almostover wrote: » Stay in Spain so if you love it so much! I'll be at the airport to wave you off! I work remotely with Spanish people most days of the week, based in the Barcelona region. Be glad for being Irish and for the approach we have taken. Spain aren't exactly the model to be following. Spain have lower wages than us, much lower. Hence the lower prices of eating and drinking out. I'm sick to the back teeth of people giving out about Ireland, calling it a kip, saying I can't wait to leave etc. If that's the case p*ss off and let the rest of us get on with enjoying living on one of the most beautiful countries in the world, with some of the best food, a democratic republic and with a great society of people with strong community spirit (for the most part). Ireland isn't perfect, but it's a great country for the most part.
Gael23 wrote: » Italy on the green list. The mind boggles
Golf is my Game wrote: » Their doing great there, but I still dont like to see it because youl have loads of people going there on holidays now and mixing with others and what not which might be safe in one aspect but still risks them coming back to Ireland as shools open and then in September if theres rises in cases you can turn the clock back and say OK close Italy now. Itl be too late.
dartboardio wrote: » All these people on Facebook 'oh ma gawdd the gubberment r so stupid why is Italy on de list' Em, read the news people. Italy WAS the epicentre at the start of the European cases. Now they are doing fantastic. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to travel there.
almostover wrote: » Dissent is good, agree fully with you. Opinion without any basis in fact however is unhelpful. Not referring to your post when I say that. What I'm referring to is people arguing with science based recommendations that wearing face coverings help limit the transmission of COVID-19. Or that international travel increases the exposure of people to COVID-19 and is a conduit for the spreading of the virus. I'll admit that we do have to find a way to get back to normality with COVID-19 present in our world. But we should do it based on well researched science and based on the guidance of experts in the field of virology. Not based on the opinions of internet chat room contrarian. Again, not referring directly to you.
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » Portugal doing better but not on the list. Funny that, not.
dartboardio wrote: » Irelands not a kip. You said the word kip. The way they've been dealing with things the last few weeks has been atrocious, leaving everyone in limbo, unaware if they're 'allowed' to do something or if they'll get in trouble. And I'm well aware of Spain and their economy thanks! Ireland is a great country in many other ways, obviously. But they're making an absolute mess of the easing of restrictions and the rules around them. Haha, funny how you used Barcelona, the worst place hit in Spain for covid as an example, yet many of the other regions weren't half that bad. The Irish government have just gone and announced a green list for travel, despite public health 'advice' still saying avoid non essential travel. That just shows how much of a mockery they are.
acequion wrote: » You talk of opinion without basis in fact so can you please show me evidence of a confirmed case of a returning Irish person or tourist from Europe testing positive for Covid? Because without such evidence and very strong evidence, this travel advisory is opinion without basis on fact. An opinion disagreed with by many experts in Europe. As for the wearing of face coverings, I didn't even mention that. In fact I have no problem whatsoever with protocols such as face covering, distancing, hand hygiene. My post is about how those in power are overstepping the mark when it comes to people's freedoms. All activity is risky in a pandemic but as many other countries are discovering balance is possible.
siochain wrote: » With the wording ‘normal precautions’ will the insurance companies cover the green list
almostover wrote: » Read back a few pages, an employee in my company returned from abroad (UK) and tested positive for COVID a few months back. Sadly this person passed away since. Do you not remember the story doctor who brought COVID back from Italy and was practicing in multiple locations before he knew he had it? The guidlines are simple, stay in Ireland unless your travel is necessary. If necessary then you dont have to quarantine on your return from the green list countries. No more about it.
Deleted User wrote: » Really yeah? You don't believe there was any confirmed cases coming into Ireland?
The_Brood wrote: » So its a green list but your still not supposed to travel for non essential reasons. This is the biggest joke the goverment has put out so far and thats saying something. I hope Leo will be paying us out of his own pocket for holidays in Ireland?
Golf is my Game wrote: » Id be more worried about people thinking they can think about everything for theselves even on complicated and specialist stuff that clever people spend years studying and do become experts and then some lads who never looked at something before read a bit of youtube and reddit and think they know better and so want to be free to do what they want themselves. Thats the problem right there and these people give a big risk to the rest of it. All for free speech and that but that doesnt give the right to just do what you want. If the emocratic society thing has anything its that we give people jobs to do in it so they can specialise and be better than the rest but that works out well for everybody. Not everyone deciding they experts dont know what their talking about so forget them. So its the smart lads who follow the goverment and services that are trying their best and are the ones in the best place to give the best advice.
Stephen Gifted Geophysics wrote: » Yes, there are 4 official levels of travel advice: Normal Precautions High degree of caution Avoid non-essential travel Do not travel The first two are covered by travel insurance.
acequion wrote: » Please read my last post and show me the evidence. Because without evidence, no I don't believe it.
acequion wrote: » It's your very attitude that I have a problem with. This notion that the experts know everything and the rest of us know nothing. This is the typical Ireland that hasn't changed. One time it was the priest who knew everything. Or the teacher. Or the guard. And how dare you question his authority! Well it's intelligent to question. To look at other viewpoints and then to adopt one's own opinion. And you might think it's smart to blindly follow the Govt, the same kind of people who walked us over a cliff countless times to economic disasters, the same people found guilty of self interest and corruption in several instances. But I think it very unsmart to take my cue from them.
Deleted User wrote: » I read it again. This is such a bizarre stand you are taking here. Surely I don't need to explain how this virus works; asymptomatic transmission. I have anecdotal evidence but it shouldn't even matter.
acequion wrote: » I'm not even remotely interested in your anecdotal evidence. I want official evidence of tourists or returning Irish people recently entering the country with Covid. Because as many posters will have pointed out if you care to read the thread and think more deeply about this and indeed look around you [ Ballybunion beach thronged this weekend] you might see that holidaying in Ireland is potentially more risky than a quiet vacation somewhere abroad. Therefore it would be useful to know the source of the daily infections.
Deleted User wrote: » Right, you won't listen to exact evidence you are asking for. G'luck
acequion wrote: » What a ridiculous answer. I can't listen to what doesn't exist. G'luck to yourself!
Deleted User wrote: » I know someone who travelled back from New Zealand of all places at the start of this month. During their 2 week quarantine, they tested positive and infected half their family. Horrid luck but sure anyone who gets it is horribly unlucky. You are somehow claiming this is impossible. Boggles the mind.
acequion wrote: » Just where did I claim that this is impossible?? You obviously only read from posts what you want to read. Of course travel is risky, all travel except your own private car. And all interactions with others are risky. Hence lockdown, hence slow easing of restrictions. But restrictions have to be eased and likewise with foreign travel. Therefore people have the right to know where current cases are coming from. For example, of today's 36 cases, how many were community, travel related, health care worker? They used to provide that information at the start. And at this point I feel they should be more specific about travel related infections especially as they continue the non travel advice.
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