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    #2852
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Why? Does it cause autism?

    Naa it cures it.
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    According to someone on the internet

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/941028/


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    #2853
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    That's not a fact, that's an outright lie. The hpv vaccine prevents about 70% of cervical cancers. It's the second most common female cancer in Europe. Meanwhile no evidence of actual adverse effects from the vaccine. So please stop lying.

    https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/HPV_vaccine_rates_information_sheet_1217.pdf



    Yes he is wrong, the WHO study backs me up... Do you have a study of Andrews that you can produce?




    The WHO appointed Robert Mugabe as a "goodwill ambassador".


    Yet somehow we are meant to take that organization seriously :rolleyes:


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    #2854
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The WHO appointed Robert Mugabe as a "goodwill ambassador".


    Yet somehow we are meant to take that organization seriously :rolleyes:


    Andrew Wakefield abused children.

    Yet somehow we're supposed to take him seriously.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2855
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Andrew Wakefield abused children.

    Yet somehow we're supposed to take him seriously.


    There is zero evidence for that.


    Ask any of parents of the kids he is suppose to have "abused".


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    #2856
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is zero evidence for that.


    Ask any of parents of the kids he is suppose to have "abused".

    He admitted it in his retracted study and was then struck off before he scurried off to the US to make money from morons.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2857
    Erik Shun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is zero evidence for that.


    Ask any of parents of the kids he is suppose to have "abused".

    Personally, I'd ask the kids


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    #2858
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is zero evidence for that.


    Ask any of parents of the kids he is suppose to have "abused".

    Holding children down against there will and administering unnecessary procedures.. The WHO have a hell of a lot more credibility than your debunked studies that you're running with...


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    #2859
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    He admitted it in his retracted study and was then struck off before he scurried off to the US to make money from morons.




    Admitted what exactly ?


    If abuse was going on then why wasn't criminal charges brought against him ?


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    #2860
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Admitted what exactly ?

    If abuse was going on then why wasn't criminal charges brought against him ?

    It's in his retracted paper.

    And by the way, what sort of silly nonsense is this about Mugabe and the WHO? Presumably it's called the World Health Organisation because it consists of more than one individual and therefore someone else might have formulated the contents of the link sourced by mzungu above.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2861
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    Holding children down against there will and administering unnecessary procedures.. The WHO have a hell of a lot more credibility than your debunked studies that you're running with...




    Unfortunately the kids had to be held down to get them into the machine.


    This kind of thing happens all the time in hospitals


    If what Wakefield did was "abuse" then so was this.




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    #2862
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Unfortunately the kids had to be held down to get them into the machine.


    This kind of thing happens all the time in hospitals


    If what Wakefield did was "abuse" then so was this.



    The difference here is, these "treatments" were entirely unnecessary and he was perfectly aware of this.


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    #2863
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown, have you a single non-retracted study to prove anything you've said or is it all just Youtube conspiracy videos and blogs?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2864
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    The difference here is, these "treatments" were entirely unnecessary and he was perfectly aware of this.




    The kids had bowel disease so it needed to be properly diagnosed.


    Claiming Wakefield "abused" kids is laughable in the extreme when the parents never had a bad word to say against him.


    I've never heard of a case of child abuse where all the parents support the alleged "abuser".


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    #2865
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Did they support him? Proof please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2866
    pjohnson
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is zero evidence for that.


    Ask any of parents of the kids he is suppose to have "abused".

    Zero evidence sums up most of Wakefield's career.


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    #2867
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ask the parents. What does that mean? Does Dr Brown know them personally?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2868
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Dr Brown wrote:
    I've never heard of a case of child abuse where all the parents support the alleged "abuser".
    The Catholic church comes to mind.


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    #2869
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The kids had bowel disease so it needed to be properly diagnosed.


    Claiming Wakefield "abused" kids is laughable in the extreme when the parents never had a bad word to say against him.


    I've never heard of a case of child abuse where all the parents support the alleged "abuser".

    I've crohns disease which is a pretty brutal bowel disease so you've picked the wrong person to discuss this with. Firstly, lumbar punctures aren't commonly used for diagnoses. Colonoscopies and endoscopies do occur but they're pretty brutal so it would be reasonable to outline it to an ethics council(he didn't). He never told the paediatric association about the change in his tests, he claimed it would be a blood test at most. So if necessary, why not follow standard ethical protocols?
    Dr Harris said that guidelines from the British Paediatric Association (now the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health), the General Medical Council, and other bodies at the time laid down that research where there was no likely clinical benefit to children should not involve anything worse than a blood test, and that prior approval from an ethics committee was necessary.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381348/

    That's all pretty bad for a person without autism, it's bloody horrifying for a child with autism... So yep, it was entirely unethical and child abuse. The fact he didn't divulge intent of tests is telling.


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    #2870
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Did they support him? Proof please.




    They all signed a letter in support of him.


    If any one of the parents went after him you can be sure the media would have reported it to further "discredit" him.



    https://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/no-parent-ever-complained-to-gmc-public-statement-from-lancet-families-supports-the-mmr3.html


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    #2871
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Age of Autism again. No thanks.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2872
    [Deleted User]
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    They all signed a letter in support of him.


    If any one of the parents went after him you can be sure the media would have reported it to further "discredit" him.



    https://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/no-parent-ever-complained-to-gmc-public-statement-from-lancet-families-supports-the-mmr3.html


    evidence
    /ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/

    noun
    1.
    the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
    "the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
    synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, authentication, attestation, documentation;
    verb
    1.
    be or show evidence of.
    "the quality of the bracelet, as evidenced by the workmanship, is exceptional"
    synonyms: indicate, show, reveal, be evidence of, display, exhibit, manifest, denote, evince, signify;

    In other words not the crank site you referenced


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    #2873
    rawn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    Dr Brown, you need to read this

    https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347


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    #2874
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    rawn wrote: »
    Dr Brown, you need to read this

    https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347


    Brian Deer is the "journalist" who started the whole witch hunt against Wakefield he also stole the private medical records of sick children which was totally illegal.


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    #2875
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Your not going to win here brown. Wakefield is a fraud and a fake. This is the truth.

    Nothing you can say can dispute that. Nothing.

    Seeing the rest of your repulsive contributions to this forum I have to ask.... Are you just doing this for attention?


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    #2876
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Brian Deer is the "journalist" who started the whole witch hunt against Wakefield he also stole the private medical records of sick children which was totally illegal.

    Do you have a link for that, please?

    Also, by link I don't mean the blogs of anti-vaxxers.


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    #2877
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Double post


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    #2878
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Brian Deer is the "journalist" who started the whole witch hunt against Wakefield he also stole the private medical records of sick children which was totally illegal.

    Sounds like a top bloke.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2879
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Sounds like a top bloke.






    Hes some "journalist".


    The parents of the sick children hate deer with a passion.


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    #2880
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Hes some "journalist".


    The parents of the sick children hate deer with a passion.

    Wait, do you think autism is a sickness?


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    #2881
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Hes some "journalist".


    The parents of the sick children hate deer with a passion.

    Anyone who tries to expose child abusers deserves praise in my book. Odd that you disagree.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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