Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

12-02-2019 7:58pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Electrician.

To be fair, I take issue with nurses looking down their noses at people with trades. If I did your job, I'd prob be ****e. We just have skills in different areas. I think tons certain extent, nurses are starting to believe their own hype.

feckthisgenie · 12-02-2019 7:58pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Aren’t you upset? Grow up. I’m a apprentice electrician. We work poxy hours for good pay. Same as nurses But do more physically exhausting work. would you all be ok if we decided to go on strike and should something happen we just won’t care then will we? Or how bout mechanics or any other trade out there. Will we all just go on strike because we work more hours for same pay then.

Don't worry, you will soon be riding us proper when charging what you want for jobs and earning 1-2k + a week

12-02-2019 8:00pm

Miike wrote: »

I'm not sure how you've concluded I'm upset?

You're an apprentice, in training, and want to be paid more than a qualified nurse?

But qualified nurses want to start on better money than intern doctors??

Miike · 12-02-2019 8:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, I take issue with nurses looking down their noses at people with trades. If I did your job, I'd prob be ****e. We just have skills in different areas. I think tons certain extent, nurses are starting to believe their own hype.

If you're referring to me I think it's important to note (a) I'm not a nurse and (b) I'm not looking down my nose at him. I'm just curious why he thinks a trainee electrician should be paid more than a qualified nurse.

12-02-2019 8:01pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Must be tough making all that tea... :pac:

To be fair, there are many nurses I work with who I wouldn't even trust to make a cup of tea without ****ing it up

acequion · 12-02-2019 8:01pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Awww - Diddums got upset because his echo-chamber got ruined.

Is that the best you can do by way of response? You guys are priceless.:D

12-02-2019 8:03pm

dodderangler wrote: »

I’m a apprentice electrician. We work poxy hours for good pay. Same as nurses But do more physically exhausting work.

not quite sure about that.

In any case, you're exhausted from wiring houses or commercial buildings. Nurses are exhausted providing necessary healthcare or saving people's lives. Hardly the same thing.

By all means, go on strike. But I think we all know where public sympathy does and does not lie.

Miike · 12-02-2019 8:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

But qualified nurses want to start on better money than intern doctors??

Interns earn 36,857
SHO 43,897
Reg 55,857 - 65,794
Senior Reg 66,661 - 81,066
Sp. Reg 66,066 - 81,066

Which of those are nurses paid more than?

12-02-2019 8:06pm

Miike wrote: »

If you're referring to me I think it's important to note (a) I'm not a nurse and (b) I'm not looking down my nose at him. I'm just curious why he thinks a trainee electrician should be paid more than a qualified nurse.

Not you.Just generally from hearing them talking on the wards. I can see both sides of the argument if I'm honest.

dodderangler · 12-02-2019 8:08pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Must be tough making all that tea... :pac:

Tea? I work on a pharmaceutical site for a huge contractor. I’m not a scrub. I’m not domestic. Nice one though.

iamwhoiam · 12-02-2019 8:08pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair, there are many nurses I work with who I wouldn't even trust to make a cup of tea without ****ing it up

You are really full of your own importance aren't you . Any opportunity to put down nurses because you feel more important .

TCM · 12-02-2019 8:08pm

Deleted User wrote:

To be fair, there are many nurses I work with who I wouldn't even trust to make a cup of tea without ****ing it up

They say the same about.

TCM · 12-02-2019 8:10pm

dodderangler wrote:

So my job isnâ€™t skilled or qualified or tough. Nice try sunshine.

Shelf stackers will be looking for 45k PA soon enough.

Kalyke · 12-02-2019 8:10pm

Now that the nurses are getting their pay rise, they might have a whip around to buy a new battery for Ingrid Mileys smoke alarm....

dodderangler · 12-02-2019 8:11pm

Miike wrote: »

If you're referring to me I think it's important to note (a) I'm not a nurse and (b) I'm not looking down my nose at him. I'm just curious why he thinks a trainee electrician should be paid more than a qualified nurse.

Qualified electrician comes out with about 900. If he does overtime and btw gets raped on tax. That’s feck all more than my other half. So explain again why a fully qualified electrician is making tiny bit more than someone who works in a hospital and doesn’t break their back and have to walk kilometres a day on a site and working over 60 hours a week for barely 50 quid more than a nurse that only works 3 days. Explain that. And yes nurses look down their noses at everyone that’s not in the hospital business. I know. I’ve heard them.

12-02-2019 8:12pm

Miike wrote: »

Interns earn 36,857
SHO 43,897
Reg 55,857 - 65,794
Senior Reg 66,661 - 81,066
Sp. Reg 66,066 - 81,066

Which of those are nurses paid more than?

Nurse contract is 37.5 hours. Intern contract is 39 hours. Under the new pay deal (if agreed) nurses will earn more than doctors per hour.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 12-02-2019 8:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nurse contract is 37.5 hours. Intern contract is 39 hours. Under the new pay deal (if agreed) nurses will earn more than doctors per hour.

That's absolutely horrifying.

12-02-2019 8:16pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You are really full of your own importance aren't you . Any opportunity to put down nurses because you feel more important .

Important? I'm not important. I could die tomorrow. They could replace me pretty easily with somebody senior level from the NHS.

12-02-2019 8:18pm

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

That's absolutely horrifying.

I should clarify I mean intern doctors and starting off figure of 35000 euro for basic grade nurses.

Miike · 12-02-2019 8:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nurse contract is 37.5 hours. Intern contract is 39 hours. Under the new pay deal (if agreed) nurses will earn more than doctors per hour.

I'm open to seeing the math behind that, if you please.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 12-02-2019 8:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I should clarify I mean intern doctors.

I know. An intern doctor should earn more than the highest salaried nurse, anything else is outrageous.

Miike · 12-02-2019 8:22pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You are really full of your own importance aren't you . Any opportunity to put down nurses because you feel more important .

I don't actually agree with that sentiment. I think Dazzler has been fair in 90% of the things he's said. If anything he stimulates discussion which is the purpose of the thread and takes from the constant trolling. He pushes his profession but I think any professional does that, to some level.

iamwhoiam · 12-02-2019 8:26pm

Miike wrote: »

I don't actually agree with that sentiment. I think Dazzler has been fair in 90% of the things he's said. If anything he stimulates discussion which is the purpose of the thread and takes from the constant trolling. He pushes his profession but I think any professional does that, to some level.

The same Dazzler who declared that senior nurses who qualified with a diploma and not a degree were " not qualified " . I found it so disrespectful

I trained in 1972 before degree nursing . I consider myself and many colleagues very qualified and very able . Dazzler decided I was probably not capable of working on a ward . If that is not disrespectful to another person I don't know what is .

12-02-2019 8:26pm

Bitches Be Trypsin wrote: »

I know. An intern doctor should earn more than the highest salaried nurse, anything else is outrageous.

To be fair. I don't agree with this. An intern is newly qualified and needs hand holding. An experienced nurse is worth their weight in gold and especially ANPs if properly established should be paid reg level.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 12-02-2019 8:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair. I don't agree with this. An intern is newly qualified and needs hand holding. An experienced nurse is worth their weight in gold and especially ANPs if properly established should be paid reg level.

The interns are only hand held to an extent, they still have a huge responsibility and (IMO) should be earning more

Martina1991 · 12-02-2019 8:28pm

iamwhoiam wrote:

You are really full of your own importance aren't you . Any opportunity to put down nurses because you feel more important .

To be fair ya dont have to look too hard on social media to see some nurses inflated with self importance.

Instagram is riddled wih pictures of stethoscopes and scrubs with hashtags like #NursesSaveLives and phrases such as "Smart enough to be a doctor, chose to be a nurse".

I know nurses play a vital role in healthcare, but nurses are made out to be some sort of superhero for doing their job and every other hospital employee is a minor character.

Hospitals run like a machine 24/7. They could not do their jobs without everyone else but some seem to forget that.

Twenty Grand · 12-02-2019 8:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, there are many nurses I work with who I wouldn't even trust to make a cup of tea without ****ing it up

They're probably fantastic nurses though.
We all play to our strengths.

12-02-2019 8:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nurse contract is 37.5 hours. Intern contract is 39 hours. Under the new pay deal (if agreed) nurses will earn more than doctors per hour.

As they say in junior cert maths, show us your rough work?

iamwhoiam · 12-02-2019 8:32pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

To be fair ya dont have to look too hard on social media to see some nurses inflated with self importance.

Instagram is riddled wih pictures of stethoscopes and scrubs with hashtags like #NursesSaveLives and phrases such as "Smart enough to be a doctor, chose to be a nurse".

I know nurses play a vital role in healthcare, but nurses are made out to be some sort of superhero for doing their job and every other hospital employee is a minor character.

Hospitals run like a machine 24/7. They could not do their jobs without everyone else but some seem to forget that.

Well I don't agree with the sentiments above . Every single person in a hospital is important . But I would never disrespect another by declaring those with a diploma and not a degree were " unqualified "

12-02-2019 8:33pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The same Dazzler who declared that senior nurses who qualified with a diploma and not a degree were " not qualified " . I found it so disrespectful.
I trained in 1972 before degree nursing . I consider myself and many colleagues very qualified and very able . Dazzler decided I was probably not capable of working on a ward . If that is not disrespectful to another person I don't know what is .

When did I say you were not qualified? It just surprised me that it did not use to be a university degree. I never made any comment as to whether it was qualified or not.

12-02-2019 8:38pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As they say in junior cert maths, show us your rough work?

36900/52/39= 18 euro an hour

35500/52/37.5= 18 euro an hour.

Just ran that through in my head but I think my math is correct. You can go to town on me for not going to decimal places!

iamwhoiam · 12-02-2019 8:46pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When did I say you were not qualified? It just surprised me that it did not use to be a university degree. I never made any comment as to whether it was qualified or not.

Sorry my mistake it wasn't you used the word " unqualified "
But this is what you wrote .

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Find it bizaare that some nurses have no formal education. No knock on you but I couldn't do my job as a pharmacist if I hadn't studied it in college. I would have killed loads of people.

Nurses had a formal education in schools of nursing with tutors and lectures and exams . They were awaded a diploma based on written exams and clinical assessments

jlm29 · 12-02-2019 8:50pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

36900/52/39= 18 euro an hour

35500/52/37.5= 18 euro an hour.

Just ran that through in my head but I think my math is correct. You can go to town on me for not going to decimal places!

Most nurses have 39hr contracts. If not all

12-02-2019 8:51pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Sorry my mistake it wasn't you used the word " unqualified "
But this is what you wrote .

Nurses had a formal education in schools of nursing with tutors and lectures and exams . They were awaded a diploma based on written exams and clinical assessments

I just was surprised that nursing used to be a diploma until relatively recently. Just don't think that if you graduated with a diploma in nursing today. You would struggle.

Alrigghtythen · 12-02-2019 8:54pm

24 - 27 days holidays for a staff nurse in the ER in St. James

20 is statutory

iamwhoiam · 12-02-2019 8:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just was surprised that nursing used to be a diploma until relatively recently. Just don't think that if you graduated with a diploma in nursing today. You would struggle.

I never struggled . I learned my trade and was very good at it as are the many nurses still working with diploma level training . Its a massive insult to dismiss them as inferior . I trained and helped and guided many girls who arrived clutching degrees . We all learned from experience

12-02-2019 8:55pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

24 - 27 days holidays for a staff nurse in the ER in St. James

20 is statutory

I get 28 days annual leave. I don't see a problem with this.

Alrigghtythen · 12-02-2019 8:57pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I get 28 days annual leave. I don't see a problem with this.

Any thing over the statutory minimum is a benefit.

Miike · 12-02-2019 8:57pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

24 - 27 days holidays for a staff nurse in the ER in St. James

20 is statutory

They're awarded based on service years. You don't start at 27 days, I assure you.

12-02-2019 8:58pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I never struggled . I learned my trade and was very good at it as are the many nurses still working with diploma level training . Its a massive insult to dismiss them as inferior . I trained and helped and guided many girls who arrived clutching degrees . We all learned from experience

Again. I don't think you are inferior. I'm just saying that you need a serious grounding in the sciences these days to work as a nurse. Of course you can learn through experience but starting off, it must have been intense with just a diploma background.

Varta · 12-02-2019 8:59pm

dodderangler wrote: »

I was waiting for someone to say that. So why don’t we tell nurses to get a better paying job then? Works both ways doesn’t it!!

Not really. Supply and demand. I've been self-employed for most of my life and believe me I know all about supply and demand. Talk to any brickie about how much he earns in a boom and out of a boom.

12-02-2019 8:59pm

Miike wrote: »

They're awarded based on service years. You don't start at 27 days, I assure you.

I've moved over from the NHS. I started on 28 days annual leave.

Twenty Grand · 12-02-2019 8:59pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Any thing over the statutory minimum is a benefit.

So?

Alrigghtythen · 12-02-2019 9:00pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

So?

So when assessing how hard done by nurses are, the benefits show be factored in too

Miike · 12-02-2019 9:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've moved over from the NHS. I started on 28 days annual leave.

You're not a nurse either.

As a nurse you have 27 days @ 10+ years post reg. experience.

Varta · 12-02-2019 9:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

When did I say you were not qualified? It just surprised me that it did not use to be a university degree. I never made any comment as to whether it was qualified or not.

To be fair, that's not how it came across, but if that's what you meant then fair enough.

Twenty Grand · 12-02-2019 9:01pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

So when assessing how hard done by nurses are, the benefits show be factored in too

They are.

Miike · 12-02-2019 9:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

36900/52/39= 18 euro an hour

35500/52/37.5= 18 euro an hour.

Just ran that through in my head but I think my math is correct. You can go to town on me for not going to decimal places!

This starting salary is not a part of the agreement?
Also, staff nurses are on a 39 hour week.

Varta · 12-02-2019 9:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Again. I don't think you are inferior. I'm just saying that you need a serious grounding in the sciences these days to work as a nurse. Of course you can learn through experience but starting off, it must have been intense with just a diploma background.

Many diplomas in the 70's would far exceed a lot of today's degrees.

12-02-2019 9:04pm

Miike wrote: »

You're not a nurse either.

As a nurse you have 27 days @ 10+ years post reg. experience.

Wow. That's not great to be fair. I didn't realise this. Not sure why I thought everybody got 28 days. Just presumed it was par for the course because that's what I got.

Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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