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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

  • 23-12-2016 10:16pm
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    Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Might be an interesting thread for people in the market for buying (or selling!) a second hand EV :)

    Rules: not many. It would be nice for everyone if we stick to the following format. With a pic of the car, a description with asking price and a link to the ad. Fine if it's your own car, but you have to clearly state it is yours. Please only cars without a leased battery

    I'll start it off...

    '11 Leaf, 88k miles, NCT 03/17, tax 10/17, fast charge cable + granny cable

    only 10 bars left

    asking €6,890

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    Linky

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Registered Users Posts: 72,646 ✭✭✭✭ colm_mcm


    Is 10 bars bad?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Is 10 bars bad?

    20-25% of battery capacity lost. Probably due to a combination of the calendar age, heavy discharge events and heat related loss due to rapid charging.

    This kind of capacity loss is largely restricted to the MK1 Leaf (2010 - 2013).

    The Mk1.5 Leaf (Late 2013 - 2015, same battery in 2016 mk1.75 24kWh) is seeing capacity loss at a quarter to a fifth of the rate of the Mk1 at the same points in time. Many Mk1.5 leafs, particularly those used regularly have seen no discernable capacity loss. My own Mk1.5 Leaf was showing slightly better battery stats the day I traded it in than the day I picked it up.

    The MK1.75 Leaf (30kWh 2016 ->)... we don't know yet.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Good question. i'll let a more knowledgeable or experienced person answer that. But you start with 12 bars, so the battery capacity has obviously been compromised. Something that will always happen with battery technology over time. Speculating here, but in practice it might mean that your realistic range has gone down from something like 120 km to 90-100 km. Wouldn't make much difference to me in my life tbh.

    Edit: cros13 beat me to it and he knows about these things. I don't. The one thing is that the performance of batteries always decreases over time. If a measurement shows otherwise then some of the settings weren't held equal between measurements ;)

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    unkel wrote: »
    The one thing is that the performance of batteries always decreases over time. If a measurement shows otherwise then some of the settings weren't held equal between measurements ;)

    That's true in absolute terms. However in the case of an big 'ol EV battery pack we have at least one BMS between you and the individual cells, a restricted depth of discharge, comparatively few cycles compared to many other applications, some overprovisioning vs. the headline capacity and occasionally a little thermal management.

    If Nissan's BMS in it's infinite wisdom decides to give me a 1% larger depth of discharge after 60,000km who am I to argue? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭ Bigus


    Black Leaf Seems genuine advert on first glance ,but he expertly hid the reg , I wonder why ? You could always ring and ask for or the reg if interested .


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Bigus wrote: »
    Black Leaf Seems genuine advert on first glance ,but he expertly hid the reg , I wonder why ? You could always ring and ask for or the reg if interested .

    Most people don't like putting the reg plate in sale ads. Very common across donedeal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 isnottheword


    Bigus wrote: »
    Black Leaf Seems genuine advert on first glance ,but he expertly hid the reg , I wonder why ? You could always ring and ask for or the reg if interested .
    I wouldnt mind that so much - as kceire says, many shy away from having the reg displayed. Now if he didn't disclose following an online message or phone call, that's a different story.

    Whats missing is some interior shots - but it may be symptomatic of what he claims his reason for sale is i.e. has to be done asap - so perhaps not valeted.

    Other than that, it's not that badly priced by irish standards. I keep tabs on autotrader uk - and there has definitely been an upward shift in pricing in recent months. Perhaps that's just a timing issue and there will be a price drop in January (as like here, they will have new plates out).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭ Bigus


    kceire wrote: »
    Most people don't like putting the reg plate in sale ads. Very common across donedeal.

    Definitely not most ,

    yes a minority don't show the reg for some idiotic reason

    and they consequently wonder why they can't sell there precious car with the hidden reg.
    However the same car always has its reg on display anytime it's in a public place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,287 ✭✭✭ n97 mini


    It's to stop the reg being cloned: Criminal intending on stealing a 2011 black Leaf, just get a reg off donedeal, bang it on stolen car and drive it around for months undetected.

    It's not very likely, but it did happen to a friend. The clone car was used in an armed robbery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭ Bigus


    n97 mini wrote: »
    It's to stop the reg being cloned: Criminal intending on stealing a 2011 black Leaf, just get a reg off donedeal, bang it on stolen car and drive it around for months undetected.

    It's not very likely, but it did happen to a friend. The clone car was used in an armed robbery.

    Eco friendly bank robbers , I get it now .

    I've sold cars with 400 bhp plus and would never hide the reg , but I'd never even inquire about a car for sale with hidden reg.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,287 ✭✭✭ n97 mini


    Bigus wrote: »
    Eco friendly bank robbers , I get it now .

    I've sold cars with 400 bhp plus and would never hide the reg , but I'd never even inquire about a car for sale with hidden reg.

    The 2011 black Leaf was an example, as it's the car in the thread.

    Most 400bhp+ cars in Ireland tend to be unsubtle so you're probably safe enough. The cloned car was a Mazda 323.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    2014 6.6kw charge Leaf up the North, Acenta model with 44.5k miles, should get for in or around €10k if you pick it up yourself, no mention of battery flex


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭ k123456


    Not a bad price,however a friend of picked up a 2013, non battery flex SV Gen 2, medium mileage 3.3 kw charger for 6800 stg from the North, same dealer


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    2014 6.6kw charge Leaf up the North, Acenta model with 44.5k miles, should get for in or around €10k if you pick it up yourself, no mention of battery flex
    k123456 wrote: »
    Not a bad price,however a friend of picked up a 2013, non battery flex SV Gen 2, medium mileage 3.3 kw charger for 6800 stg from the North, same dealer

    They are about the same value really considering the more expensive one is a year newer and has 6.6kW charging. Both reasonable value.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    The Leaf in the OP is still for sale. New asking price €6,700

    Anyone wanna go in with a sneaky €5k cash offer? :cool:

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    I'm very interested in a Leaf for herself, we used to have an SMax but ironically as the kids got bigger we need less space, booster seats/buggys etc. so I sold the SMax (this week!!) and gave her my 07 1.6l petrol Avensis when I imported a 1.6D CRV September last year.
    We now have a CRV for the long hauls and a Leaf would suffice for herself's short school/town/work runs and should she need to go further afield she can have the CRV as a Leaf would cover my 58km work commute.

    I've already purchased the sterling but am holding off for the minute as...
    • The Avensis is reaching slow down in depreciation and in fairness has been bulletproof when it comes to reliability and repairs
    • I will be importing for certain and April is probably a better time to buy
    • I'd love a 30Kw Leaf but it will be a while before these hit my price mark and sure then I'd love a 40Kw etc.......

    Am I right to hold off....


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    I'm very interested in a Leaf for herself, we used to have an SMax but ironically as the kids got bigger we need less space, booster seats/buggys etc. so I sold the SMax (this week!!) and gave her my 07 1.6l petrol Avensis when I imported a 1.6D CRV September last year.
    We now have a CRV for the long hauls and a Leaf would suffice for herself's short school/town/work runs and should she need to go further afield she can have the CRV as a Leaf would cover my 58km work commute.

    I've already purchased the sterling but am holding off for the minute as...
    • The Avensis is reaching slow down in depreciation and in fairness has been bulletproof when it comes to reliability and repairs
    • I will be importing for certain and April is probably a better time to buy
    • I'd love a 30Kw Leaf but it will be a while before these hit my price mark and sure then I'd love a 40Kw etc.......

    Am I right to hold off....

    If going UK, definitely hold off until April for the new reg.

    Whats your budget? The Leaf sounds like it would easily suit you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,333 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    unkel wrote: »
    The Leaf in the OP is still for sale. New asking price €6,700

    Anyone wanna go in with a sneaky €5k cash offer? :cool:

    Is it yours Unkel?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Is it yours Unkel?

    Haha, no it isn't!

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    KCross wrote: »
    If going UK, definitely hold off until April for the new reg.

    Whats your budget? The Leaf sounds like it would easily suit you.

    UK wise, the £10k mark, I reckon I will save around €1.4k a year in fuel/tax costs and I'm already dual metered so have that factored in my calculations.

    This is probably the best overall deal I've seen so far that balances my Budget and wants...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,333 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    unkel wrote: »
    Haha, no it isn't!

    I was only asking as you said it might be worth a cheeky offer, but there's no link so where would we find this deal?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    slave1 wrote: »
    This is probably the best overall deal I've seen so far that balances my Budget and wants...

    This looks a bit better, £500 more but it's a Tekna (top spec, leather etc.) with a 6.6kW charger:

    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201701131273804?radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=Tekna&year-from=2014&postcode=sw1a1aa&onesearchad=Used&make=NISSAN&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&colour=Blue&colour=Bronze&colour=Grey&colour=Red&model=LEAF&page=1

    I'm sure you'd be able to negotiate the difference down a little more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    UK wise, the £10k mark, I reckon I will save around €1.4k a year in fuel/tax costs and I'm already dual metered so have that factored in my calculations.

    This is probably the best overall deal I've seen so far that balances my Budget and wants...

    Yea, you wont get a 30kWh for sub £10k yet. Only a year old. You'd probably need another £2-4k to make that jump.

    Have you thought about the 6.6kW charger and whether that is something that would be useful to you? When buying 2nd hand it usually isnt a whole lot more to get just that it significantly reduces the number available.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    KCross wrote: »
    Yea, you wont get a 30kWh for sub £10k yet. Only a year old. You'd probably need another £2-4k to make that jump.

    Have you thought about the 6.6kW charger and whether that is something that would be useful to you? When buying 2nd hand it usually isnt a whole lot more to get just that it significantly reduces the number available.

    I'm open to everything, as I have night rate I don't mind having it on slow charge all night, I'll install a proper charger at the house at some stage but I have access to use a Granny Cable for the short term.
    I do not need public charging and plan on not using them, if I do get to use them then that will be upside but they are not around the areas we use so best to discount them and plan home only


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    I'm open to everything, as I have night rate I don't mind having it on slow charge all night, I'll install a proper charger at the house at some stage but I have access to use a Granny Cable for the short term.
    I do not need public charging and plan on not using them, if I do get to use them then that will be upside but they are not around the areas we use so best to discount them and plan home only

    I dont use the public charge points much either but I still find the 6.6kW very useful from home. It depends on the amount of driving you do.

    I regularly (every week) topup the charge at home when I know I need to go out again later in the day. Happens alot at weekends with dropping kids here there and everywhere. As I said, depends on your usage profile.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Understood, there's no way her current driving day to day will require a daytime top up, constant 2-3 mile trips, this morning 2 miles to school A, back to house, 2 miles to school B, back to house, 3 miles to work, back to school B 3 miles, back to house, into town maybe once 4 miles round trip etc, drop off to swimming/cubs/athletics/scouts etc in the evenings, glorified taxi for the kids


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    slave1 wrote: »
    Understood, there's no way her current driving day to day will require a daytime top up, constant 2-3 mile trips, this morning 2 miles to school A, back to house, 2 miles to school B, back to house, 3 miles to work, back to school B 3 miles, back to house, into town maybe once 4 miles round trip etc, drop off to swimming/cubs/athletics/scouts etc in the evenings, glorified taxi for the kids

    Your username seems fitting! :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    Understood, there's no way her current driving day to day will require a daytime top up, constant 2-3 mile trips, this morning 2 miles to school A, back to house, 2 miles to school B, back to house, 3 miles to work, back to school B 3 miles, back to house, into town maybe once 4 miles round trip etc, drop off to swimming/cubs/athletics/scouts etc in the evenings, glorified taxi for the kids

    Ok, not required then.

    However, cros13 has given you a very good option above. The Tekna gives you leather(and other "stuff") which is very useful for all those kids! Thats what I have.

    And you get the 6.6kW as a bonus and its in budget.... sounds like a win-win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,333 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    slave1 wrote: »
    Understood, there's no way her current driving day to day will require a daytime top up, constant 2-3 mile trips, this morning 2 miles to school A, back to house, 2 miles to school B, back to house, 3 miles to work, back to school B 3 miles, back to house, into town maybe once 4 miles round trip etc, drop off to swimming/cubs/athletics/scouts etc in the evenings, glorified taxi for the kids

    Basically the ideal usage for EV.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,844 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I was only asking as you said it might be worth a cheeky offer, but there's no link so where would we find this deal?

    The linky is in the OP :)

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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