Rememberance Poppy

starn

This time of year I wer a poppy. Im normally in the UK and pick it up there. As Im not going there this year. I've been trying to pick one up inDublin and cant find one. Does anyone know where I can pick one up.

I also know some Irish people who would wear a lilly [ I also wear a lilly] at easter refuse to wear the poppy. Would anyone here in boards refuse to wear a lilly

Peared

Yeah Think I saw them in, whatsitcalled, that other country that raped our country and tried to cull us. Forget now.

Terry

I don't wear lillies or poppies or wrist bands or little heart shaped badges or any of that crap.
I really don't see the point in adorning myself with pointless paraphenalia.

Violence might have been neccessary but it shouldn't be something we are proud of. Well imo.
No Lily for me.

Charities make up for so many of the failing in our healthcare system, that I think it is important to support and publise their cause.

starn

Peared wrote: »

Yeah Think I saw them in, whatsitcalled, that other country that raped our country and tried to cull us. Forget now.

Where abouts was that. France

robinph

starn wrote: »

Where abouts was that. France

Denmark possibly?

Peared

Talkin bout poppies.

The clue was in the word "us".

This is Ireland, right?

Theres a reason you cant find poppies. A good one.

Dave!

Irish people fought in the wars too, there's no reason not to wear a poppy... I'm just not arsed.

YeatsCounty

I wore the poppy when I lived in Canada (they have the poppy at this time of year for their troops). Many Canadians died in Europe, especially in WWII when they choose to go to war (they effectively had to go to war as a Commonwealth member in WWI afaik, not that this diminishes their sacrifice during that war).

Anyway, I'm waffling. I'd wear the poppy for Canadian (and Irish) soldiers over here but the reception may not be the best, and fair enough on that score.


To the OP: If you want to contribute money to the British Legion in lieu of being able to buy a poppy, this link may be of assistance.

As to whether I'd wear an Easter lilly, I would have absolutely no problem with doing that.

leninbenjamin

It's a British custom not an Irish one. simple as for me. If i were in Britain i might wear one but i dont see the point here...

Binomate

I can't remember any of the people who died in previous wars for the life of me. Can someone remind me please?

gurramok

A suggestion maybe is for some new Irish way to remember those who were conned to serve in WWI on the pretext of fighting for freedom back then instead of importing a foreign custom to remember them as they served in a foreign uniform.

robinph

Peared wrote: »

Talkin bout poppies.

The clue was in the word "us".

This is Ireland, right?

Theres a reason you cant find poppies. A good one.

It is a uniquely Irish thing to get 'offended' by anything that has the slightest hint of Britishness about it like the poppy. Even the Germans would struggle to be so insulted by such things. :rolleyes:

Huggles

Peared wrote: »

Talkin bout poppies.

The clue was in the word "us".

This is Ireland, right?

Theres a reason you cant find poppies. A good one.

Oh do please tell us, I'm dying to hear it.

It's not about nationalities it is about the WAR DEAD, that is WAR DEAD of every country.

delta_bravo

Why is the thread title completely different to the poll question? To me, a poppy is to commerate WWI and WWII soldiers, while a lily is a symbol for quite a different matter

Hagar

In Ireland we have a quaint ritual of wearing shamrock on St. Patrick's Day.
Strangely enough we don't wear it for 3 weeks before nor do we coerce every guest on every TV show during that period to wear it. We have quite enough of our own little customs to be getting on with without worrying about those from foreign lands so I'll just pass on your poppy if you don't mind.

andrew

As the gooner said, and from wiki:

"remembrance Day... is a day to commemorate the sacrifice of veterans and civilians in World War I, World War II, and other wars." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

So its all wars, not just in world war 1. in any case, a crapload of irish died in wwI . I just wouldnt wear one because i'm not into badges.

leninbenjamin

andrew wrote: »

As the gooner said, and from wiki:

"remembrance Day... is a day to commemorate the sacrifice of veterans and civilians in World War I, World War II, and other wars." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

So its all wars, not just in world war 1. in any case, a crapload of irish died in wwI . I just wouldnt wear one because i'm not into badges.

the poppy though is in order to raise funds for the Royal British Legion. slight difference. fund rasiing tool for the benefit of those who served in the British forces. keyword: British. It might be worth noting most of us here: Irish.

i think why someone wouldn't wear it is understandable, just like i think why someone might is also. what difference does it make whether they do or not?

andrew

probably should have read more than the first paragraph, damn wikipedia never conscise enough!

Huggles

leninbenjamin wrote: »

the poppy though is in order to raise funds for the Royal British Legion. slight difference. fund rasiing tool for the benefit of those who served in the British forces. keyword: British. It might be worth noting most of us here: Irish.

i think why someone wouldn't wear it is understandable, just like i think why someone might is also. what difference does it make whether they do or not?

I have no problem with your point above. My problem with it starts when you have the likes of the posters above being so anti English British etc and not actually knowing the history and the significance of the poppy.

Nationalism gone mad.

Anyways, my Great Grandfather served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers and he was killed on the first day of the Somme. I would wear a poppy. Definitely.

L1011

Whats the lily at easter for? Excuse my non-christianness for not knowing....

You can get poppies here, at least in Dublin theres usually a few sellers.

delta_bravo

leninbenjamin wrote: »

the poppy though is in order to raise funds for the Royal British Legion. slight difference. fund rasiing tool for the benefit of those who served in the British forces. keyword: British. It might be worth noting most of us here: Irish.

But during WWI we would have been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

deadprez

Jesus,I can't believe the ignorance of some people here. You would actually refuse to wear one on the grounds of our history with the UK? That's absurd and uneducated to say the least. over 100 men from cork and surrounding counties jumped from planes in Holland in a bid to assist the struggle against occupied Europe. Had the Nazi war machine been successful then Ireland would have been decimated and forced into death camps as the rest of Europe was. We are not of Arian origin, at least we don't look it, and would surely have suffered gravely as a result. The German government had a 1000 year plan to be the worlds dominating race, look what they did in 5 years. It makes me sick to think that people can actually have bitter thoughts about British rule in Ireland and thus attribute that to the war effort. It's a very sorry state of affairs and does not make me very proud to be Irish with such low life opinions. If there were poppies available in Ireland then I would be donning one for the heroes who fought and fell for our freedoms. This was not a "war on terror" it was a World War and could have led to dominance of Europe and possibly the world.Go read a book or two.

delta_bravo

MYOB wrote: »

Whats the lily at easter for? Excuse my non-christianness for not knowing....

Theres nothing christian about it. Sinn Fein sell it to commerorate their "martyrs"

Peared

TheGooner wrote: »

Oh do please tell us, I'm dying to hear it.

It's not about nationalities it is about the WAR DEAD, that is WAR DEAD of every country.

If you wanna slap a flower on you and stay silent for a minute every two weeks for everyone ever killed in the world ever in any war thats fine and dandy.

I'll respect the dead of my country who died fighting for my country.

I do not respect the forces of another country who killed so many in my country. Doesnt make a difference to me where they ended up dying.

And yes, some Irish fought for them, I wonder why that was.

Huggles

deadprez wrote: »

Jesus,I can't believe the ignorance of some people here. You would actually refuse to wear one on the grounds of our history with the UK? That's absurd and uneducated to say the least.

Very well said.

Huggles

Peared wrote: »

If you wanna slap a flower on you and stay silent for a minute every two weeks for everyone ever killed in the world ever in any war thats fine and dandy.

I'll respect the dead of my country who died fighting for my country.

I do not respect the forces of another country who killed so many in my country. Doesnt make a difference to me where they ended up dying.

And yes, some Irish fought for them, I wonder why that was.

What age are you?

leninbenjamin

deadprez wrote: »

You would actually refuse to wear one on the grounds of our history with the UK? That's absurd and uneducated to say the least.

i think you're statement is just as absurd and uneducated. i know, like many, some people who were able to recall some of the actions of elements of the British forces in our country, for people like them to associate with something so inherently British would be quite difficult... why can you not understand that?

there have been many threads on this is before, why can't people just accept other people's stance on this issue and let it be?

Sonnenblumen

Contrary to what one might expect, the Irish have a deep rooted aversion to wearing a poppy that has more in common with selfish hypocritical ignorance than any political differences which might commemorate war dead.

Amongst the political circles it must be acutely sensitive to have such a pathetic public display of incredulous insensitivity.

regi

The british legion support plenty of Irish people living in Ireland who served in those wars - that's where your money goes.

I sold poppies for the legion briefly a long time ago, and got nothing but good natured support from the people who saw.

L1011

delta_bravo wrote: »

Theres nothing christian about it. Sinn Fein sell it to commerorate their "martyrs"

Oh right. No wonder I've never worn one, then.

Lizzykins

I'd wear a poppy in memory of my grandfather who fought in WW1. He survived although wounded. The poppy reminds us of the sacrifice all those young men made. My grandfather was 19 when he joined up. We should remember the 50 thousand Irish who fought and died in that war never mind those Irish who joined up in 1939.

If it weren't for those soldiers we would be under a worse regime than the British-Nazi Germany. I for one am glad no one is likely to march me and mine into a gas chamber. If Germany had won that war be in no doubt that we would be a slave nation.

fly_agaric

TheGooner wrote: »

It's not about nationalities it is about the WAR DEAD, that is WAR DEAD of every country.

No, its about the war dead of Britain and its empire.
I vaguely recall asking this in a thread about this last year but is poppy wearing big in India, any of the UK's beknighted African ex-colonies?

...Why might that be so?

I can't see it catching on here for the same reason - at least not without a massive overhaul of Irish history education...:)

Mrs. MacGyver

This topic is also being discussed in the history/heritage thread -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055173773

I wear one in rememberance of my granduncle who died aged 21 after just qualifying as a engineer. He was in the RAF and my great grandparents were devastated as he was the only son out of a family of daughters.

I think its up to the individual whether she or he wears one - its a rememberance for those who died in past wars and its not just a 'British' phenomenon.

I agree with Lizzykins comments above.

Steyr

OP you can get them in the British Embassy AFAIK. Hope this helps.

gyppo

Peared wrote: »

I'll respect the dead of my country who died fighting for my country.

I do not respect the forces of another country who killed so many in my country. Doesnt make a difference to me where they ended up dying.

Well said. Many forget about those who did serve in WW1, and the part time job they had over here a few year later when they wore black & tan uniforms.

Mr.Micro

A complete waste of time .There is still war in the world. Poppies to remember the dead whilst certain countries in the world carry on adding to the war dead. Hypocrisy.

WhiteWashMan

Id wear one.

I see it as a symbol of peace and rememberence.

gurramok

deadprez wrote: »

Jesus,I can't believe the ignorance of some people here. You would actually refuse to wear one on the grounds of our history with the UK? That's absurd and uneducated to say the least. over 100 men from cork and surrounding counties jumped from planes in Holland in a bid to assist the struggle against occupied Europe. Had the Nazi war machine been successful then Ireland would have been decimated and forced into death camps as the rest of Europe was. We are not of Arian origin, at least we don't look it, and would surely have suffered gravely as a result. The German government had a 1000 year plan to be the worlds dominating race, look what they did in 5 years. It makes me sick to think that people can actually have bitter thoughts about British rule in Ireland and thus attribute that to the war effort. It's a very sorry state of affairs and does not make me very proud to be Irish with such low life opinions. If there were poppies available in Ireland then I would be donning one for the heroes who fought and fell for our freedoms. This was not a "war on terror" it was a World War and could have led to dominance of Europe and possibly the world.Go read a book or two.

Pot, kettle, black?

You say read a book, how about read a book on what happened here under British rule for a start before blabbing on about something you cherish.

Do you really think those men from Cork jumped to fight for freedom when cork people were free during WWII?
Hate to put a spanner in the works but they jumped for a better wage, thats what i think of it regarding my grandpa's experience of the whole WWII episode.

How do you know Hitler wanted to send the Irish to the death camps, first i heard of it. In case you'd forgotten, we were neutral in WWII and that was respected by the big powers back then.

I dunno about you on the Aryan thing , but i look German as much as Spanish or Italian for that matter, makes no difference to the situation.

My own grandad fought in WW1 on Redmonds con job, then fought in war of independence here after WW1, then fought for pro-treaty side in civil war and then fought in WWII as it was better pay than in poverty sticken Ireland at the time.
Yes he was lucky to have survived all those conflicts, it was alcoholism that got him in the end.

As i said in post above, there should be an Irish way of remembering those who fought in foreign armies in various wars and its about time too.

ScumLord

I wouldn't support the British military. The past is the past and all that but I think the Brits deserve to have the stick taken out of them for at least another 400 years because of the ol occupation thing.


It's a British symbol to me. We could get a nettle or even a dock leaf or someit then it'd be grand.

deadprez

you don't get it do you? This isn't about governments or councils. It's not about Churchill and DeValera, it's about the young men and women who faced certain doom had they not stood against a regime hellbent on the death and enslavement of all but who they chose. Your not being patriotic,your being simple and ignorant at best.They were heroes and should be remembered for the great sacrifice they made and the steps they took to ensure that we can even be having this conversation.kids these days...

Peared

Yeah deadprez we're simple and ignorant. Sure jaysus we are a simple folk. Someone comes along and invades starves and murders us and destroys our culture and steals our country.

Now lets all have a moment of silence and wear a poppy for the self same armies of murderers cos someone else happened to kill them.

Live by it, die by it.

Steyr

gurramok wrote: »

How do you know Hitler wanted to send the Irish to the death camps, first i heard of it. In case you'd forgotten, we were neutral in WWII and that was respected by the big powers back then..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha funnyest post ever. Operation Grun anybody....... No we were not respected. Being Neutral means nothing except your just a pussy Nation that will put its head between its arse and hope for the best and that nobody hurts us..:rolleyes: For shame Ireland for shame.:mad:

Steyr

Peared wrote: »

Yeah deadprez we're simple and ignorant. Sure jaysus we are a simple folk. Someone comes along and invades starves and murders us and destroys our culture and steals our country.

Now lets all have a moment of silence and wear a poppy for the self same armies of murderers cos someone else happened to kill them.

:rolleyes:

Get over it. The had no problems hiring us when we went over looking for Jobs.. How about when we invaded and plundered and pillage the Brits way before they did it to us.

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Steyr

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Ive recognised that to America.

Erin Go Brath

The poppy honours the British Armed forces in all wars they fought in. Which let us not forget includes The black and tan war which they came over to "Put Paddy in his place" and slaughtered many Irish innocents. Hell would have to freeze over before I'd wear a poppy! No self-respecting Irishman should wear one!

Jigsaw

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Am I considered Irish if my father was born in Donegal, lived there until he was 22 or so then moved to England then moved back at 32 and lived mostly in NI and my mother was born in NI and has always lived there. I feel a fresh thread breaking out. No one would care but it is something that has been bugging me badly over the past few years. :mad:

Sorry that was a bit off topic. AFAIK a helluva lot of Irish men fought and died in the Great War but did so in the hope that they would endear themselves to the ruling British classes who would in turn grant them Home Rule, which of course didn't happen.

Steyr

NO DOGS, NO BLACKS, NO IRISH.

In the 1800's when Irish immigrants took up whole neighbourhoods in New York City, many business owners put up "No Irish need apply" signs up. Many business owners did not want Irish to apply, especially in New York City, because of the reputation they had as drinking loud mouths. Irish were also seen as dirty and disease ridden and it was a common belief that the potato blithe in the Great Potato Famine could be passed through humans and was a disease.

Also stories have been told that New York City newsboys often fought with each other and Italian and Jewish immigrants would scream "No Irish need apply" in teasing to the Irish boys.

WhiteWashMan

Jigsaw wrote: »

Am I considered Irish if my father was born in Donegal, lived there until he was 22 or so then moved to England then moved back at 32 and lived mostly in NI and my mother was born in NI and has always lived there. I feel a fresh thread breaking out. No one would care but it is something that has been bugging me badly over the past few years. :mad:

where were you born?