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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

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    #2462
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 17,999 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Looks like Leo Varadkar won out in the end. The changed wording means that people can go on a holiday to one of the 15 countries without breaking any of the restrictions.


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    #2463
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    almostover wrote: »
    Stay in Spain so if you love it so much! I'll be at the airport to wave you off!

    I work remotely with Spanish people most days of the week, based in the Barcelona region. Be glad for being Irish and for the approach we have taken. Spain aren't exactly the model to be following.

    Spain have lower wages than us, much lower. Hence the lower prices of eating and drinking out.

    I'm sick to the back teeth of people giving out about Ireland, calling it a kip, saying I can't wait to leave etc. If that's the case p*ss off and let the rest of us get on with enjoying living on one of the most beautiful countries in the world, with some of the best food, a democratic republic and with a great society of people with strong community spirit (for the most part). Ireland isn't perfect, but it's a great country for the most part.

    Irelands not a kip.

    You said the word kip.

    The way they've been dealing with things the last few weeks has been atrocious, leaving everyone in limbo, unaware if they're 'allowed' to do something or if they'll get in trouble.

    And I'm well aware of Spain and their economy thanks!

    Ireland is a great country in many other ways, obviously. But they're making an absolute mess of the easing of restrictions and the rules around them.

    Haha, funny how you used Barcelona, the worst place hit in Spain for covid as an example, yet many of the other regions weren't half that bad.


    The Irish government have just gone and announced a green list for travel, despite public health 'advice' still saying avoid non essential travel.

    That just shows how much of a mockery they are.


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    #2464
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Italy on the green list.
    The mind boggles

    The Irish hob nob set will holiday there and not in the costas. Makes perfect sense government looking after its own.


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    #2465
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    All these people on Facebook 'oh ma gawdd the gubberment r so stupid why is Italy on de list'

    Em, read the news people.

    Italy WAS the epicentre at the start of the European cases. Now they are doing fantastic. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to travel there.


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    #2466
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,639 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    Their doing great there, but I still dont like to see it because youl have loads of people going there on holidays now and mixing with others and what not which might be safe in one aspect but still risks them coming back to Ireland as shools open and then in September if theres rises in cases you can turn the clock back and say OK close Italy now. Itl be too late.


    I'm sorry but this...


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    #2467
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    dartboardio wrote: »
    All these people on Facebook 'oh ma gawdd the gubberment r so stupid why is Italy on de list'

    Em, read the news people.

    Italy WAS the epicentre at the start of the European cases. Now they are doing fantastic. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to travel there.

    Portugal doing better but not on the list. Funny that, not.


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    #2468
    siochain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭siochain


    With the wording ‘normal precautions’ will the insurance companies cover the green list


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    #2469
    Lifelike
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    almostover wrote: »
    Dissent is good, agree fully with you. Opinion without any basis in fact however is unhelpful. Not referring to your post when I say that.

    What I'm referring to is people arguing with science based recommendations that wearing face coverings help limit the transmission of COVID-19. Or that international travel increases the exposure of people to COVID-19 and is a conduit for the spreading of the virus.

    I'll admit that we do have to find a way to get back to normality with COVID-19 present in our world. But we should do it based on well researched science and based on the guidance of experts in the field of virology. Not based on the opinions of internet chat room contrarian. Again, not referring directly to you.

    I fully agree that our approach to COVID needs to be guided by experts in virology, but it cannot be dictated by them. If many public health “experts” had had their way (e.g. Dr Gabriel Scally et al) we would still now be in a hard lockdown. I’m sure if we had done that the case count would be slightly lower but the economic and mental health effects likely would have been catastrophic. Also bear in mind regarding face coverings that masks were not recommended to the general public back in March/April as the public health experts thought that they could contribute to the spread of infection. That has obviously since been disproven, which further goes to show that in reality no one is an expert in how this pandemic should be managed, and that therefore open discussion like this is important now more than ever.

    I see few, if any, posters on this thread arguing against the benefit of face coverings or arguing for the lifting of travel restrictions to all countries worldwide as there appears to be solid scientific evidence and/or common sense underpinning these restrictions. There doesn’t appear to be for travel to many other EU countries, however.

    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    Their doing great there, but I still dont like to see it because youl have loads of people going there on holidays now and mixing with others and what not which might be safe in one aspect but still risks them coming back to Ireland as shools open and then in September if theres rises in cases you can turn the clock back and say OK close Italy now. Itl be too late.

    If you care to look at the recent data you will see that Italy has now managed to suppress the virus to a similar level that we have, hence the reason it has been included on the green list. In theory a trip to Italy should not jeopardise the reopening of schools any more than a trip to Killarney or Galway. Just because Italy was one of the first countries hit by the pandemic doesn’t mean it’s still badly affected now.


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    #2470
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Are there direct flights to Gibraltar? Because I'm pretty sure there aren't and you'd have to go through the UK or Malaga to get there...


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    #2471
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Portugal doing better but not on the list. Funny that, not.

    They arent


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    #2472
    [Deleted User]
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    Already have a trip to Rome planned in August, to see the city without the hordes of tourists.


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    #2473
    [Deleted User]
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    dartboardio wrote: »
    Irelands not a kip.

    You said the word kip.

    The way they've been dealing with things the last few weeks has been atrocious, leaving everyone in limbo, unaware if they're 'allowed' to do something or if they'll get in trouble.

    And I'm well aware of Spain and their economy thanks!

    Ireland is a great country in many other ways, obviously. But they're making an absolute mess of the easing of restrictions and the rules around them.

    Haha, funny how you used Barcelona, the worst place hit in Spain for covid as an example, yet many of the other regions weren't half that bad.


    The Irish government have just gone and announced a green list for travel, despite public health 'advice' still saying avoid non essential travel.

    That just shows how much of a mockery they are.

    The green list is not pointless. I travel. It's ESSENTIAL. Now I can go back to work when returning from a green list country instead of being paid to stay at home looking at the wall because there's only so much diy I can do.


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    #2474
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    acequion wrote: »
    You talk of opinion without basis in fact so can you please show me evidence of a confirmed case of a returning Irish person or tourist from Europe testing positive for Covid?

    Because without such evidence and very strong evidence, this travel advisory is opinion without basis on fact. An opinion disagreed with by many experts in Europe.

    As for the wearing of face coverings, I didn't even mention that. In fact I have no problem whatsoever with protocols such as face covering, distancing, hand hygiene. My post is about how those in power are overstepping the mark when it comes to people's freedoms. All activity is risky in a pandemic but as many other countries are discovering balance is possible.

    Really yeah? You don't believe there was any confirmed cases coming into Ireland?


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    #2475
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Portugal doing better but not on the list. Funny that, not.

    Portugal has >60 cases per 100,000 people over the past 14 days, Lisbon in particular had >120. Ireland has <5.


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    #2476
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    siochain wrote: »
    With the wording ‘normal precautions’ will the insurance companies cover the green list

    Yes, there are 4 official levels of travel advice:

    Normal Precautions
    High degree of caution
    Avoid non-essential travel
    Do not travel

    The first two are covered by travel insurance.


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    #2477
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    almostover wrote: »
    Read back a few pages, an employee in my company returned from abroad (UK) and tested positive for COVID a few months back. Sadly this person passed away since. Do you not remember the story doctor who brought COVID back from Italy and was practicing in multiple locations before he knew he had it? The guidlines are simple, stay in Ireland unless your travel is necessary. If necessary then you dont have to quarantine on your return from the green list countries. No more about it.

    I'm sorry but you haven't really answered my question. I'm not referring to travel back in February/March when this whole thing was just starting and yes I well remember the story of the doctor. Also when did this employee in your company return from the UK?

    What I'm referring to and what I really want to know about is post lockdown travel. We get vague reports about travel related cases but I think these figures should be made public. Specifically what travel and what countries?Telling people they shouldn't travel without strong evidence that travel is such a threat, especially when not considered so in every other EU country,is not acceptable imo.


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    #2478
    The_Brood
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    So its a green list but your still not supposed to travel for non essential reasons. This is the biggest joke the goverment has put out so far and thats saying something.

    I hope Leo will be paying us out of his own pocket for holidays in Ireland?


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    #2479
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Really yeah? You don't believe there was any confirmed cases coming into Ireland?

    Please read my last post and show me the evidence. Because without evidence, no I don't believe it.


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    #2480
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,080 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    The_Brood wrote: »
    So its a green list but your still not supposed to travel for non essential reasons. This is the biggest joke the goverment has put out so far and thats saying something.

    I hope Leo will be paying us out of his own pocket for holidays in Ireland?

    According to the Journal "Under Department of Foreign Affairs travel advice, people travelling to these destinations are advised to take normal precautions" so don't think the essential travel applies


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    #2481
    ZX7R
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    I'm curious will they add countries in the future if there infection rate drops in line with Ireland's


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    #2482
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    Id be more worried about people thinking they can think about everything for theselves even on complicated and specialist stuff that clever people spend years studying and do become experts and then some lads who never looked at something before read a bit of youtube and reddit and think they know better and so want to be free to do what they want themselves. Thats the problem right there and these people give a big risk to the rest of it. All for free speech and that but that doesnt give the right to just do what you want. If the emocratic society thing has anything its that we give people jobs to do in it so they can specialise and be better than the rest but that works out well for everybody. Not everyone deciding they experts dont know what their talking about so forget them. So its the smart lads who follow the goverment and services that are trying their best and are the ones in the best place to give the best advice.

    It's your very attitude that I have a problem with. This notion that the experts know everything and the rest of us know nothing. This is the typical Ireland that hasn't changed. One time it was the priest who knew everything. Or the teacher. Or the guard. And how dare you question his authority!

    Well it's intelligent to question. To look at other viewpoints and then to adopt one's own opinion. And you might think it's smart to blindly follow the Govt, the same kind of people who walked us over a cliff countless times to economic disasters, the same people found guilty of self interest and corruption in several instances. But I think it very unsmart to take my cue from them.


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    #2483
    54and56
    Registered Users Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭54and56


    Stephen Gifted Geophysics wrote: »
    Yes, there are 4 official levels of travel advice:

    Normal Precautions
    High degree of caution
    Avoid non-essential travel
    Do not travel

    The first two are covered by travel insurance.

    DFA already updated the travel advisory status for Greece to "Normal Precautions"

    https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/greece/

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    #2484
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    acequion wrote: »
    Please read my last post and show me the evidence. Because without evidence, no I don't believe it.

    I read it again. This is such a bizarre stand you are taking here. Surely I don't need to explain how this virus works; asymptomatic transmission. I have anecdotal evidence but it shouldn't even matter.


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    #2485
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    acequion wrote: »
    It's your very attitude that I have a problem with. This notion that the experts know everything and the rest of us know nothing. This is the typical Ireland that hasn't changed. One time it was the priest who knew everything. Or the teacher. Or the guard. And how dare you question his authority!

    Well it's intelligent to question. To look at other viewpoints and then to adopt one's own opinion. And you might think it's smart to blindly follow the Govt, the same kind of people who walked us over a cliff countless times to economic disasters, the same people found guilty of self interest and corruption in several instances. But I think it very unsmart to take my cue from them.

    Absolutely be skeptical but there is a big difference between a priest/teacher/guard and the likes of Luke O'Neill


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    #2486
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I read it again. This is such a bizarre stand you are taking here. Surely I don't need to explain how this virus works; asymptomatic transmission. I have anecdotal evidence but it shouldn't even matter.

    I'm not even remotely interested in your anecdotal evidence. I want official evidence of tourists or returning Irish people recently entering the country with Covid. Because as many posters will have pointed out if you care to read the thread and think more deeply about this and indeed look around you [ Ballybunion beach thronged this weekend] you might see that holidaying in Ireland is potentially more risky than a quiet vacation somewhere abroad.

    Therefore it would be useful to know the source of the daily infections.


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    #2487
    [Deleted User]
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    acequion wrote: »
    I'm not even remotely interested in your anecdotal evidence. I want official evidence of tourists or returning Irish people recently entering the country with Covid. Because as many posters will have pointed out if you care to read the thread and think more deeply about this and indeed look around you [ Ballybunion beach thronged this weekend] you might see that holidaying in Ireland is potentially more risky than a quiet vacation somewhere abroad.

    Therefore it would be useful to know the source of the daily infections.

    Right, you won't listen to exact evidence you are asking for. G'luck


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    #2488
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Right, you won't listen to exact evidence you are asking for. G'luck

    What a ridiculous answer. I can't listen to what doesn't exist. G'luck to yourself!


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    #2489
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    acequion wrote: »
    What a ridiculous answer. I can't listen to what doesn't exist. G'luck to yourself!

    I know someone who travelled back from New Zealand of all places at the start of this month. During their 2 week quarantine, they tested positive and infected half their family. Horrid luck but sure anyone who gets it is horribly unlucky. You are somehow claiming this is impossible. Boggles the mind.


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    #2490
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know someone who travelled back from New Zealand of all places at the start of this month. During their 2 week quarantine, they tested positive and infected half their family. Horrid luck but sure anyone who gets it is horribly unlucky. You are somehow claiming this is impossible. Boggles the mind.

    Just where did I claim that this is impossible??

    You obviously only read from posts what you want to read.

    Of course travel is risky, all travel except your own private car. And all interactions with others are risky. Hence lockdown, hence slow easing of restrictions. But restrictions have to be eased and likewise with foreign travel. Therefore people have the right to know where current cases are coming from. For example, of today's 36 cases, how many were community, travel related, health care worker? They used to provide that information at the start. And at this point I feel they should be more specific about travel related infections especially as they continue the non travel advice.


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    #2491
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    dartboardio wrote: »
    All these people on Facebook 'oh ma gawdd the gubberment r so stupid why is Italy on de list'

    Em, read the news people.

    Italy WAS the epicentre at the start of the European cases. Now they are doing fantastic. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to travel there.

    Also places like around Naples and Sicily never had many infections.
    In addition, most holidays in Italy are more genteel than the Ibiza uncovered type carry-on that you get in Spain.


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