Anti-vaxxers

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But seriously, who is pretending that? My degree is in this area, we were taught about adverse reactions and why and how they happen. Why do people think that this is not communicated? We were students who some of us would go on to work in vaccine development.

I have posted a long time previously regarding my own involvement with adverse vaccine reactions. I was openly attacked for it and have been told that I was talking nonsense. Allow me to briefly recap. One of my children had an extreme reaction to the mmr vaccine (As in life threatening). It came on within hours of getting the jab. Not one medic would countenance the idea that it had anything to do with the vaccine. Eventually, after the worst of the medical issues had subsided, an immunologist advised us that it was almost certainly an adverse reaction but also reassured us that it would leave no lasting effect. We are committed to vaccination and later went ahead with the booster and, thankfully, there were no side effects.

Fast forward about twenty years and the same child, now an adult gets titre tested for work reasons and is told that they have no immunity to measles. The reason given is that the first vaccine they got was likely either dose compromised or batch compromised. If the dose was compromised that was unfortunate for one person, and no doubt a very rare occurrence. If the batch was compromised then there is likely to be a whole host of people walking around without immunity to measles and none the wiser. If it's the latter, then the various doctors' refusal to countenance a vaccine reaction was medical negligence. The batch should have been tested and if compromised, action taken.

Did I become anti-vaxx as a consequence? Absolutely not. Vaccines have saved millions and millions of people from untold misery and death. And along with antibiotics, are probably the greatest scientific/medical achievement of mankind.

I understand why doctors are reluctant to give oxygen to anti-vaxxers, but that doesn't justify the way in which they treat people who may have experienced an extreme reaction to a vaccination.

Rant over. I wish you all the best.

Varta wrote: »

I have posted a long time previously regarding my own involvement with adverse vaccine reactions. I was openly attacked for it and have been told that I was talking nonsense. Allow me to briefly recap. One of my children had an extreme reaction to the mmr vaccine (As in life threatening). It came on within hours of getting the jab. Not one medic would countenance the idea that it had anything to do with the vaccine. Eventually, after the worst of the medical issues had subsided, an immunologist advised us that it was almost certainly an adverse reaction but also reassured us that it would leave no lasting effect. We are committed to vaccination and later went ahead with the booster and, thankfully, there were no side effects.

Fast forward about twenty years and the same child, now an adult gets titre tested for work reasons and is told that they have no immunity to measles. The reason given is that the first vaccine they got was likely either dose compromised or batch compromised. If the dose was compromised that was unfortunate for one person, and no doubt a very rare occurrence. If the batch was compromised then there is likely to be a whole host of people walking around without immunity to measles and none the wiser. If it's the latter, then the various doctors' refusal to countenance a vaccine reaction was medical negligence. The batch should have been tested and if compromised, action taken.

Did I become anti-vaxx as a consequence? Absolutely not. Vaccines have saved millions and millions of people from untold misery and death. And along with antibiotics, are probably the greatest scientific/medical achievement of mankind.

I understand why doctors are reluctant to give oxygen to anti-vaxxers, but that doesn't justify the way in which they treat people who may have experienced an extreme reaction to a vaccination.

Rant over. I wish you all the best.

How many doctors did you see that denied that the vaccination could have had anything to do with your child’s symptoms? It can’t have been more than a very small sample size. What, a GP, a few hospital doctors? My brother had an reaction to a childhood vaccine and it was taken seriously. It was acknowledged that it was to do with the vaccine. I had an adverse reaction to a vaccine a decade ago. It was acknowledged that it was to do with the vaccine. These are all anecdotes. I’ve studied in the field and have an interest in vaccines and I’ve never encountered anyone who denied that adverse reactions are a (very remote) possibility.

Sureitlbegrand wrote: »

Dont believe it should be forced on anybody. Besides if the vaccine works surely it means your immune once you've taken it and the only people who can get it are anti vacciners

A small amount of people can’t receive vaccines. They need to be protected.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

How many doctors did you see that denied that the vaccination could have had anything to do with your child’s symptoms? It can’t have been more than a very small sample size. What, a GP, a few hospital doctors? My brother had an reaction to a childhood vaccine and it was taken seriously. It was acknowledged that it was to do with the vaccine. I had an adverse reaction to a vaccine a decade ago. It was acknowledged that it was to do with the vaccine. These are all anecdotes. I’ve studied in the field and have an interest in vaccines and I’ve never encountered anyone who denied that adverse reactions are a (very remote) possibility.

You were lucky in the doctors that you and your brother encountered. I'm talking about numerous doctors in Crumlin Hospital, right up to consultant level. The reality is few doctors will acknowledge it or have the time/inclination to delve into it. For them, the vast majority of patients they will ever meet will only benefit from vaccines and suffer no serious side effect.

Varta wrote: »

You were lucky in the doctors that you and your brother encountered. I'm talking about numerous doctors in Crumlin Hospital, right up to consultant level. The reality is few doctors will acknowledge it or have the time/inclination to delve into it. For them, the vast majority of patients they will ever meet will only benefit from vaccines and suffer no serious side effect.

This was twenty years ago! How can say that’s how it is in the present day?

And the bolded bit is true, actually. A majority isn’t everybody. The vast majority of people do not get reactions to vaccines and they benefit from vaccines. Of course doctors believe that. Because it’s true. What part of that is denying that on rare occasions, adverse reactions occur?

Varta wrote: »

Obviously it's true. You are a very angry person. I'll bow out here.

For the love of jaysus. Talk about brittle.

If you know it’s true then what’s the problem with doctors believing it?

CBear1993 wrote: »

I got a lot of chesty coughs as a child, especially when engaging in physical activity or running around.

I would still wheeze very slightly after a tough gym session or sport.

Usually get a letter out in the post every year offering the flu jab(I’m from the north but live in Dublin last 2 years). Never get it. Touch wood, but I rarely get sick.

Was up home last weekend and the whole family were sick with the flu going around. My girlfriend got it off of them. We live together, she had it all last week, chesty cough everything, and has now recovered. I never as much as showed signs of symptoms.

Does this make me an anti-vaxxer? Always wondered that. Do I infuriate people by refusing to get it when told to.

26 and otherwise clean bill of health.

Well, I guess people not getting the flu jab puts immunocompromised people at risk but people not getting childhood vaccines means that you don’t have to be immunocompromised to die from one of the diseases the vaccines protect against. You won’t have been “told to” get the flu jab either. It’s just a suggestion.

mountai wrote: »

Well he did apologise afterwards for use of his words . BTW , the parents of REGRET are labeled as " Antivaxxers" when in fact , all their children have been given the HPV vaccine . Please explain the logic of this labeling . All the parents have ever wanted was examination and treatment for their children.

The founders of Regret are rabid antivaxxers. Catherine Weitbrecht founded it. None of her kids have been vaccinated and she brags about it. And they have direct links to Sanevax.

And let's not forget the amount of money her homeopath husband made out of treating girls who's parents were conned by regret. Weitbrech, Cannon and all the organisers of Regret are dangerous frauds.

The parents have been conned by them. That's the difference.

Orion wrote: »

The founders of Regret are rabid antivaxxers. Catherine Weitbrecht founded it. None of her kids have been vaccinated and she brags about it. And they have direct links to Sanevax.

And let's not forget the amount of money her homeopath husband made out of treating girls who's parents were conned by regret. Weitbrech, Cannon and all the organisers of Regret are dangerous frauds.

The parents have been conned by them. That's the difference.

A pattern emerges.