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    #2792
    sullivlo
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭sullivlo


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The fact is that a woman is more likely to be damaged by the Vaccine than die of cervical cancer.

    Dr Andrew Rynne pointed this out in article he wrote about the Vaccine.

    Any proof?

    Absolute ****e coming out of your mouth.


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    #2793
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,820 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Child abuse are you for real ? not one parent ever complained about Wakefield.

    I think you have being reading too much in the fake media about Wakefield.

    Not only did not a single parent accuse Wakefield of "child abuse" but they all actively supported him during his show trial.

    Its a very strange case of "child abuse" were the parents have nothing but good things to say about the alleged abuser.

    Sticking needles into the spines of children constitutes child abuse IMO.

    I'd ask for proof but we all know that such a request would join its cousins in the ether.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2794
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    sullivlo wrote: »
    Any proof?

    Absolute ****e coming out of your mouth.

    Have you seen his post history? I'm not sure if he posts anything that isn't offensive, outlandish or nonsense....
    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Sticking needles into the spines of children constitutes child abuse IMO.

    I'd ask for proof but we all know that such a request would join its cousins in the ether.

    The other thing is, it was entirely unnecessary and they had to have nurses physically restrain them.


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    #2795
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Child abuse are you for real ? not one parent ever complained about Wakefield.

    I think you have being reading too much in the fake media about Wakefield.

    He was struck off.


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    #2796
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I was just going to post about that county in New York State. I know there are people who can't be vaccinated for legitimate reasons but religion is not a valid reason to not vaccinate your kids.

    Neither is stupidity

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2797
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Sticking needles into the spines of children constitutes child abuse IMO.

    I'd ask for proof but we all know that such a request would join its cousins in the ether.




    Wakefield did no such thing.


    His colleague Dr John Walker Smith who carried out the tests was completely cleared of any wrong doing when he appealed his case to the high court.


    That's one small detail most the fake news media leave out of the story.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751


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    #2798
    Force Carrier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Force Carrier


    Replace anti-vaxxer with pro-diseaser.


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    #2799
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Force Carrier wrote: »
    Replace anti-vaxxer with pro-diseaser.




    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.


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    #2800
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,820 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Wakefield did no such thing.


    His colleague Dr John Walker Smith who carried out the tests was completely cleared of any wrong doing when he appealed his case to the high court.


    That's one small detail most the fake news media leave out of the story.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751

    Isn't the BBC fake news? Or is it just when it agrees with you?

    Wakefield is a child abusing piece of human filth who shares responsibility for the suffering and deaths of countless children. You have yet to cite evidence for any of your claims thus far.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2801
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Wakefield did no such thing.


    His colleague Dr John Walker Smith who carried out the tests was completely cleared of any wrong doing when he appealed his case to the high court.


    That's one small detail most the fake news media leave out of the story.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751

    Yet you linked to the story on the BBC. One of the biggest and well known news stations in the world.

    You aren't even paying attention to what you're posting.


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    #2802
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Wakefield did no such thing.


    His colleague Dr John Walker Smith who carried out the tests was completely cleared of any wrong doing when he appealed his case to the high court.


    That's one small detail most the fake news media leave out of the story.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751
    That's not Wakefield who has appealed though, it's pretty clear that Wakefield had known reasons for directing the study in the direction that he did. He literally profited from the study, he's most definitely corrupt and he would be unlikely to win an appeal based on his profiteering alone.
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.

    You're making up more rubbish... I'm impressed by how ill informed you are, on all subjects.


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    #2803
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    Here's a summary of findings.


    So absolutely no basis for his claims, tried to promote a quack treatment. The study was going to act as a way to promote his own vaccine and other products, so profit making is another via poor research. Plus people trying to sue the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine were fiscally backing him, he intentionally divulged that.

    And the last part, he engaged in invasive procedures against children for no good reason. This caused distress and they were held down at times so it could be completed.

    So he did loads wrong and has made a fortune as a result of his sheer lack of ethics.


    If Wakefield was only interested in money he could of backed down and kept his job.

    The Doctors who gave evidence against Wakefield were also on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies.


    If you look back at Wakefields original study it wasn't even about Autism but bowl disease.


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    #2804
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.

    That is a complete and utter falsehood. Wash your keyboard out.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2805
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,820 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.

    If only there was a way of determining such. Like, say a study of some kind.

    Let's be honest, if there was you'd be linking it in every post.

    But there isn't. You're just spouting your usual pro-diseaser drivel.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2806
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If Wakefield was only interested in money he could of backed down and kept his job.

    The Doctors who gave evidence against Wakefield were also on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies.


    If you look back at Wakefields original study it wasn't even about Autism but bowl disease.
    No, he continues to make large sums. He's never gonna recover his reputation so now he propagandises for profit. These are factual findings that he's not ever appealed successfully.


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    #2807
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    mzungu wrote: »
    Yet you linked to the story on the BBC. One of the biggest and well known news stations in the world.

    You aren't even paying attention to what you're posting.




    How many times do hear in the media that Wakefields colleague was cleared of any wrong doing ?


    The story has now been buried.


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    #2808
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    If only there was a way of determining such. Like, say a study of some kind.

    Let's be honest, if there was you'd be linking it in every post.

    But there isn't. You're just spouting your usual pro-diseaser drivel.


    There is such a study but it got pulled after the usual suspects attacked it.





    https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html


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    #2809
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,820 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is such a study but it got pulled after the usual suspects attacked it.





    https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html

    Can you link the actual study instead of that toilet site please?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2810
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    There is such a study but it got pulled after the usual suspects attacked it.




    https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html

    Not making it into a journal isn't a sign of a good study, it's a sign that it couldn't peer review. That's called shoddy research....


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    #2811
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you compare Vaxxed vs non Vaxxed children you will find the non Vaxxed children have alot less disease.

    Peer-reviewed source please.


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    #2812
    pjohnson
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    batgoat wrote: »
    You're making up more rubbish... I'm impressed by how ill informed you are, on all subjects.

    Of he course hes ill informed. Information would be a vaccine to stupidity and by god you defo dont want a vaccine duh.


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    #2813
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    How many times do hear in the media that Wakefields colleague was cleared of any wrong doing ?


    The story has now been buried.

    If the story was buried, why is it still freely available on news sites? Why were you able to post it in this thread?


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    #2814
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you look back at Wakefields original study it wasn't even about Autism but bowl disease.

    So in his defence you are saying he was P-hacking, pretty much the most unreliable and biased thing you can do in scientific research, what your saying makes Wakefield sound worse, not only were his actions, at best criminally negligent, he was so stupid that he didn't follow the basic tenants of study design and statistics.


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    #2815
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Can you tell me what Wakefield actually did wrong ?
    Are you actually taking the p!ss and having a laugh at all the posts you have trolled, or are you really that thick? Wakefield himself admitted that his "study" was junk. It's been refuted many times. He manipulated his study for financial gain. He could not have foreseen how his malpractice would go viral and have long reaching effects. I bet at this stage even he wishes he had never released the trash science he did.


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    #2816
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    I think appearing regularly on info wars is enough.

    A complete an utter con man.


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    #2817
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Why do people have to jump in the anti vaccine bandwagon just because someone they agree with politically does so?


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    #2818
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Desperately Seeking Susan validation

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2819
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    mzungu wrote: »
    If the story was buried, why is it still freely available on news sites? Why were you able to post it in this thread?


    You have to go looking for story. It never gets mentioned now when the fake news media talk about Wakefield.


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    #2820
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    Are you actually taking the p!ss and having a laugh at all the posts you have trolled, or are you really that thick? Wakefield himself admitted that his "study" was junk. It's been refuted many times. He manipulated his study for financial gain. He could not have foreseen how his malpractice would go viral and have long reaching effects. I bet at this stage even he wishes he had never released the trash science he did.


    The study was never meant to give a definitive answer on anything. It was only the start of his research.


    If the study was for "financial gain" he could of backed down and kept his job.


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    #2821
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Wakefield himself reneged on his claims about the autism link.


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