TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

davidod1

Could I ask some of the knowledgeable folk here on this thread about tuning in Saorview channels on my 15" MEOS-DVD154B * 2010 Model? It has an MPEG4 Tuner with the MHEG-5 Automatic tuning system.

In order to auto scan you select the country of choice from a list that includes many Scandinavian countries - I have tried Denmark and Finland.

The result is that seven TV stations and ten radio stations get listed. The EPG lists the full information and you can here the radio stations perfectly. However there is no TV picture or sound.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Dave

Martin_F

highly likely that the MPEG4 refers to DVD playback rather than DTT reception.

Key Features:
Freeview Digital TV (DVB-T), with Auto Tune
Analogue TV tuner, with Auto Tune
Multi-Standard Tuner: PAL/SECAM. Use the TV across Europe.
HD Ready TV. 1 x HDMI input
Receives Digital Radio
Region free DVD player
MPEG4 / DivX player
CD / VCD / MP3 Player
AV Output / Input function
SD/MMC/MS Card Reader
USB memory stick port
Digital photo frame function
SCART input jack - connect a satellite receiver or video games console
VGA input jack- use as a computer monitor
Headphone input jack
Digital Freeview Recorder (PVR) with time shift function. Record Freeview TV programmes to USB memory stick or external hard drive. Easy to use.

davidod1

Yes Martin_F I see what you mean. If you can select countries like Denmark and Finland from the drop-down list on the DTT Autotuning does this not infer that it has an MPEG4 tuner?

Dave

watty

No, Sadly.

This is why NO Retailer should mention MPEG4 or MPEG2. You listening Harvey Norman and Currys?

They should ONLY label it Not Compatible, Irish Digital Compatible or Soarview Certified as a minimum.
http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/for-retailers/

and http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056176393

dahamster

The Cush wrote: »

Add to that list

Sony KDL-26V4500
Samsung LE22B470 (TV/DVD Combi) great small room / bedroom set

Can you confirm the samsung LE22B470C9MXXU has an mpeg4 tuner as i cant confirm the specs for it

The Cush

dahamster wrote: »

Can you confirm the samsung LE22B470C9MXXU has an mpeg4 tuner as i cant confirm the specs for it

I can confirm that the Samsung LE22B470 has an MPEG-4 decoder and receives the Irish DTT channels with MHEG-5 digital text on RTÉ 2 HD and RTÉ News Now, traditional "analogue" text on the other channels.

Martin_F

Martin_F wrote: »

I'm fairly sure both of these are MPEG4 ?

http://www.richersounds.com/product/led-tv/samsung/fx2490hd/sams-fx2490hd

http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/samsung/b2430hd/sams-b2430hd

Can any one shed any light on their MHEG5 support? - my gut feeling is yes - but found nothing to confirm it online.

Received one of the B2430HD's yesterday. Pleased to confirm no nasty surprises.
MHEG5 working on all 3 RTE channels in Irish profile with no hassle (online user manual stills says UK only for MHEG5) and all stations tv/radio loud and clear.

Souriau

watty wrote: »

No, Sadly.

This is why NO Retailer should mention MPEG4 or MPEG2. You listening Harvey Norman and Currys?

They should ONLY label it Not Compatible, Irish Digital Compatible or Soarview Certified as a minimum.
http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/for-retailers/

and http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056176393

I was in Richer Sounds in Belfast yesterday and asked about a TV that is SAORview compatable, the sale assistance did not know what I was talking about so I said for Irish digial terrestrial, he said "you mean MPEG-4?"
Still lot are not yet sure to called the Irish DTT system with correct name as I found out.

Machinehead

Souriau wrote: »

I was in Richer Sounds in Belfast yesterday and asked about a TV that is SAORview compatable, the sale assistance did not know what I was talking about so I said for Irish digial terrestrial, he said "you mean MPEG-4?"
Still lot are not yet sure to called the Irish DTT system with correct name as I found out.

Same all over. I was in Harvey Normans yesterday they had an "Irish Digital TV Ready" (or compatible can't remember which) sticker on a Panasonic TX-L42D25L. Load of cobblers. I know this TV isn't fully compatible - no MHEG5, cause I've got one of those & Panasonic don't seem too interested on resolving this issue.

mickeyboymel

At the end of the day, it really is time now to insist on being given a full demonstration of any model to show: It Can Receive RTE2 on Channel 2, The Full MHEG5 text on the same channel and all 17 available channels....period. If they cannot show a demo, forget about buying there.

Edit: Ok if your in Belfast or Northern Ireland this may not be possible.

Souriau

mickeyboymel wrote: »

At the end of the day, it really is time now to insist on being given a full demonstration of any model to show: It Can Receive RTE2 on Channel 2, The Full MHEG5 text on the same channel and all 17 available channels....period. If they cannot show a demo, forget about buying there.

Edit: Ok if your in Belfast or Northern Ireland this may not be possible.

Not yet available but will be soon when the power of DTT is turn up and all analouge transmitters are turn off
AFAIK RTE1, RTE2 & TG4 could be transmitted on another MUX on the North transmitters and possibly on DVB-T1 MPEG-4 format so end of next year, we would have 3 systems to received
DVB-T1 MPEG-2 - Freeview
DVB-T2 MPEG-4 - Freeview HD
DVB-T1 MPEG-4 - SAORview

watty

Not quite accurate. if RTE and TG4 are on N.I. Transmitters (with maybe only 3 channels, maybe no HD either!) it will be a DVB-T2 MPEG4 "lite" Mux after N.I. ASO in 2012, so could even be 2013. It may not happen as all of N.I. will get Full Saorview content for "free" via Saorsat after may 2011. The N.I. "lite" DVB-T2 Mux scheme has to be paid for by someone and isn't cheap.

For people able to get Freeview (later Freeview HD) and Saorview, a "Freeview HD" receiver is best. Main disadvantages for Saorview is no traditional so called Analogue Text (EBU Teletext), only MHEG5 Text, and the handfull of Irish channels are 80x rather than 10x, neither is a big issue if you are getting Freeview.

A "Freeview HD" receiver / box/ TV is fully backward compatible with Freeview.
See http://www.saortv.info/about/n-i-digital/
www.mpeg4ireland.com is another good site.

Sam Russell

Souriau wrote: »

Not yet available but will be soon when the power of DTT is turn up and all analouge transmitters are turn off
AFAIK RTE1, RTE2 & TG4 could be transmitted on another MUX on the North transmitters and possibly on DVB-T1 MPEG-4 format so end of next year, we would have 3 systems to received
DVB-T1 MPEG-2 - Freeview
DVB-T2 MPEG-4 - Freeview HD
DVB-T1 MPEG-4 - SAORview

I beleive that if RTE1,2 and TG4 are to be broadcast from NI, it will be the same spec as FreeviewHD, T2/MPEG4. The MUX will be setup to be more robust, so can use lower power.

MartyM

Hi Guys

Whats the difference between the Sony KDL-32V5810 and the KDL-32W5810?

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-v-series/kdl-32v5810#pageType=TechnicalSpecs
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-32w5810#pageType=TechnicalSpecs

The W Series specifically mentions Freesat, neither reference MPEG-4 that I can see? Confusing!

Regardless, they both sound like great Freesat/Saorview solutions for a second room where PVR functionality is not so important!

I see Powercity only sell the V series, anywhere selling the W?

Sam Russell

MartyM wrote: »

Hi Guys

Whats the difference between the Sony KDL-32V5810 and the KDL-32W5810?

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-v-series/kdl-32v5810#pageType=TechnicalSpecs
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-32w5810#pageType=TechnicalSpecs

The W Series specifically mentions Freesat, neither reference MPEG-4 that I can see? Confusing!

Regardless, they both sound like great Freesat/Saorview solutions for a second room where PVR functionality is not so important!

I see Powercity only sell the V series, anywhere selling the W?

50Hz and 100Hz. The V is 50 Hz and the W is 100 Hz

Both are MPEG 4. Both are Freesat when set to UK, otherwise FTA.

Both get Saorview, but up in the 800's.

The Cush

MartyM wrote: »

Whats the difference between the Sony KDL-32V5810 and the KDL-32W5810?

V = 50Hz
W = 100 Hz

Only the V available now that I know of. The series has been discontinued in the UK with the move to Freeview-HD/DVB-T2. May still be available on mainland Europe where it works as a FTA receiver with DiSEqC.

The range has both MPEG-4 decoder and MHEG-5 digital text. The Sony UK site never mentions MPEG-4/DVB-T as that standard is not used there and would cause confusion with DVB-T2/MPEG-4 aka Freeview-HD.

Got my W last July from Peats for €519. Great TV.

fat-tony

Sam Russell wrote: »

50Hz and 100Hz. The V is 50 Hz and the W is 100 Hz

Both are MPEG 4. Both are Freesat when set to UK, otherwise FTA.

Both get Saorview, but up in the 800's.

Trivial to change the channels from 800s to 1, 2, 3 etc:)

MartyM

Sam Russell wrote: »

50Hz and 100Hz. The V is 50 Hz and the W is 100 Hz

Both are MPEG 4. Both are Freesat when set to UK, otherwise FTA.

Both get Saorview, but up in the 800's.

Thanks Guys! I guess there's no definitive answer on the 50Hz V 100Hz debate and its purely down to the individual??

Sam Russell

MartyM wrote: »

Thanks Sam! I guess there's no definitive answer on the 50Hz V 100Hz debate and its purely down to the individual??

The 100 Hz is dearer. Your money, your choice.

MartyM

Sam Russell wrote: »

The 100 Hz is dearer. Your money, your choice.

I wasn't really thinking of it from a financial perspective. More a case of which is better? I know 100Hz should provide a better PQ and reduce flicker but from what I've read its pretty much up to the person viewing it...some may find 50Hz better.

Also the improvement with 100Hz is apparently more noticable with analogue?

watty

Really it's the 120Hz for interlaced source. 100Hz here is snake oil. No value to it. Mostly will degrade picture compared to 50Hz. The actual pictures (DVD, BD or Broadcast) are only 25fps. (Decent BD and DVD are from 24fps film speeded to 25fps and then sound pitch corrected by 5%).

The USA has a problem as 24fps film doesn't nicely go to 30fps. 60fps is a bit better and 120 Hz helps a little. 100Hz or Progressive at all is mostly irrelevant here.

Besides no LCD or plasma "really" can go that fast. You get ghosting.

dahamster

The Cush wrote: »

I can confirm that the Samsung LE22B470 has an MPEG-4 decoder and receives the Irish DTT channels with MHEG-5 digital text on RTÉ 2 HD and RTÉ News Now, traditional "analogue" text on the other channels.

got it today bang on.:D goin cheap on amazon at the mo : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LE22B470-22-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B002TLTEBY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298047438&sr=8-1

spanx

Hi,
I'm looking for a monitor that doubles as a TV.
Was looking at the Samsung B2430HD because of the USB connection, which would be nice.

No mention of MPEG4 on Amazon.co.uk, but it is stated here (polish), here (french) and here (moneysupermarket.com).

Does that mean it will definitely decode this new RTE2 whatsit?

Cheers

watty

Always look for a TV that doubles as a Monitor!

DVI will feed HDMI.

Only look for "monitor that doubles as a TV" if you want a rubbish TV designed originally for 60fps progressive.

huggs2

watty wrote: »

Always look for a TV that doubles as a Monitor!

DVI will feed HDMI.

Only look for "monitor that doubles as a TV" if you want a rubbish TV designed originally for 60fps progressive.

I have a philips tv which i also use at times with my computer ( DVI to HDMI.)
In pc mode it gets me 1920x1080p-60 Hz.unscaled.I find the picture and sound to be really good.;)

watty

Yes, that's the way to go. The LG TV we have here does 24, 25, 50, 60 Hz
Works well on DVI->HDMI, HDMI->HDMI and direct VGA from PC to Screen.

Oddly the VGA connector on LG 42LD450 doesn't support 50fps. So a PC with BD player, DTT stick, Satellite Card etc needs GPU/GFX card with DVI or HDMI so you can do 50Hz/50fps.

Philips isn't the best brand for Irish Digital though.

Souriau

watty wrote: »

Philips isn't the best brand for Irish Digital though.

Watty
So, I take it the best brands for Saorview is LG, Samsung and Sony?
Is that correct?
I am looking for a new TV so I will go for a LG freeview HD which allow me to received all 3 formats of DVB-T, MPEG-2 & 4, and T2 which will be available next year in my area in NI.
I will wait till the official release of Saurview soon and after that, I see what is best for me to get.

What is your view on LG 42LX6900, Full LED?

spanx

Martin_F wrote: »

Received one of the B2430HD's yesterday. Pleased to confirm no nasty surprises.
MHEG5 working on all 3 RTE channels in Irish profile with no hassle (online user manual stills says UK only for MHEG5) and all stations tv/radio loud and clear.

Ah cool, found the answer to my question. Bad searching on my part.
Thanks

huggs2

"Philips isn't the best brand for Irish Digital though."

I thought when philips sorted the mheg5 problem i would be out of the woods as it were.I dont notice anything wrong with my set up for irish digital at the moment or is there something down the line that i am not aware of? My tv does 24,25,30,50,60Hz.

watty

If you select Ireland as Country the MHEG5 is disabled.

On LG we have, selecting Ireland makes the Text usage of MHEG5 Irish compatible (allows Teletext on TV3 & TG4) rather than the normal UK "freeview" setting of ignore EBU Teletext if any MHEG5 text. The LG xxLD490 though is a UK only TV that works here, so on it you can't view TV3 and TG4 text until they add MHEG5 pages.