Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Lovely stuff.
Labour court will undoubtedly side with the government and this is Phil's escape now from the pressure of the strike. Honestly she is in way over her head.

Telling no other nursing TU went on strike as they knew it would be breaking the agreement they had already signed up to.

Hi Brendan, how's your evening

feckthisgenie wrote: »

You called that well......

Nurses didn't win because they deserved it, they won because they put vulnerable lives at risk

Deleted User wrote: »

I've no issues with chiropractors as long as they don't make false claims. But they are mainly only good with minor muscle pain. Nothing wrong with going to a chiropractor, but the evidence that a physio would base their practice on would better than a chiropractor. Glad the placebo effect worked for you, dude.:)

Physios I've met are very poor, not even able to give placebo effect

wrangler wrote: »

Nurses didn't win because they deserved it, they won because they put vulnerable lives at risk

The government have been putting lives at risk for years in the health service between all the scandals, under staffing every sector of the HSE. Cop yourself on you absolute tool

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

The thread is about nurse strikes to be fair.

But if you want to include all public servants in this how would you propose to address the point I made above on nurses without degrees but lots of experience vs those fresh out of college with the masters. Those with the masters are deserving of an extra incentive as per your earlier point, so how do you differentiate between the two groups?

You dont differentiate.

Nurses havnt been allowed entry in to the profession without a qualification in over 20 years, the unqualified nurses are already at the top of the pay scale or near abouts. This would only effect new entrants who are already on a lower payscale to what they would have gotten just 10 years ago starting out. It would have no effect on unqualified nurses.
As time goes on the older generations of nurses and midwives will retire and all new entrants will be qualified.

Its been happening across the public sector for years, the entry requirements are getting higher while wages are getting lower and qualification allowances are being cut. New entrants are far less well off than older and sometimes unqualified staff, thats not to say im suggesting the pay or respect due to unqualified and experienced staff should be undermined or cut, im debating that qualification allowances should be reinstated.

My original post, which you likely missed, was about nurses on social media spreading false claims that teachers and other public sector workers are on a much higher starting pay than they actually get and have less qualifications than they actually have, some nurses are using these false claims to push their agenda. I agree with pay increases for nurses and the strikes but I disagree with the false claims being spread to push an agenda. Teachers have been in full support of nurses but are equally struggling with loss of pay and massive reduction in new entrant wages. Its disheartening to see some nurses push other public sector workers under the bus to sway opinion.

I'd say a few of the lads here are fierce hyper giving the turn of events - and the official position that the PSSA wasn't breached.

Lapis Luzali wrote: »

You dont differentiate.

Nurses havnt been allowed entry in to the profession without a qualification in over 20 years, the unqualified nurses are already at the top of the pay scale or near abouts. This would only effect new entrants who are already on a lower payscale to what they would have gotten just 10 years ago starting out. It would have no effect on unqualified nurses.
As time goes on the older generations of nurses and midwives will retire and all new entrants will be qualified.

Its been happening across the public sector for years, the entry requirements are getting higher while wages are getting lower and qualification allowances are being cut. New entrants are far less well off than older and sometimes unqualified staff, thats not to say im suggesting the pay or respect due to unqualified and experienced staff should be undermined,.

Unqualified ? No nurse is unqualified ? I had no degree but I sure as hell was a qualified nurse



A qualified person is defined by OSHA as one who, “by possession of a recognized degree, certificate, or professional standing, or who by extensive knowledge, training and experience, has successfully demonstrated his ability to solve or resolve problems relating to the subject matter

Deleted User wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what was your specific diagnosis?

It's just a back pain from years ago it locks, he sorts it, problem solved. It happened Christmas Eve this year and I didn't get to see him for 5 or 6 days I learn't that it wouldn't go away of it's own accord by resting it. I went to a consultant 25years ago and was told I'd have to live with it and that was a HSE consultant, went to chiropractor after that
Chiropractor is that long and more in Business, if he was no good he wouldn't be there, huge number of babies are brought to him
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alloywheel wrote: »

2005 all over again.

Paddy Power is taking bets on the country going bankrupt again within a few years, once the next deep recession due to any combination of number of possible factors eg Brexit / rise in interest rate / EU raises our corporation tax and multinationals move kicks in etc etc. The UK along with the IMF bailed us out last time, I wonder who will do it next time?

I'd say it's not a matter of if but when we go bust and like last time it's the private sector who will feel the brunt of it when job losses hit.

Old diesel wrote: »

If end of shift is the 7 pm of his 7 am to 7 pm shift and a assuning the nurses in question also started at 7 am - then the question id be asking is how long is a SAFE shift in theatre.

By safe I mean in terms of avoiding errors/patient safety issues.

You're making a lot of assumptions there OD. Firstly, he and all surgeons frequently operate after 7pm, it's a needs must business.

The end of shift for a nurse could frequently be 3pm, or other similar time during the working day. So this is the issue. Lack of flexibility from the tail shuts down the dog as it were. Not good practice, highly costly and very inefficient but typical of the HSE culture.

alloywheel wrote: »

2005 all over again.

Paddy Power is taking bets on the country going bankrupt again within a few years, once the next deep recession due to any combination of number of possible factors eg Brexit / rise in interest rate / EU raises our corporation tax and multinationals move kicks in etc etc. The UK along with the IMF bailed us out last time, I wonder who will do it next time?

Absolute ireland top of the list- all public expenditure has been snowballing since the IMF left town and its only accelerating.
We are in such a vulnerable place- brexit, massive national debts, massive personal debts, very poor infrastructure coupled with lagging capital spending (easier give the idiots a few quid a week rather invest for the long term).
We needed a good decade of very prudent fiscal responsibility but the public sector have continued on where they left off in 2008. I genuinely worry about this stuff as it affects us all in the coming years but the general public demand is for one of reckless spending. They’ll then wonder why the economy will implode once we hit the next downturn.

ricero wrote: »

Hopefully the teachers are next out for pay restoration after this result for nurses

Its rises at this stage.

Not restoration