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    #2822
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Those people who don't believe there is a link between the MMR Vaccine and Autism might want to check out what Dr. Andrew Zimmerman has to say on the subject.

    Zimmerman who was a government expert on Vaccines now believes that Vaccines "could cause autism” in some cases.


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    #2823
    sullivlo
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭sullivlo


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Those people who don't believe there is a link between the MMR Vaccine and Autism might want to check out what Dr. Andrew Zimmerman has to say on the subject.

    Zimmerman who was a government expert on Vaccines now believes that Vaccines "could cause autism” in some cases.

    Link?


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    #2824
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Those people who don't believe there is a link between the MMR Vaccine and Autism might want to check out what Dr. Andrew Zimmerman has to say on the subject.

    Zimmerman who was a government expert on Vaccines now believes that Vaccines "could cause autism” in some cases.

    So... someone with an opinion you like. Any evidence?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2825
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    You have to go looking for story. It never gets mentioned now when the fake news media talk about Wakefield.

    In other words it doesn't exist. The problem is that anti-vaxxers spend all of their time spreading ignorance with the result being that their arguments get taken in bad faith, ie you've spouted so much drivel that that's what's now expected of you.

    Or you could link this study. Maybe actually read it as well.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2826
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    sullivlo wrote: »
    Link?

    How can you post a link to someone's imagination?


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    #2827
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,054 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Those people who don't believe there is a link between the MMR Vaccine and Autism might want to check out what Dr. Andrew Zimmerman has to say on the subject.

    Zimmerman who was a government expert on Vaccines now believes that Vaccines "could cause autism” in some cases.

    Nah

    That isnt what Zimmerman believes at all. You are now peddling fake news.

    https://twitter.com/UMassMedical/status/1085574740255883264?s=20

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2828
    ohnonotgmail
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    This thread absolutely reeks of deja vu.


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    #2829
    francois
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    This thread absolutely reeks of deja vu.

    The same ****posters with different regs


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    #2830
    Igotadose
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    This thread absolutely reeks of deja vu.

    Feels like it should be under a Religion category, this isn't particularly fun and mostly not very social, and the anti-vax side are just spouting their dogma. :p

    As for that nonsense posted above about Zimmermann, the poster should probably look into the Danes who have published their second enormous study on vaccines and Autism, which has been mentioned here before. Oh, and if the poster is actually interested in what causes autism, maybe it should look into the recent study on pesticides and autism. That one is very telling - the area in question is US farm country where pesticide use is commonplace.

    Of course, I doubt the poster has any interest in autism, or facts. It's just its religion and its found a few like-"minded" friends online that agree with it.


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    #2831
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Anti-vaxx is a religion, and so is Brexit

    Neither can withstand exposure to logic and facts, but the gobsh!tes who believe in the woo don't care

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #2832
    banie01
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Those people who don't believe there is a link between the MMR Vaccine and Autism might want to check out what Dr. Andrew Zimmerman has to say on the subject.

    Zimmerman who was a government expert on Vaccines now believes that Vaccines "could cause autism” in some cases.

    The same Zimmerman who was selectively and completely out of context quoted earlier in this thread by another anti-vaxxer?

    Tell you what, why don't you tell us what Gemma told you he meant...
    Then we can explain what was actually said.


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    #2833
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Anti-vaxx is a religion, and so is Brexit

    Neither can withstand exposure to logic and facts, but the gobsh!tes who believe in the woo don't care

    I really don't get why some people decide to outsource their brains to Donald Trump.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2834
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Nah

    That isnt what Zimmerman believes at all. You are now peddling fake news.

    https://twitter.com/UMassMedical/status/1085574740255883264?s=20




    So he backed down to save his career. But it doesnt change what he did his written affidavit. You must also think thats "fake news" ?


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    #2835
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    So he backed down to save his career. But it doesnt change what he did his written affidavit. You must also think thats "fake news" ?

    It's blatantly obvious that it's fake news.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2836
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    In other words it doesn't exist. The problem is that anti-vaxxers spend all of their time spreading ignorance with the result being that their arguments get taken in bad faith, ie you've spouted so much drivel that that's what's now expected of you.

    Or you could link this study. Maybe actually read it as well.


    The story is 100% real.


    Wakefield's colleague Dr John Walker Smith was cleared of any wrong doing.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751


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    #2837
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Feels like it should be under a Religion category, this isn't particularly fun and mostly not very social, and the anti-vax side are just spouting their dogma. :p

    As for that nonsense posted above about Zimmermann, the poster should probably look into the Danes who have published their second enormous study on vaccines and Autism, which has been mentioned here before. Oh, and if the poster is actually interested in what causes autism, maybe it should look into the recent study on pesticides and autism. That one is very telling - the area in question is US farm country where pesticide use is commonplace.

    Of course, I doubt the poster has any interest in autism, or facts. It's just its religion and its found a few like-"minded" friends online that agree with it.




    The real religion is people who think Vaccines are completely safe when its clear they cause serious harm to a minority of people.


    Have a look at the countless number of people damaged by Vaccines.


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ/videos


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    #2838
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The story is 100% real.


    Wakefield's colleague Dr John Walker Smith was cleared of any wrong doing.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751

    Prove that it's real then. Show me the study. Show me the methods and results.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2839
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Prove that it's real then. Show me the study. Show me the methods and results.




    I just posted a link to show that Wakefield's colleague was cleared.


    You said that story was "fake".


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    #2840
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    I just posted a link to show that Wakefield's colleague was cleared.


    You said that story was "fake".

    No, I said this story about some suppressed study is fake.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2841
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Can you link the actual study instead of that toilet site please?




    Here it is. The study you cliamed was "fake".



    https://www.rescuepost.com/files/mawson-et-al-2017-vax-unvax-jnl-translational-science.pdf


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    #2842
    ancapailldorcha
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Here it is. The study you cliamed was "fake".



    https://www.rescuepost.com/files/mawson-et-al-2017-vax-unvax-jnl-translational-science.pdf

    More of your nonsense, I'm afraid. Details below:

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2843
    dexter_morgan
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭dexter_morgan


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The real religion is people who think Vaccines are completely safe when its clear they cause serious harm to a minority of people.

    That really is a tiny minority though! The swine flu vaccine which you mentioned earlier, the chance of narcolepsy is only 1 in 50,000. The benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.


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    #2844
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The real religion is people who think Vaccines are completely safe when its clear they cause serious harm to a minority of people.


    Have a look at the countless number of people damaged by Vaccines.


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ/videos

    You're not even consistent in your own views. You already said the hpv vaccine causes more harm than good...


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    #2845
    TheSegal
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Here it is. The study you cliamed was "fake".



    https://www.rescuepost.com/files/mawson-et-al-2017-vax-unvax-jnl-translational-science.pdf


    Good old pay-to-publish open access journals, where would researchers with completely bogus falsified results be without them.


    Dr. Brown, any chance you could link to some respected peer-reviewed journal publications or are they all conspiring against the anti-vaxxers/pro-preventable-diseasers??


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    #2846
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,170 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The real religion is people who think Vaccines are completely safe when its clear they cause serious harm to a minority of people.


    Have a look at the countless number of people damaged by Vaccines.


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ/videos

    I smell a collection of liars trying to milk the gullible for money.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2847
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Here it is. The study you cliamed was "fake".



    https://www.rescuepost.com/files/mawson-et-al-2017-vax-unvax-jnl-translational-science.pdf

    That "study" was retracted. I'm quite sure you are well aware of that.

    I'm also quite sure you are aware that after it was retracted from a Frontiers journal, the title of the "study" was altered before being sent into the Journal of Translational Medicine. However, the cute hoorism from the ant-vaxxers did not go unnoticed, the JTM also retracted it fairly sharpish.

    You might also wish to note that the authors have a history of having their other papers retracted too.

    Time and time again their awful methodology and biased sampling designs have been called out by proper medical professionals.


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    #2848
    mzungu
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    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The real religion is people who think Vaccines are completely safe when its clear they cause serious harm to a minority of people.


    Have a look at the countless number of people damaged by Vaccines.


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwZDSEpPvE398OLazdituKQ/videos

    Random YouTube vid is just that.

    If you want to view the stats for those damaged by measles, here are a few for your perusal:
    Even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available, in 2017, there were 110 000 measles deaths globally, mostly among children under the age of five.

    Measles vaccination resulted in a 80% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2017 worldwide.

    In 2017, about 85% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.

    During 2000-2017, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 21.1 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

    Link: https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles


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    #2849
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I smell a collection of liars trying to milk the gullible for money.

    Shur you can buy bleach anywhere.
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    .don't drink bleach btw


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    #2850
    Capt'n Midnight
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    original paper ( since retracted )

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9500320/
    12 children (mean age 6 years [range 3-10], 11 boys)
    ...
    Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children, with measles infection in one child, and otitis media in another.


    "with measles infection in one child" - 100% of the kids with measles had behavioural symptoms :eek:


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    #2851
    ancapailldorcha
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    evolving_doors wrote: »
    Shur you can buy bleach anywhere.
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    .don't drink bleach btw

    Why? Does it cause autism?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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