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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Couple of days usually. I sent in 3 offer requests in the time I've had the car (any time an interesting model comes up in the Irish inventory!)

    Does that ever happen? Can't say i've ever seen a car on the Irish inventory.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    How long do Tesla typically take to come back with a trade in offer? Popped in mine for the craic, no word back though.

    Took them 4 weeks for my i3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Does that ever happen? Can't say i've ever seen a car on the Irish inventory.
    Yes, there's a 2017 P100DL model X at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It does, but MCU1, and not in Ireland.
    I won't be buying from Tesla UK again.

    2 year warranty and if you really want it, Tesla will probably offer the upgrade to MCU2 for around 3 grand. I get it you don't want to buy from Tesla UK, but in this case there is likely 10k or more in it

    And yeah, the trade in is a problem, you'd think they would at least handle trade ins for second hand Teslas as they sell them (no matter how old) from their forecourts. An offer of below 30k (EUR, Irish site?) is pretty pathetic alright


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tesla do not want a trade in Tesla that has had more than one owner...


  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes, there's a 2017 P100DL model X at the moment

    Is there?

    https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/inventory/used/mx?arrangeby=plh&zip=&range=0

    Shows nothing for me.

    The UK site has a 2017 X P100DL alright


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Is there?

    https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/inventory/used/mx?arrangeby=plh&zip=&range=0

    Shows nothing for me.

    The UK site has a 2017 X P100DL alright
    It's gone since yesterday.
    It was up for a while at 94k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    unkel wrote: »
    2 year warranty and if you really want it, Tesla will probably offer the upgrade to MCU2 for around 3 grand. I get it you don't want to buy from Tesla UK, but in this case there is likely 10k or more in it

    And yeah, the trade in is a problem, you'd think they would at least handle trade ins for second hand Teslas as they sell them (no matter how old) from their forecourts. An offer of below 30k (EUR, Irish site?) is pretty pathetic alright
    Yup. I wasnt expecting top dollar but sub 30-35k is pretty pathetic. Given that if it were to be auctioned at a dealer lot for parts it would nearly reach that.


    I know the mcu upgrade is there, but , mark my words (until they open the store in belfast) I wont be buying another tesla from tesla uk after the last horrorshow.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's gone since yesterday.
    It was up for a while at 94k.

    Makes the UK one at £57k a bargain so (spec dependant).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Makes the UK one at £57k a bargain so (spec dependant).


    57k is what, 63k or so in EUR, then you have another say 500 to bring it back, the hassle of not being able to finance a car not on irish plates, then the VRt which would still be quite high on a 2-3 year old model X Performance Ludicrous.


    Still, probably a 20k saving if you can make it work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    slave1 wrote: »
    2014 Model S85 Tesla CPO for two years/44,558miles
    £30,100
    Dual Chargers
    Parking Sensors
    Smart Air Suspension
    19" wheels

    This won't last long...
    https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3H17EFP42860?token=$2y$10$VG0gYIL/0m6qiw8ajClDDu2Xk15mYbMBuHbRdYF/jT5/xCQrqeRc6&redirect=no

    Same car now on auto trader now for £33,900

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006190315532


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Wow, literally bought from Tesla for immediate resale, suppose that's the market's way of saying buying from Tesla is (sometimes/in this case) way cheaper.
    £29,600 off Tesla and just 83miles put on it.
    Nice flip


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Was that the AP1 car? If so, that was a bit of a misprice. Going rate for pre-facelift non-AP1 Model S is GBP30k, for AP1 it's GBP34k

    I've had a look on both DD and AT several times in the last week, see could I find any bargain EVs, but there were none. Apart maybe from an Ion in Ireland that you'd probably pick up for about €4k

    Linky


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Same car now on auto trader now for £33,900

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006190315532

    Least you can see real pics now.
    Was a nice car at 29,600 if very basic.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Yeah, very quiet this week or so regards bargains. Everyone too busy enjoying the easing of restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    unkel wrote: »
    Was that the AP1 car? If so, that was a bit of a misprice. Going rate for pre-facelift non-AP1 Model S is GBP30k, for AP1 it's GBP34k

    No , this was the non-ap but otherwise decent spec (Panoramic Roof, Dual Chargers, Air Suspension)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Cheapest CPO car now a pre-facelift 70D AP1, for GBP39k. Not super value for money.

    Cheapest facelift is GBP41.6k and it's white and doesn't have AP1 - terrible value for money...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    jhegarty wrote: »
    No , this was the non-ap but otherwise decent spec (Panoramic Roof, Dual Chargers, Air Suspension)

    I had it saved as I was seriously considering it.

    517192.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭Casati


    Nice margin flipping that for the dealer


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Casati wrote: »
    Nice margin flipping that for the dealer

    Especially since the warranty is with Tesla for 2 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Not a hope they could get that asking price though. Dreamer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    unkel wrote: »
    Cheapest CPO car now a pre-facelift 70D AP1, for GBP39k. Not super value for money.

    Cheapest facelift is GBP41.6k and it's white and doesn't have AP1 - terrible value for money...

    Only advantage of the 70d is the 4 year warranty. But still looks more like a £35k car to me.


    The white facelift does have FSD. I am guessing to make up for the high millage.


    I am watching the Model 3 on the Irish site dropping at €40 euro per day so see how low it goes. It's going to take months to be good value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Model 3 has glacial depreciation. Not quite the appreciation Musk has been going on about, but as usual he is not that far off the mark :D

    If you can be a bit more specific about exactly what spec S or 3 you are looking for and with what kind of budget, I will keep my eyes peeled for one. Very least I can do for you :)


  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I was interested myself, but talked myself out of it. I'm really holding out for a bargain bargain, or at that price im not 100% convinced it's the car for us (not me, us).


    That said, Irish plates 2014 Model S 85 with AP1. €35k
    https://www.donedeal.ie/adview/view/25085443

    Dual motors, free supercharging, Chademo adapter (and they spelt it CHAdeMO so they potentially know their EV stuff). Looks nice and clean too.

    2 door handles and the drivetrain have been replaced. Last I heard, they're €1500 under asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Dual motors, free supercharging, Chademo adapter

    It's not a dual motor, just a base RWD S 85 and no mention of the granny cable, I'd say it's missing. The rest of the ad is pretty precise, the owner knows what they are talking about

    But with the AP1 and on Irish plates, and presumably room for a bit of negotiation, it's good value for money, although it's white and private sale, so no warranty

    @jhegarty - one for you or are you holding out for a facelift car?


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  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    It's not a dual motor, just a base RWD S 85 and no mention of the granny cable, I'd say it's missing. The rest of the ad is pretty precise, the owner knows what they are talking about

    But with the AP1 and on Irish plates, and presumably room for a bit of negotiation, it's good value for money, although it's white and private sale, so no warranty

    @jhegarty - one for you or are you holding out for a facelift car?

    I've been drinking. Dual chargers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    unkel wrote: »

    @jhegarty - one for you or are you holding out for a facelift car?

    I am going back and forward between a face lift or a new model 3 on an hourly basis.

    Either way, I don't need a car until at least October so not in any rush. The i3 was last charged 3 weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    If you have no need for a hatchback or the space in the Model S and you aren't particularly interested in the brutal power of a performance model, then a new Model 3 SR+ for only a bit more money makes a lot of sense if I'm honest. Plenty of range there too and a nice upgrade from the range of the i3


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I was interested myself, but talked myself out of it. I'm really holding out for a bargain bargain, or at that price im not 100% convinced it's the car for us (not me, us).


    That said, Irish plates 2014 Model S 85 with AP1. €35k
    https://www.donedeal.ie/adview/view/25085443

    Dual motors, free supercharging, Chademo adapter (and they spelt it CHAdeMO so they potentially know their EV stuff). Looks nice and clean too.

    2 door handles and the drivetrain have been replaced. Last I heard, they're €1500 under asking.

    I also considered this car too.
    White would be my preferred colour to be honest.

    It’s a nice car and the seller has updated the ad with better pics only recently so it now stands out.

    On the door handle thing, one of the lads rang Tesla SC today as one of his died. It’s now a €350 fix through Tesla which is still expensive so a snapped wire going into the switch motor but I’d say most of the cost is labour in stripping the door cards down.

    There’s loads of videos on you tube Sonos say I’d do it myself if mine go anytime in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I'd do it myself if the door handle went. But thankfully I'm covered under warranty until some time in 2022 :D

    How's the car driving for you Gumbo? Lots of traction control warnings in this rainy weather? :D


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    unkel wrote: »
    I'd do it myself if the door handle went. But thankfully I'm covered under warranty until some time in 2022 :D

    How's the car driving for you Gumbo? Lots of traction control warnings in this rainy weather? :D

    I’m back in love again :D
    God the amount of looks the car gets! Strangely enough it’s the kids that jump out to look at it and then the big wheels and red brakes catch the eye of the older generation.

    I have friends with E46 M3’s and E60 M5’s and they are gobsmacked at the power, it’s instant delivery and relentless acceleration to well north of banned speeds!

    Spotify causing a nuisance but it seems to be a common problem that can’t be fixed as it’s on Spotify’s end. Basically when you get intk the car,
    Sometimes Spotify starts playing on the phone, even if I’m playing the radio or Spotify in the car. A completely different song will start playing on the phone. Seems to be an Apple and Spotify issue for car auto play once it connects to Bluetooth. But it can’t be turned off.

    Then had an airbag light that came on the day after the update to 2020.20.1. It disappeared then 3 days later after I parked in the garden with a good connection to WiFi for the day so please god a software bug.

    Then the tyre pressure warning light came on after I adjusted the pressures to 40 rear and 38 front. Wasn’t loosing any air so adjusted 40 front and 40 rear, reset again and hasn’t come on since so maybe the 38 was considered low for the system. Had my mate use his TPMS machine on the valves and all were reading perfectly with pressures at 39.9.

    Booked it into Tesla for a service for 6th July. I know I could get it done at a good Indy but I just thought get a grounding starting with Tesla and then do the bits myself going forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Might be a bargain, might not.

    2018 TESLA MODEL S 100D up for auction this week.


    https://www.merlin.ie/details?listingid=db37a482-11b6-ea11-80e7-0026b9533b61


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Sexy looking car that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭garo


    Have never gone near an auction. Anything to be aware of? I understand it is risky. Riskier than a private party sale?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Most cars sold at Merlin go for way too much (above private sale money) as there are numerous individuals out there who fancy themselves as savvy traders. They are far from that :p

    But you never know, I'm sure the occasional bargain slips through the net...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭KAGY


    garo wrote: »
    Have never gone near an auction. Anything to be aware of? I understand it is risky. Riskier than a private party sale?

    Think about auctions like this. If you asked everyone on this thread about the value of a certain car, most would get it close enough (I'm being nice), some would under value it and a few would think its worth more than it is.
    Guess who would 'win' the auction!

    However, if there's not much demand on the day and you've done your homework ...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    garo wrote: »
    Have never gone near an auction. Anything to be aware of? I understand it is risky. Riskier than a private party sale?

    Don’t bid with your heart. The merlin suctions tend to go above RRP for some
    Reason. Have a budget in mind and back out of close to buying a CPO from Tesla IRL/UK.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Might be a bargain, might not.

    2018 TESLA MODEL S 100D up for auction this week.


    https://www.merlin.ie/details?listingid=db37a482-11b6-ea11-80e7-0026b9533b61

    €64,200

    Plus fees I think....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Pretty much bang on the money for trade value. Little bit too high but I had thought around that mark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    How much are the fees and where do you see the results?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    unkel wrote: »
    How much are the fees and where do you see the results?

    One of the guys on the FB group posted it.
    I think the fees are a couple of %.......5ish but not completely sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Good discount on a new one if you were looking for one with the same options. That said a brand new car without options has better hardware (i.e. HW3 vs HW2), a longer range I think with the Raven setup and of course 2 years more warranty. I would not have paid over €60k for that car myself, it's poor value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭Casati


    unkel wrote: »
    Good discount on a new one if you were looking for one with the same options. That said a brand new car without options has better hardware (i.e. HW3 vs HW2), a longer range I think with the Raven setup and of course 2 years more warranty. I would not have paid over €60k for that car myself, it's poor value.

    Roughly what would that cost new with the options on it - 90k?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Casati wrote: »
    Roughly what would that cost new with the options on it - 90k?
    More at the time, as they were more expensive.
    You can now buy an ex demo long range raven from Tesla Ireland for 85k

    unkel wrote: »
    Good discount on a new one if you were looking for one with the same options. That said a brand new car without options has better hardware (i.e. HW3 vs HW2), a longer range I think with the Raven setup and of course 2 years more warranty. I would not have paid over €60k for that car myself, it's poor value.


    The hardware is not an issue, pay for FSD and it will be upgraded.
    I concur with you, if I had the money for an S100D I'd be buying the above from Tesla and putting up with the extra monthlies, for the HW3 and MCU2, along with Raven motors and efficiency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    ELM327 wrote: »
    The hardware is not an issue, pay for FSD and it will be upgraded.

    Pay for FSD is a big ask! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I mean, if you're going to spend 64k plus 5% fees, nearly 70k on a model S, and pay in cash (merlin dont do financing), I'm sure you're either a) planning to flip it - in which case you overpaid or b) you will be keeping it for some time.
    Of course for a) above I wouldnt pay for FSD but for B I would, it will give much better function and jump you to the front of the MCU upgrade if needed too.


    Also, at 6k for FSD and ~2.5k for MCU upgrade it puts you in the mid 70s. Really shows that they overpaid when an as new inventory car is 85k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Hard to know if this eGolf is a "bargain" - however some haggling should do it.

    https://www.oreillyvw.ie/car-details/2540187/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,733 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Someone mentioned that car in another thread. Presuming you can get a good bit off if you're a cash buyer with no trade in, that's a bargain in my book. A lot of car for the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    I am intrigued at this one - a 2015 BATTERY OWNED – No monthly battery lease charges? - I didn't think that was possible? , how? - I thought all ZOE of that vintage were battery rental?
    Good price though, but high mileage isnt it for a BEV?

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-zoe-dynamique-zen-fully-electric/25197463


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,791 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    That is really low milage. It's a 5 year old car. Only 12k a year.


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