This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

ELM327

What do we think of this?
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-70-beautiful-condition-great-spec/23656103

unkel

Overpriced. You're paying only a touch more for your facelift car landed, which is superior in pretty much every way.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Overpriced. You're paying only a touch more for your facelift car landed, which is superior in pretty much every way.

True, but I have the hassle of going to UK etc


Interestingly, all the Teslas I was looking at before buying mine are still available and most have been dropped by 1-2k


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-p85d-performance-4wd-auto-7-seat-ze/23661548
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-s-p90d-2015/22984874
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-p90d-90dkwh-dual-motor-auto/22911708

drunkmonkey

The UK ones don't seem to be selling at all, not from what I'm seeing on autotrader.

The 70 would be a big drop in range from the 90, that one in rammalies was taken off for a while, owner was using it himself.

Does having no sunroof help keep the car warmer in winter and cooler in summer, i.e less use of the heating/air con.

ELM327

I have the sunroof and I'm bringing it in to be looked at as it's too rattly.
I do think there is an impact on range with the sunroof, directly proportional to the amount of preheats done not plugged in.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Interestingly, all the Teslas I was looking at before buying mine are still available and most have been dropped by 1-2k

All way overpriced.

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

I have the sunroof and I'm bringing it in to be looked at as it's too rattly.

Jeez I'm cringing here.

I fucking hate rattles and squeaks in a car! I have my co-pilot plagued with "what's rattling... what's that buzz". Normally it's something she's put in the door armrest. Thankfully the Koreans have been rattle and squeak free so far.

A sunroof hasn't been on my wish list for a long time. Too much chance of rattles and leaks. Though I love the open roof feel.

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

Jeez I'm cringing here.

I fucking hate rattles and squeaks in a car! I have my co-pilot plagued with "what's rattling... what's that buzz". Normally it's something she's put in the door armrest. Thankfully the Koreans have been rattle and squeak free so far.

A sunroof hasn't been on my wish list for a long time. Too much chance of rattles and leaks. Though I love the open roof feel.

Yeah. I mean, I have to bear in mine due to my sensory issues (ASD) it may not be as bad as I deem it. I hated the wind noise in the IOniq for instance but others simply don't hear it.
However in this instance even her indoors has commented meaning it's not just me!


I'll live with it if that's the outcome but I want it looked at. The fact that it goes away for a while when you open and close it would indicate to me that a seal has gone.

jhegarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The UK ones don't seem to be selling at all, not from what I'm seeing on autotrader.

There is a few high milers in the low £30s that need a serious price drop to sell.

You can pick up one from Tesla with a 1/3 the millage and 4 year warranty for £5k more.

159conor

Any one got an option on this
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/lotus-7-style-electric-car/23600970
built buy this guy
https://www.thejournal.ie/car-made-in-ireland-electric-alex-eroadster-2179107-Jun2015/

not running or certified for road use but its a bright yellow electric caterham 7 I think its a 11 kWh battery

unkel

159conor wrote: »

Any one got an option on this
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/lotus-7-style-electric-car/23600970
built buy this guy
https://www.thejournal.ie/car-made-in-ireland-electric-alex-eroadster-2179107-Jun2015/

not running or certified for road use but its a bright yellow electric caterham 7 I think its a 11 kWh battery

Go a few posts back in this thread and we had a good chat about it

BigAl81

I guess "bargain" is relative. I think this car would have been close to 100k brand new?

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7H16FFP78080?redirect=no

£36k now.

Tesla Red Model S 85
Autopiliot
Pano roof
Air suspension
21" wheels
Certified pre owned, so lots of things checked out before you buy it.
2 year warranty

It's a real box ticker from my wish list. Wifey is nearly on board too!!!

Would love a 2016 face lift model, but don't think that will come into the "£35k" price range any time soon?

I'd ignore the WLTP range listed of 312 miles and say it would be more like 350kms at no more than 110kmph in good weather.

Anyone looking to buy an Ioniq

unkel

You should have bought the one for sale by a boardsie earlier this year. Very similar to that, also 2015 S85 CPO with AP and 2 years full warranty and had the 7 seat option which would be desirable to me. And car was in Dublin on Irish plates. He had trouble selling it privately so he let it go for EUR40k trade value. That was just a few grand too much for me. Would have taken it at EUR37k

Now I'm waiting until they drop a bit more hoping Brexit will be postponed again or even cancelled

ELM327

BigAl81 wrote: »

I guess "bargain" is relative. I think this car would have been close to 100k brand new?

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7H16FFP78080?redirect=no

£36k now.

Tesla Red Model S 85
Autopiliot
Pano roof
Air suspension
21" wheels
Certified pre owned, so lots of things checked out before you buy it.
2 year warranty

It's a real box ticker from my wish list. Wifey is nearly on board too!!!

Would love a 2016 face lift model, but don't think that will come into the "£35k" price range any time soon?

I'd ignore the WLTP range listed of 312 miles and say it would be more like 350kms at no more than 110kmph in good weather.

Anyone looking to buy an Ioniq

Mine was £38k, not far away now.


That nosecone model is a RWD so will not have the same range the D models have. Rumored to be harder on rear tire wear too.


If I was buying a non facelift I'd want to pay less, if I was paying 36k I'd come up with another 2-3k and get a facelift model.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

If I was buying a non facelift I'd want to pay less, if I was paying 36k I'd come up with another 2-3k and get a facelift model.

Yours was exceptionally cheap though for a car with (a bit) of Tesla warranty!

And you are making the very most of that deal (with the CCS thrown in) and the warranty (with the MCU fix). Hats off you procured yourself a bargain

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Yours was exceptionally cheap though for a car with (a bit) of Tesla warranty!

And you are making the very most of that deal (with the CCS thrown in) and the warranty (with the MCU fix). Hats off you procured yourself a bargain

Cheers. Also got a free chademo adapter too


Here's my exact car with lower miles for £1500 more
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E22GF137765?redirect=no


And two other (shorter range) facelifts for less
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E22GF137765?redirect=no
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E24GF151280?redirect=no

unkel

The first of your two "other" links points to the S90D again

Also how much does it cost to get Tesla to change "Autopilot Hardware" to "Autopilot with convenience features"?

I presume in the former, AP is not enabled?

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

The first of your two "other" links points to the S90D again

Also how much does it cost to get Tesla to change "Autopilot Hardware" to "Autopilot with convenience features"?

I presume in the former, AP is not enabled?

I think you are correct.

The "others" were S60/S60D facelifts, there's a few on the UK site for less than 38k.


I'm not sure how much it woiuld cost to enable AP from the hardware. My AC charging upgrade would cost 2100 EUR so I can't imagine it will be cheap!

unkel

AC charging upgrade as to go from one 11kW AC charger to dual 11kW AC chargers? They have to add a physical charger and the hardware is not cheap. With AP, it's just enabling the software, a few clicks on a keyboard.

Just done a quick calculation and even with free 22kW work charging, i will take you 62 years for that investment in the extra charger to pay for itself :pac:

ELM327

I'm not worried about it paying for itself.
I think it's the software unlock for 24a rather than hardware for 32a.

unkel

24A? How does that work?

I thought the Teslas either had a single 16A 3phase (so 11kW) charger or two of them for 22kW charging

An afterthought. Yours is probably the only EV in Ireland that can charge on any of the three types of DC fast chargers. Tesla supercharger, CHAdeMO and CCS :cool:

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

24A? How does that work?

I thought the Teslas either had a single 16A 3phase (so 11kW) charger or two of them for 22kW charging

An afterthought. Yours is probably the only EV in Ireland that can charge on any of the three types of DC fast chargers. Tesla supercharger, CHAdeMO and CCS :cool:

prefacelift either have 1 or 2 11kW chargers, for 11 or 22kW
facelift has one charger rated for 32a single phase but software locked to either 24a three phase or 16a three phase. You can pay for the upgrade to 24a "HPC" , all new Tesla S/X come with this as standard.


Yes the CCS/Chademo/Tesla thing is cool. And it didnt cost a thing.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

facelift has one charger rated for 32a single phase but software locked to either 24a three phase or 16a three phase.

This doesn't seem to make sense to me.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

This doesn't seem to make sense to me.

In practical terms if you have the 16a limited version like mine you can charge at up to 7kW (32a) single phase but are limited to 11kW (16a) three phase.

unkel

Yeah that's standard on most 3 phase chargers for most EVs. Charge at 16A on 3 phase and 32A on single phase. Like the BMW i3 and some newer EVs.

So you paid €2100 to go from 11kW to 17kW AC charging? :eek: I guess not too bad if you take into account they threw in free CCS and CHAdeMO, but in my case that money would have firmly stayed in my pocket

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Yeah that's standard on most 3 phase chargers for most EVs. Charge at 16A on 3 phase and 32A on single phase. Like the BMW i3 and some newer EVs.

So you paid €2100 to go from 11kW to 17kW AC charging? :eek: I guess not too bad if you take into account they threw in free CCS and CHAdeMO, but in my case that money would have firmly stayed in my pocket

I havent paid it yet but I am giving it some thought.


Irish bargains: (This is for sale for a while)
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-70d-70kwh-dual-motor/23713548

unkel

Way overpriced for a no warranty, no AP, pre-facelift car. No wonder it has not sold.

And keep that €2,100 in your pocket. Many nicer ways to spend it than upgrade your already decent slow charging. Even at 11kW your car is fully charged for free at work after your working day.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Way overpriced for a no warranty, no AP, pre-facelift car. No wonder it has not sold.

And keep that €2,100 in your pocket. Many nicer ways to spend it than upgrade your already decent slow charging. Even at 11kW your car is fully charged for free at work after your working day.

Why do you say no AP?
It has AP hardware anyway going by the stalks.

unkel

Yeah, but not software enabled. And nobody has been able to give me a satisfactory answer yet on how much it would cost to get the hardware enabled. If it's like €3k+ it might as well not have the hardware at all.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Yeah, but not software enabled. And nobody has been able to give me a satisfactory answer yet on how much it would cost to get the hardware enabled. If it's like €3k+ it might as well not have the hardware at all.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119790_tesla-bumps-price-of-autopilot-post-delivery
This claims $6k




If it has the hardware that's much better than the pre AP cars.
If you're buying a Tesla, 3k shouldnt be a big expense.