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    #1502
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    That's him straight to Bellator so.


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    #1503
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Yair-Zabit would have been incredible.


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    #1504
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Proper order that he's been released. I wish the UFC would do that more and more.

    It used to be a case that you fought who you were told to fight - and that's what made the UFC in particular, so great. You didn't have fighters ducking each other like you have in professional boxing.

    Sadly, Conor's meteoric rise to fame and the wealth that's come with it has everyone else looking to imitate him without having nearly half of the draw he has. The feckin' moneyfight has been a bane on the UFC for a while now.

    Hopefully this is a return to form.


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    #1505
    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭cletus


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    Proper order that he's been released. I wish the UFC would do that more and more.

    It used to be a case that you fought who you were told to fight - and that's what made the UFC in particular, so great. You didn't have fighters ducking each other like you have in professional boxing.

    Sadly, Conor's meteoric rise to fame and the wealth that's come with it has everyone else looking to imitate him without having nearly half of the draw he has. The feckin' moneyfight has been a bane on the UFC for a while now.

    Hopefully this is a return to form.

    I don't think Yair was looking for a money fight. He got a fair clipping from Eddie, and he's been out for a year, so probably wanted a tune up fight


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    #1506
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    cletus wrote: »
    I don't think Yair was looking for a money fight. He got a fair clipping from Eddie, and he's been out for a year, so probably wanted a tune up fight

    Exactly - that's whats wrong. It doesn't have to be a money fight but you should fight who you're told to fight by the matchmakers. Declining fights because you don't deem them worthy is what stagnates divisions.


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    #1507
    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭cletus


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    Exactly - that's whats wrong. It doesn't have to be a money fight but you should fight who you're told to fight by the matchmakers. Declining fights because you don't deem them worthy is what stagnates divisions.

    Sorry point I was trying to make was that he didn't deem them not worthy, but too difficult after a year layoff. He's a good prospect, and the UFC have a history of burning up good prospects by relentlesly pitting them against each other


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    #1508
    weemcd
    Registered Users Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭weemcd


    UFC has let far too many decent talent go. Off the top of my head:

    Rory
    Mousassi
    Bader
    Davis
    Horiguchi
    Yair

    ^ should all still be in the UFC. Also they have not found a new draw in a long time.


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    #1509
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Dern is an absolute embarrassment.


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    #1510
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Dern is an absolute embarrassment.

    Miss weight again?

    That Brazilian booty has it's downsides.


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    #1511
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Dern is an absolute embarrassment.

    Miss weight again?

    That Brazilian booty has it's downsides.

    Came in at 123. 3rd time in 7 pro fights.

    She's hardly the most shredded of fighters either. Could easily make it if she put the work in.


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    #1512
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Miss weight again?

    That Brazilian booty has it's downsides.
    Only for her :)

    I presume she missed weight again, that's the common one


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    #1513
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    The best bit is she posted a photo the other day with a set of scales from one of her sponsors that was great at letting her track body fat, water weight etc.


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    #1514
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Came in at 123. 3rd time in 7 pro fights.

    She's hardly the most shredded of fighters either. Could easily make it if she put the work in.

    She cuts a lot of weight but as you said, she's not exactly shredded, she's always had a bit of cushion on the back end. she got away with it when she was younger competing in BJJ but as she's got older she's just filled out a bit and is naturally bigger. She needs to either decide she want's to go super low body fat percentage and stay at 115 or bulk up a bit and go 125, she's helping nobody as it stands.

    UFC will probably just tell her it's 125 of bust now though.


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    #1515
    Porthallian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Came in at 123. 3rd time in 7 pro fights.

    She's hardly the most shredded of fighters either. Could easily make it if she put the work in.

    So it's ABC vs 123? :)


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    #1516
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Came in at 123. 3rd time in 7 pro fights.

    She's hardly the most shredded of fighters either. Could easily make it if she put the work in.

    UFC will probably just tell her it's 125 of bust now though.

    She's a pretty white girl. Wouldn't be surprised to see them give her another chance at 115 but 125 is clearly where she needs to be. Suspect she'd get absolutely mauled up there though.

    Having seen the video, it really doesn't look like she put too much into the cut attempt.


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    #1517
    califano
    Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    weemcd wrote: »
    UFC has let far too many decent talent go. Off the top of my head:

    Rory
    Mousassi
    Bader
    Davis
    Horiguchi
    Yair

    ^ should all still be in the UFC. Also they have not found a new draw in a long time.

    One of the earliert shock releases was Jon Fitch. That was some time ago and hes fighting Paul Daley this weekend as it happens.


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    #1518
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Dern vs Cooper going ahead.


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    #1519
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    She's a pretty white girl. Wouldn't be surprised to see them give her another chance at 115 but 125 is clearly where she needs to be. Suspect she'd get absolutely mauled up there though.

    Having seen the video, it really doesn't look like she put too much into the cut attempt.

    Dafuq has her skin colour got to do with anything?


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    #1520
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Dafuq has her skin colour got to do with anything?
    See: Paige VanZant, Ronda Rousey etc


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    #1521
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    See: Paige VanZant, Ronda Rousey etc

    Paige is over hyped but Rousey was legitimately destroying all contenders at the time.

    I still don't get the reference to skin colour though , what is she benefiting from being white?


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    #1522
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Paige is over hyped but Rousey was legitimately destroying all contenders at the time.

    I still don't get the reference to skin colour though , what is she benefiting from being white?
    Until Holly came along and made her look like an amateur.
    Ronda has good Judo but that's it, and it was exposed badly against Holly.

    What he was getting at is the UFC has a tendency to push the good looking white girls over others


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    #1523
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Until Holly came along and made her look like an amateur.
    Ronda has good Judo but that's it, and it was exposed badly against Holly.

    What he was getting at is the UFC has a tendency to push the good looking white girls over others

    Name me a good looking black girl that they could push? And how is dern getting pushed? I haven't seen anything about her at all only articles on missed cuts

    Again with Rousey, she was savaging everyone at the time. Hindsight an all that.


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    #1524
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    She's a pretty white girl. Wouldn't be surprised to see them give her another chance.
    Tyron Woodley is that you?


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    #1525
    dulux99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Dern is never going to the top really based on current information available about her. Has openly said she only trains when she feels like it, got thrown out of her gym (or "invited to leave" as she put it), and regularly misses weight.


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    #1526
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,520 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Stocks of these scales will be through the floor.

    https://twitter.com/allanstaples/status/994952098281328640?s=19


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    #1527
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Name me a good looking black girl that they could push? And how is dern getting pushed? I haven't seen anything about her at all only articles on missed cuts

    Again with Rousey, she was savaging everyone at the time. Hindsight an all that.
    Why do they have to be good looking though? That was the point he was trying to make (I think)

    She was savaging them cos they had no power really and she could walk through whatever they threw to get the clinch. All that stopped with Holly, and then later again with Amanda


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    #1528
    Lukker-
    Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Dern should just stick with womens BJJ. Easier for her to make weight, and she could be legitimately the womens GOAT if she kept going the way she was


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    #1529
    mailburner
    Registered Users Posts: 23,839 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    weemcd wrote: »
    UFC has let far too many decent talent go. Off the top of my head:

    Rory
    Mousassi
    Bader
    Davis
    Horiguchi
    Yair

    ^ should all still be in the UFC. Also they have not found a new draw in a long time.

    Rory or mousassi had me scratching my head, fans loved them and they were ultimate pros
    Bader was always thereabouts without being a contender
    I was jumping with joy when Davis was cut

    Fitch was a big surprise at that time given his record
    Yair was good to watch so that's a shame but unlike in fitchs days they have any amount of talent to replace a lot of these guys nowaday


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    #1530
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Fight broke out at the Bamma presser, Kiely I think it was


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    #1531
    VW 1
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Lukker- wrote: »
    Dern should just stick with womens BJJ. Easier for her to make weight, and she could be legitimately the womens GOAT if she kept going the way she was

    Yeah but most people will go where the money is these days, can't imagine she would be getting as much for competing in BJJ as she would in the UFC.


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