, the 42LD490, a very similar TV, does. As long as the Tv has a FREEVIEW HD tuner it will work with Saorview. A HD tuner is a MPEG4 tuner.

I hope this is of some assistance to you.

Also, I contacted Vmaxx, with the same type question, and this is the reply.

Hi,
Unfortunately not as it only has a standard tuner
(MPEG-2), you would need to find a TV with MPEG-4
tuner to receive Saorview.
Patrick

- admin_vmaxx

I took their word for it, especially LG's since they made it. Didn't mean to mislead anyone.

Also, today a found a forum that seems to say that the American version is different to the European version. Can't find the damn link now

STB

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

STG, I sent an email to LG and asked them if it would work in Ireland with Saorview. This is the response.

Thank you for your email

The 42LD550 will not support Saorview as it does not have an MPEG4 tuner. However, the 42LD490, a very similar TV, does. As long as the Tv has a FREEVIEW HD tuner it will work with Saorview. A HD tuner is a MPEG4 tuner.

I hope this is of some assistance to you.

Also, I contacted Vmaxx, with the same type question, and this is the reply.

Hi,
Unfortunately not as it only has a standard tuner
(MPEG-2), you would need to find a TV with MPEG-4
tuner to receive Saorview.
Patrick

- admin_vmaxx

I took their word for it, especially LG's since they made it. Didn't mean to mislead anyone.

Also, today a found a forum that seems to say that the American version is different to the European version. Can't find the damn link now

These people are idiots. They have confused the spec for the UK with Ireland.

Get them to check again. The UK LG website says Freeview under Tuner, but LG package MPEG4 processors into their TVs as they are European wide (and MPEG4 decodes MPEG2 broadcasts - its a convenience product banding) It has both an MPEG4 DVB-T and DVB-C tuner. The TV is sold all over Europe.

http://aio.lv/en/domashnyaya-elektronika/lcd-televizory/lg-42ld550_2/?chande_product_view=blocks&chande_product_stock=stock

Yes this model is sold in the US, but the Americans use ATSC tuners instead of DVB-T.

Martin_F

The LD490 is the Freeview HD version

the LD450 is standard Freeview (but MPEG4)

(afaik)

watty

Also AFAIK the xxLD450 is 100% Soarview compatible apart from OTA updates. (uses USB stick).

The xxLD490 is a strict "Freeview HD" only, apparently a UK only model. This means it currently won't display TV3 and TG4 EBU Teletext, only RTE's MHEG5 text is displayed. If there was NO MHEG5 text in the Multiplex it would do EBU Teletext on Digital. Otherwise similar to xxLD450, but DVB-T2 vs DVB-T for UK, Saorview+Wales/IOM inc HD or border areas + Saorview (Freeview only now, Freeview HD end 2012). The xxLD450 also has a not-included WiFi option.

If you have a choice, the xxLD450 is better for areas with no UK overspill, and for areas with overspill, the xxLD490 as long as you can live without TV3 & TG4 EBU text till they add MHEG5 text.

JabbaTheHut

Thanks for the info. I wasn't too sure if the 42LD550 was going to work here or not, but as STG says, it should. It was the 100hz that I was going to buy it for, but it seems that it's only usefull for sport, and it's best to turn it off for non sport shows. I eventually found that link I was talking about which gives a lot of info of the European V the US version. http://www.avforums.com/forums/lg-forum/1209440-official-lg-ld550-lcd-thread.html .Seems Europe does not do as well as the US. The thread is focused on the UK.

TIPP2011

Hello i am new to this forum.I am just wondering does the Toshiba 32av773f have mheg5 text for rte.

watty

US has different issues, their system is quite different to Europe. So take anything you read about US models and issues solved with a pinch of salt.

There isn't really any advantage to 100Hz, and LCDs and Plasma ghost *MORE* at that speed than slower speeds.

corcaigh07

is there such a thing as a cheap saorview box that will do HD? i got an oldish LG, good telly but seems to be only MPEG2

watty

If it doesn't do HD, it's not compatible AT ALL with Irish Digital.

The cheapest solutions that are almost fully compatible are "Freeview HD" boxes. There are cheaper boxes but they have no MHEG5, which is NOT simply a new form of teletext.

Avoid these models (black list)

JabbaTheHut

Thanks for the advice guys. Much apperciated.

huggs2

I have a philips 42pfl9664h/12 bought dec.09 locally and i can get mheg5 text fine with uk country setting.The thing is i lose the radio channels when i do this which means i have to decide wheather i want irish radio channels or mheg5 text. I have been on to philips support but the girl there dosent think there is anything that can be done.She is getting a senior person to ring me back.where do i stand in all of this?

watty

The firmware is faulty. Philips on other thread in email admit this. The Shop should replace and it's their job to harrass Philips. Your contract is with retailer.

huggs2

watty wrote: »

The firmware is faulty. Philips on other thread in email admit this. The Shop should replace and it's their job to harrass Philips. Your contract is with retailer.

Thanks watty do you have the link to this other thread?

huggs2

Found the thread thanks

jimmyjim11

Any one have a LG M2762D TV ? will MHEG5 work on it ?

It has a MPEG4 tuner

JonathonS

About €300 incl shipping for a used 27in? At that screen size full HD vs HD-Ready makes little difference, you can buy a brand new Walker or LG 26in in Power City for that money.

Gipo3

jimmyjim11 wrote: »

Any one have a LG M2762D TV ? will MHEG5 work on it ?

It has a MPEG4 tuner

Yes that works with saorview incl. mheg5