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  • #52
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    My 308 bolt action rifle is from the states. It has the receiver and barrel marked/stamped.

    Could be various reasons for this..Could be an export to EU/Canada model?Quick change barrel?, Wasnt enough room to write it all on the reciver,which is usually the case with BA guns,as usually the reciver and barrel/action are considerd one whole unit,as the barrel isnt easily swoppable.
    The markings are not just referring to semi auto/AR type firearms, or pistols only. I think they list all those parts so as to cover all types of firearms
    .

    Yup!! Everything.
    I mean a bolt action rifle, nor a shotgun, has an upper receiver yet its listed as having to be marked.

    True, they are covering as many possibilities and variations of firearms components.
    I'm not happy about it, but it was expected.
    Ever since the Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo.Thats what 4 years now?

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  • #53
    Cass
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Could be an export to EU/Canada model?
    Nope.
    Quick change barrel?,
    Nope.
    Wasnt enough room to write it all on the reciver,
    Nope, plenty of room.

    This marking aspect is not as big a deal as it would appear. I still maintain it's to address the gunsmithing aspect of firearm ownership here. No more parts bought it and put together to form a unique gun without some sort of traceability.

    Secondly you don't need to have every part listed marked as some firearms simply don't have those parts. If my receiver and barrel are marked/stamped then it complies and most factory rifles have this.
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  • #54
    oldgit1897
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    Bad enough we have our own bunch of wallys in the dail and senate making stupid laws, but then we have the bloody eu on us as well, and not just with shooting and firearms ownership, everything.


  • #55
    Cass
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    By the way i see in section 10 it talks about revoking of licenses and the deadline for this.

    Anyone with a high capacity mag or firearm tha now sits in Cat A has until March 1st next year to get shot of it as their license stands revoked on that day. Same with the items listed as now being banned (11+ round mags for rifles & 21+ mags for pistols). We have until September 1st if i'm reading it right, and if i'm not then we have until MArch 1st 2020 to get shot of them.
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  • #56
    Cass
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    oldgit1897 wrote: »
    Bad enough we have our own bunch of wallys in the dail and senate making stupid laws, but then we have the bloody eu on us as well, and not just with shooting and firearms ownership, everything.
    We will get it a little harsher than our EU brethren.

    They still have practical pistol and rifle and the original EU directive allows for anyone who is a range member and engaged in such sports to hold onto their high capacity mags. However as Ireland banned this shooting 10+ years ago we have no excuse.

    In this thread someone asked if practical shooting will ever return, i think you have your answer now.
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  • #57
    cavan shooter
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    garv123 wrote: »
    cavan shooter wrote: »
    I have a beretta bag and it takes a suitcase lock, so sorted. "Lockable receptacle " so any ammo box or tool box with a lock on the floor of the back of the car. That compliance as far as I can see.

    Does it actually say it has to locked, or just lockable? :D
    Very true..


  • #58
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    By the way i see in section 10 it talks about revoking of licenses and the deadline for this.

    Anyone with a high capacity mag or firearm tha now sits in Cat A has until March 1st next year to get shot of it as their license stands revoked on that day. Same with the items listed as now being banned (11+ round mags for rifles & 21+ mags for pistols). We have until September 1st if i'm reading it right, and if i'm not then we have until MArch 1st 2020 to get shot of them.

    You have until March 2020.

    OR the option to contact your lawyers and challenge this as actually unconstitutional under sect 14 EUCHR and article 46 of the irish constitution.You are being deprived of the legal use and enjoyment of your property in the intrest of the common good.Whatever that is...In that case you must be offerd payment to the value of the item in good times . Especially important for those with the converted to SA rifles .

    OR we can point it out that this solveable by adding an addition to the SI.of Permantly converting any existing mags to the now legal requirement of 10/20 rounds and grandfathering the rifles.

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  • #59
    BattleCorp
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    OR we can point it out that this solveable by adding an addition to the SI.of Permantly converting any existing mags to the now legal requirement of 10/20 rounds and grandfathering the rifles.


    Please, please, please don't suggest that they make more laws as we'll only end up losing even more stuff.


  • #60
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,080 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    However as Ireland banned this shooting 10+ years ago
    .[/quote]
    F Class Rapid fire shot with SA target rifles.Recognised internationally .Was a proposed solution to this by Grizzly "Cassandra"45 an age ago. ..Crickets..was the response from the community.Too late ro matter now...

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  • #61
    Grizzly 45
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Please, please, please don't suggest that they make more laws as we'll only end up losing even more stuff.

    Well if they had consulted us.And we had taken more intrest in WTF was happening in Europe...We wouldnt be in this mess now?So unfortuneatly it will have to be considerd and mentioned...

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  • #62
    Cass
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    For anyone interested, here is the EU directive 91/447/EEC.

    I had a glance and there is far more in it than in our SI so maybe we didn't get sh*t on, however i notice most of the stricter stuff wouldn't apply to us anyway as it's already banned here. :D

    One thing in particular. Any full auto firearm that is deactivated and shown to be is now illegal to own personally. Only Museums can own them.
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  • #63
    Cass
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    F Class Rapid fire shot with SA target rifles.Recognised internationally .Was a proposed solution to this by Grizzly "Cassandra"45 an age ago. ..Crickets..was the response from the community.Too late ro matter now...
    If ya want to rehash mistakes not getting it banned in the first place, practical shooting, would have been the right move, but that too fell on deaf ears. So.............................................
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  • #64
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    For anyone interested, here is the EU directive 91/447/EEC.

    One thing in particular. Any full auto firearm that is deactivated and shown to be is now illegal to own personally. Only Museums can own them.

    Where did you see that Cass?The directive or the Irish SI?As that was another big sticky point.

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  • #65
    Cass
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    The Directive. It doens't apply to us as Auto firearm are prohibited before this SI.

    The directive this SI stems from is, afaik, the one i linked to above. Maybe i'm wrong. If you think Irish law is hard to follow try EU stuff. It's a fecking maze.
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  • #66
    Grizzly 45
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    You are reading a proposal document from 2015 mate!:)

    Thats not the final wording document or what was passed. When you get to the bottom you'll see all the amendments that were proposed and changed.What gave it away to be was this "The proposal bans the semi-automatic weapons which are included in the current category "B7". NEVER happened...:)

    Yes you can still own the deacted full auto stuff,but it has to be "De Deactivated to new EU standards" IOW it is so welded up to be a high tech awkard club. If you ever intend to sell or inherit it.

    Dont worry,it is a bollix alllright to read this stuff,and I got pretty good at it real quick.

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  • #67
    oldgit1897
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    Cass wrote: »
    The directive this SI stems from is, afaik, the one i linked to above. Maybe i'm wrong. If you think Irish law is hard to follow try EU stuff. It's a fecking maze.

    Probably deliberately made so. The eu is losing the run of themselves with new laws. Talking to the milkman the other night, he has been handed a huge folder of laws fron the eu, Had to buy new vans as the ones he had didn't meet what they wanted. Its the nanny state run by boring Belgians on a massive scale.


  • #68
    Cass
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    You are reading a proposal document from 2015 mate!:)

    I followed multiple links, PDFs, etc. and this one was dated May 2017 so i thought i was on the right path.

    Balls.

    Need to do more digging to find the EU directive this SI stems from.
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  • #69
    Cass
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    oldgit1897 wrote: »
    Talking to the milkman the other night, he has been handed a huge folder of laws fron the eu, Had to buy new vans as the ones he had didn't meet what they wanted..

    The Hoovers done it for me. You cannot own anything over 900w now. REALLY. Hoovers. In all that is happening in our world and they think hoovers are the way forward.

    Same with the CPC drivers course. In effect the EU ha said the Irish driving license you have it not worth a stocking of piss so here is a course you pay hundreds to do and by the time you've completed the modules you have to start it all over again. An endless, and i do mean endless, cycle of courses to be able to drive in your own country even AFTER your Government gave you a driving license when you PASSED your driving test.
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  • #70
    oldgit1897
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    Cass wrote: »
    The Hoovers done it for me. You cannot own anything over 900w now. REALLY. Hoovers. In all that is happening in our world and they think hoovers are the way forward.

    Same with the CPC drivers course. In effect the EU ha said the Irish driving license you have it not worth a stocking of piss so here is a course you pay hundreds to do and by the time you've completed the modules you have to start it all over again. An endless, and i do mean endless, cycle of courses to be able to drive in your own country even AFTER your Government gave you a driving license when you PASSED your driving test.


    It will get a lot worse after Brexit, The British said no to a lot of proposed nonsense and by doing so scuppered it. When they are gone the eu has a clear run to do what they want, which lets face it is a united states of europe, led by Germany and their lickspittles, France.


  • #71
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    I followed multiple links, PDFs, etc. and this one was dated May 2017 so i thought i was on the right path.

    Balls.

    Need to do more digging to find the EU directive this SI stems from.

    Tis in the more crap thread around 2017 2018.As I posted the final draft of it around then.As well as when it wad signed into EU law.

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  • #72
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    I followed multiple links, PDFs, etc. and this one was dated May 2017 so i thought i was on the right path.

    Balls.

    Need to do more digging to find the EU directive this SI stems from.

    Tis in the more crap thread around 2017 2018.As I posted the final draft of it around then.As well as when it wad signed into EU law.

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  • #73
    An Ri rua
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Rifter wrote: »
    Where did you get this info from Battlecorp?? And from where did they get it?

    Sorry, but I won't reveal my source but suffice to say that I trust them and they aren't the type to peddle bullsh1t.

    Hopefully it's not a civil servant or a Garda source as that would be illegal which would make this thread closable.


  • #74
    BattleCorp
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Hopefully it's not a civil servant or a Garda source as that would be illegal which would make this thread closable.

    It's up on the ICTSA website so I'm hardly breaking the official secrets act.


  • #75
    Grizzly 45
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    It's up on the ICTSA website so I'm hardly breaking the official secrets act.

    Bit late now anyway..Unless someone has faked an entire act?

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  • #76
    Grizzly 45
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    The Hoovers done it for me. You cannot own anything over 900w now. REALLY. Hoovers. In all that is happening in our world and they think hoovers are the way


    For me it was the CFL light bulb. Force people to buy a lightbulb filled with one of the most toxic substances to man.Mercury.Break one of those,well evacuate the house and get an NBC crew it clean up.Where before a dustpan &broom would sufice if you broke a plain old filament bulb..
    Same with the CPC drivers course
    .

    What dat??

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  • #77
    Cass
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Hopefully it's not a civil servant or a Garda source as that would be illegal which would make this thread closable.

    And you know what they say about back seat moderation ..................



    ................... don't.


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  • #78
    Birdnuts
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    Typical of the government to sneak this out when the Dail etc. is shut on a weekend in August


  • #79
    Cass
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    It doesn't matter if they done it this week, next week, or next year. It was coming, without a doubt. They had to.

    Some people, again not here, are still under the impression this is an Irish initiative done without any consultation. It's not.
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  • #80
    Grizzly 45
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    NARGC on FB are running around like headless chickens on this issue!"Came out of the blue"and they are planning a "robust response"

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  • #81
    Cass
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    Why haven't you informed them it wasn't "dropped on them", but more accurately they sleep through the last three years of this being drafted at European level?
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  • #82
    oldgit1897
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    NARGC on FB are running around like headless chickens on this issue!"Came out of the blue"and they are planning a "robust response"

    Bit late now, its done and dusted, signed and in the filing cabinet.


  • #83
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    Why haven't you informed them it wasn't "dropped on them", but more accurately they sleep through the last three years of this being drafted at European level?

    Mentioned that their former leader organised a meeting with Marian Harkin MEP at a hotel in Athlone to discuss thid with Irish gunowners (all of about a dozen showed up)when this was going down in Europe 5 years ago...

    NARGC has been utterly blindsided by this,and that comes of an over reliance on FACE in Brussels to inform and deal with things for these minority groups.

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  • #84
    meathstevie
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Hopefully it's not a civil servant or a Garda source as that would be illegal which would make this thread closable.

    If it's a signed statutory instrument transposing an EU directive it's already long in the public domain and nobody broke any rules.

    And still the one and only big question remains. How is this going to provide any additional protection from terrorist and criminal firearms ?


  • #85
    Mississippi.
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    NARGC on FB are running around like headless chickens on this issue!"Came out of the blue"and they are planning a "robust response"

    I tried to talk to them about this at the tent at the ploughing this past two years and they assured me that they were on top of the situation completely.


  • #86
    Grizzly 45
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    Its going to get intresting.Estimates between 20 to 50 such converted rifle owners are up the creek now on this ban.This is why the EU left a grandfather option in the directive that the Govt has ignored ...At their peril.

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  • #87
    cavan shooter
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Cass wrote: »
    Why haven't you informed them it wasn't "dropped on them", but more accurately they sleep through the last three years of this being drafted at European level?

    Mentioned that their former leader organised a meeting with Marian Harkin MEP at a hotel in Athlone to discuss thid with Irish gunowners (all of about a dozen showed up)when this was going down in Europe 5 years ago...

    NARGC has been utterly blindsided by this,and that comes of an over reliance on FACE in Brussels to inform and deal with things for these minority groups.

    I'd say it's not just the NARGC so has the ICTSA, Countryside Ireland and the others, we weren't exactly reading on there websites how we should be preparing for this. I'm excusing getting caught with there trousers down, but it looks like all the major players were caught napping or at least they thought they had a bit of time. It appears quite rushed and I'm asking if the Brexit **** up didnt Speed this up.


  • #88
    Chiparus
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    https://www.ictsa.ie/custom/public/files/si-no.-420-of-2019.pdf

    When they say a "Essential component" , if I buy , say a bolt handle for a 10/22 - it must be engraved?


  • #89
    Cass
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    cavan shooter wrote: »
    I'd say it's not just the NARGC .........................................., but it looks like all the major players were caught napping or at least they thought they had a bit of time.
    No one, at least not me, is blaming the NARGC for this or any other group for that matter.

    The comments above are in direct response to the NARGC statement that this was "dropped on them" and they are preparing a "robust" rebuttal.

    This was not dropped on anyone. Its been coming for years. If they [NARGC] were expecting consultation before any SI or amendment to the act was drafted then perhaps a case can be made for being caught off guard, but totally unaware is a little hard to believe because it implies no knowledge of what has been going on for the last 3-4 years or an incompetence in being able to deal with it.

    Again this is not about the NARGC or any other group. FRankly they couldn't have done much if anything to stop this.

    For me it only highlights the need for ALL groups to jeep their members informed. For years i've read people saying they're not into politics and have no interest in anything other than shooting. Well this shows why everyone should at the very least have a basic understanding of what is happening. The head in the sand approach doesn't work.
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  • #90
    Cass
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    Chiparus wrote: »
    https://www.ictsa.ie/custom/public/files/si-no.-420-of-2019.pdf

    When they say a "Essential component" , if I buy , say a bolt handle for a 10/22 - it must be engraved?

    If its imported directly from outside the EU into the state (Ireland). Then yes.

    This raises the question of essential component. Is a bolt handle essential to the working of a firearm? Like a stock. I wouldn't class it as an essential component because it can be used without a stock, but the law says it's a component part.

    The SI is very poorly worded, overly vague, and leaves far to much ambiguity. The other side of it all is enforcement.

    I won't pretend to understand stop and search laws, but if you're in your car can any Garda stop you, search your vehicle and if they find a violation of this new SI will they notice it?

    This leads onto to just cause for stopping you and wanting to search your car/vehicle. I don't believe, although i'm not batting a 1,000 lately, that random stop and searches can be carried out without due cause.

    Same with your home. The CPO can call out, but can they perform checks of all homes with firearms. Will AGS "regular"members be assigned this and can they do it both physically and legally?

    Then in the field. Rangers have certain powers under the wildlife act but does that extend to the same powers as AGS in this situation or will AGS be carrying out checks in the field.

    I'm not for one second condoning breaking the law, nothing of the sort, but rather pointing out how more laws without proper enforcement of the current ones may be the most futile thing i've seen.
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  • #91
    grassroot1
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    I would consider myself reasonably well informed and I was unaware of the implications of the directive and the SI until yesterday.
    Those at the top of our associations are volunteers not paid professionals.I am not defending them just pointing this out. I have seen the Facebook posts and yes there is an element of rabbit in the spotlights about the response.
    What needs to be done now is to formulate a workable interpretation of the SI.
    Clearly all gun parts cannot be marked its not workable neither should someone going hunting with a belt of 25 shells have to have a lockable box with them.
    Commonsense is required but there is not a great history of that in relation to firearms law in this country.


  • #92
    Chiparus
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    grassroot1 wrote: »
    I would consider myself reasonably well informed and I was unaware of the implications of the directive and the SI until yesterday.
    Those at the top of our associations are volunteers not paid professionals.I am not defending them just pointing this out. I have seen the Facebook posts and yes there is an element of rabbit in the spotlights about the response.
    What needs to be done now is to formulate a workable interpretation of the SI.
    Clearly all gun parts cannot be marked its not workable neither should someone going hunting with a belt of 25 shells have to have a lockable box with them.
    Commonsense is required but there is not a great history of that in relation to firearms law in this country.

    I would be concerned regarding the storage of ammo , I ofthe will go out for a shot with the full magazine in my pocket and drive to wherever I shoot, as the ammunition is now not in a locked seperate container I am now committing an offence?


  • #93
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    [QUOTE=Cass;110942948]If its imported directly from outside the EU into the state (Ireland). Then yes.

    This raises the question of essential component. Is a bolt handle essential to the working of a firearm? Like a stock. I wouldn't class it as an essential component because it can be used without a stock, but the law says it's a component part.

    The SI is very poorly worded, overly vague, and leaves far to much ambiguity. The other side of it all is enforcement.

    I won't pretend to understand stop and search laws, but if you're in your car can any Garda stop you, search your vehicle and if they find a violation of this new SI will they notice it?

    This leads onto to just cause for stopping you and wanting to search your car/vehicle. I don't believe, although i'm not batting a 1,000 lately, that random stop and searches can be carried out without due cause.

    Same with your home. The CPO can call out, but can they perform checks of all homes with firearms. Will AGS "regular"members be assigned this and can they do it both physically and legally?

    Then in the field. Rangers have certain powers under the wildlife act but does that extend to the same powers as AGS in this situation or will AGS be carrying out checks in the field.

    I'm not for one second condoning breaking the law, nothing of the sort, but rather pointing out how more laws without proper enforcement of the current ones may be the most futile thing i've seen.[/QUOTE]

    Are you sure ?

    “Schedule 3
    Part 1
    Regulations 3AB and 3AC
    1. Subject to paragraph 2, where a firearm to which the Directive applies or an essential component is manufactured in the State, the unique marking shall comprise a human readable identification consisting of:
    (a) the name of the manufacturer or brand;
    (b) the name of the S..........


  • #94
    greencap
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    so you might have to change magazine. who cares.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

    😁



  • #95
    Cass
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    Chiparus wrote: »
    Are you sure ?
    Pretty sure.

    The markings part of the SI is directed towards items brought in from outside the EU or manufactured in the state.

    Importing from outside the "Union".
    4) Where the State is the place of import into the Union of a firearm to which this Regulation applies, each essential component of the firearm shall, at the time of its manufacture or without delay after importation into the Union, be marked with a unique marking which shall comprise the particulars specified in Part 2 of Schedule 3.

    Manufactured in the state.
    3) A manufacturer of a firearm to which this Regulation applies shall ensure that, at the time of its manufacture or, at the latest, before its placement on the market, each essential component of the firearm is marked with a unique marking which shall comprise the particulars specified in Part 1 of Schedule 3

    And the bit about essential components:
    The unique marking referred to in paragraph (3) or (4), as the case may be, shall be engraved permanently upon the essential component concerned, to a minimum depth of 0.04 millimetres.
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  • #96
    hiddenmongoose
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    greencap wrote: »
    so you might have to change magazine. who cares.


    Clarify what you mean by this.


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  • #97
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    greencap wrote: »
    so you might have to change magazine. who cares.

    No If I have a loaded megazine or seperate ammo and it is not in a locked recepticle; I will be guilty of an offence.


  • #98
    Cass
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    grassroot1 wrote: »
    I would consider myself reasonably well informed and I was unaware of the implications of the directive and the SI until yesterday.
    I consider myself very well informed (not being big headed) and i did not know the SI would drop when it did. However that is different to not knowing it would be coming, ever.
    Those at the top of our associations are volunteers not paid professionals.I am not defending them just pointing this out. I have seen the Facebook posts and yes there is an element of rabbit in the spotlights about the response.
    Exactly, and to reiterate i'm NOT blaming the NARGC for ANYTHING. I'm just surprised they seemed so totally unaware this was coming.

    I'm tired of saying it, and people are tired of hearing it, but whenever the EU draft a directive each member state must draft new legislation to incorporate that directive into their laws. We discussed this ban, and others, ad nauseam, on two main threads here for the past 3+ years and yes there were times even my eyes glazed over when trying to shift through the quagmire of proposals and "what ifs". So i don't blame anyone for not understanding it completely (including myself)
    What needs to be done now is to formulate a workable interpretation of the SI.
    On a lighter and somewhat snarky side we cannot get consensus on our current laws in a workable manner and they've been on the book for 10 years. :D
    Clearly all gun parts cannot be marked its not workable
    Its important to note that it's not all guns.

    As you said its so new [the SI] that no one is 100% sure on the interpretation of it, but for me the markings issue as i said above is down to guns or parts imported from outside the EU or those that are made in the state, as in gunsmiths creating custom firearms.

    If the parts or guns are bought within the EU then there will be no need as it's already done by the manufacturer/importer of them into the EU.
    neither should someone going hunting with a belt of 25 shells have to have a lockable box with them.
    Seeing as how it's a law the debate on what someone should have to do it kinda moot. An ammo box with a padlock on it is a locked receptacle so for €15 to €20 a person can suffice this part of the SI.Stick your ammo in it, either in the belt or in the boxes and the belt loose in the car, and prepare yourself when you get to the range/field.
    Commonsense is required but there is not a great history of that in relation to firearms law in this country.
    Amen.
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  • #99
    Cass
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    Chiparus wrote: »
    No If I have a loaded megazine or seperate ammo and it is not in a locked recepticle; I will be guilty of an offence.
    While transporting them, only.

    When you get to where you are going you are no longer transporting them.
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  • #100
    solarwinds
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    I cant wait to see how the firing pin being made for my .22lr is going to be engraved with a serial no. it is a vital component so therefore must be marked.
    Is this the level of daftness we are facing now, its not very workable from what I can see. Ok for the major components barrel, action, bolt or other essential parts but it doesn't draw the line at individual components.
    I am going to try an engrave my serial no. on my new recoil spring, will let ye know how I get on.


  • #101
    Chiparus
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    Cass wrote: »
    While transporting them, only.

    When you get to where you are going you are no longer transporting them.

    Yep , so no more loaded magazines in the pocket or in the center console?


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