Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

Tenger · 02-06-2021 10:31pm

Blut2 wrote: »

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The key dates to watch seem to be the UK's next review of their green list on June 7th, and/or the G7 summit where Biden is in the UK himself - Jun 11th-13th.

Hopefully we're included with the UK.

Well they included us when they introduced the travel ban last year.......

Lustrum · 02-06-2021 10:48pm

theguzman wrote: »

For alot of people the pandemic has benefited them massively,..... .

Well done with all the travelling, Paraguay is somewhere I'd love to get to some day!

Just to bear in mind though (as this is the impact on aviation forum), a huge amount of crew in stobart have been furloughed, most of cityjet crew have lost their jobs, I'm sure someone else can speak for ryanair as I'm not sure whats going on there, and all Aer Lingus crew have been on half their salary (which isn't a lot for those of us on the lower end of the scale) since April of last year.

So while it's great to read of other airlines getting back to some sort of normality, the reality here in Ireland is very far from it unfortunately, with no end it sight

Blut2 · 02-06-2021 10:48pm

Tenger wrote: »

Well they included us when they introduced the travel ban last year.......

Yeah, which would make me assume/hope our travel ban will be tied in with the UKs when it comes to lifting it too. We haven't magically migrated from the CTA to Schengen since then. But you never know with the rather arbitrary border control decisions being made these days...

Nijmegen · 03-06-2021 9:01pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/03/england-covid-travel-restrictions-green-list-update

Portugal yanked from the UK green list. I wonder will they need to have repatriation flights or will holidaymakers just live with the quarantine. Won’t help confidence in bookings.

L1011 · 03-06-2021 9:03pm

Think that takes affect from Tuesday - there will definitely be repatriation offers by airlines as there'll be people that'll pay for it.

Blut2 · 04-06-2021 12:09pm

That UK decision is nuts. Its clearly just intended to keep people (or more accurately, their money) on staycations in the UK. To quote another poster in a different thread here on it:

CruelSummer wrote: »

I was just about to post regarding this. What on earth are the U.K. up to?

It seems they’re aware of a Nepal variant that WHO themselves aren’t & somehow linked it in the way the news is phrased re Portugal. As if to imply this new variant is in Portugal when it most certainly is not...

https://twitter.com/whonepal/status/1400341162527887362?s=21

I think this is more about politics and less about travel. Aren’t the US just about to reopen borders to the UK in June also...

This is what Grant Shapps said:

“He said the emerging Nepal mutation of the Indian variant was of concern and Portugal's positivity rate has "nearly doubled since the last review".

Firstly where is the Nepal variant circulating when WHO and others says the two B1617 variants plus B117 are circulating in Nepal. If Nepal is on a mandatory quarantine list for the U.K. - how does this affect Portugal, and other locations. It all seems very shambolic.

Tenger · 26-06-2021 12:51pm

Saw a post on twitter last night. It was a map of the EU.
8 members have yet to start issuing DCC to their citizens.
7 of those will start doing so on Thursday.

Ireland will be the only member not issuing the DCC by this time next week.

found the map here, scroll down;
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en

gral6 · 26-06-2021 4:18pm

Why Irish aviation still being killed? Because of 13 patients in ICU and open border with North? Where is the logic ?

RocketRaccoon · 26-06-2021 4:39pm

gral6 wrote: »

Why Irish aviation still being killed? Because of 13 patients in ICU and open border with North? Where is the logic ?

There is no logic, same as there's no logic in keeping indoor dining closed. <SNIP>

Solobally8 · 26-06-2021 4:43pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

There is no logic, same as there's no logic in keeping indoor dining closed<SNIP>

No need to insult people with special needs. The people who run our country are just elitist a**holes who don’t care about anything but their fat wage packet and pension.

PommieBast · 26-06-2021 7:03pm

Solobally8 wrote: »

No need to insult people with special needs. The people who run our country are just elitist a**holes who don’t care about anything but their fat wage packet and pension.

There's more to it than just those at the top. The Irish state as a whole (or at least the parts of it I have had to deal with) seems to have a pervasive shut-everything-down attitude rather than making any effort to keep things ticking over at reduced capacity.

Requiring those travelling from the UK to take a total of three PCR tests is pure theatre.

Chris_5339762 · 26-06-2021 8:11pm

1 July

The EU Digital COVID Certificate enters into application throughout the EU.
1 July - 12 August

Phase-in period: if a Member State is not yet ready to issue the new certificate to its citizens, other formats can still be used and should be accepted in other Member States.

Except for the fact that from the 1st - 18th July you'll get charged 2k fine if you go to the airport without an essential reason for travel!

basill · 29-06-2021 1:26pm

And to disencentivise you even more...why allow you access to the digital cert app now if fully vaccinated when they can kick the can down the road and put more barriers in place. Same goes for not accepting their own supposedly "gold standard" HSE PCR test results but making you pay twice for a certificate that will be up to 72 hours old.

NSAman · 29-06-2021 3:43pm

It’s unbelievable that the government are being so anti-opening.

Every conceivable excuse is being used to stop people returning to what is left of their businesses. Aviation will be impacted for years.

Ireland is loosing massive amounts of tourist and business revenue by the ridiculous NPHET and government decisions. NPHET”s latest pronouncement is hilariously crazy.

Where I live in the States we have been open for months and fully opened for over a month. Very few wearing masks, people are still wary but getting on with life as “normal” as can be. Travel has resumed, with this weekend being 4th July 47 million people are supposedly travelling. Yet, cases in our local district are zero in the past three weeks (small population) and in the near by cities, 6 between two cities with populations over 500k and no hospitalisations.

Most people are vaccinated, according to the local health department.

I know personally, business people are avoiding returning to Ireland for summer. Myself will travel but spend time with family after spending time away from everyone for 5 days. The PCR test is off putting. I don’t mind at all, but it is just another crazy cost to visit family and try to clean up some mess in the business there.

Aer Lingus must be burning massive amounts of cash at this stage. Seeing the international terminal in Chicago recently basically empty, was sobering. Domestic terminals were busy.

I don’t see massive increase in cases here, hospital admissions are zero according to the hospitals reporting locally….yet aviation is uncertain to its future and the government is doing SFA about trying to give certainty.

This virus is here to stay in one form or another. Variants will come and go, time to start acting like people have lives and businesses and staff to look after and pay tax to pay for all this BS.

Nijmegen · 26-07-2021 10:38am

Ryanair's Q1 results out. Loss of €273m but revenue up 196% on a year ago, and load factor up 12 points from 61% to 73%. Cash position significantly improved (not that it was ever bad), €4bn up from €3.1bn at 31 March and net debt down from €2.28bn to €1.66bn.

Customers are booking late, but they are booking - meaning it's all vaccines vs variants. Story of the pandemic. Earlier guidance was 80-120m passengers, now they're calling 90-100m for the year.

Inquitus · 26-07-2021 3:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662195#Comment_117662195

Does 90-100m break even?

Nijmegen · 26-07-2021 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117663984#Comment_117663984

They're guiding a small loss to break even. To be honest, Ryanair is having a great pandemic. Its balance sheet is incredibly strong and many of its competitors are going to come out of it with uncertainty or not at all. Ryanair will hoover up cheap aircraft, pilots and all the other pain points that existed pre pandemic will go away and they can expand to their hearts content. That's why the share price is trading up near historical highs versus IAG or Lufthansa for example not being a million miles off where they were at the bottom in March last year, or Air France / KLM actually lower than March 2020.

Inquitus · 26-07-2021 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117664354#Comment_117664354

Well made points re Ryanair, they will come out of this much better than anyone else, do you think they will dip their toes into transatlantic given this may be a golden opportunity for them with the traditional carriers really struggling?

Masala · 26-07-2021 8:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117664672#Comment_117664672

Naw...... all that will happen is that the airports (and other contractors supplying services to them like Car Hire, Catering etc) will get squeezed again for better prices / discounts / incentives / marketing etc. They always revert to the same Well...... and then refuse to allow these suppliers revert back to pre-covid prices etc.

Not to mention the auld 'aviation- disaster' beating up of Boeing - unless the latter have grown a set of liathroids since 9/11!

Nijmegen · 26-07-2021 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117664672#Comment_117664672

Nah. They’ll just fight for ever more market share in Europe and make money doing the thing that’s making them loads of money, versus getting into some totally new business model that other LCCs are struggling severely with.

Blut2 · 06-01-2022 8:58pm

Theres a good article in the Irish Times this week:

Eurocontrol says Irish air travel ‘worst affected’ in Europe last year -- https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/eurocontrol-says-irish-air-travel-worst-affected-in-europe-last-year-1.4767911

Some choice quotes:

[quote] Irish air travel suffered more from Covid-19 restrictions than any other European country last year, according to the latest assessment of the pandemic’s impact on aviation.

The organisation says Irish aviation suffered worst from the pandemic in a report covering all of its region, which includes Georgia, Israel, Morocco and Ukraine.

According to Eurocontrol, the Republic lost 183,000 flights last year compared to 2019, a 62 per cent decline in traffic.

Eurocontrol’s report dubs the Republic “the most affected state” in its region in 2021.

The Government imposed some of Europe’s toughest anti-travel measures during the pandemic, including controversial hotel quarantines that hit workers employed by multinational companies.

The State waited until July 17th to adopt the EU’s digital Covid certificate, meant to reinforce European citizens’ right to freedom of travel, making it the last EU member state to do so.[/quote]

I really hope the Irish government has learnt its lesson from 2021 and won't spend 2022 gutting our aviation and tourism sectors in the same manner. All of their extremely costly, destructive, measures have proven completlely unneccessary now, looking back on it. But I wouldn't bet on it...

California Dreamer · 14-01-2022 3:16pm

Since when was an antigen test acceptable for travel to the US?

https://www.v1medical.ie/aer-lingus-dublin

Is it not supposed to be a PCR test?

Locker10a · 14-01-2022 11:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118474533#Comment_118474533

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html

antigen testing meets requirements

x567 · 15-01-2022 12:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118474533#Comment_118474533

Antigen test within 24 hours of flying. Beware, if you have an onward connection, that we needed to show physical vaccination cards last week. JetBlue check-in staff wouldn’t accept the electronic cert on the phone.

x567 · 15-01-2022 12:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118478020#Comment_118478020

…International connection…

Locker10a · 15-01-2022 1:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118478020#Comment_118478020

So they wanted the piece of cardboard you could conceivably make falsely at home vs. an official EU document…. makes sense

Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

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