Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

vangoz · 08-11-2018 11:20am

conorhal wrote: »

The D15's and the M24's?
You're watching the genisis of the kind of 'postcode gangs' responsible for and explosion of knife crime currently plaguing london.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/how-postcode-wars-have-made-london-a-murder-capital-1.3460692

There were actual post code gangs before any of this and they were on a order of magnitudes worse. Google "d22 clondalkin gang" and read about legit criminals to be scared of (well they're not around anymore)

I remember absolutely ZERO threads about these lads on boards.ie.

minikin · 08-11-2018 11:35am

naughtb4 wrote: »

Its pretty much public knowledge around North Dublin where these gangs are based.

Its not the first time or the first area they have targeted.

There are of course scumbags that exist locally in all of these areas but thats not what this thread is about

If a murderer lived on your street would you be happy to hear that your street was a kip... murderers roaming your street... you’ld accept that as ‘public knowledge’ and be fine with your street, your family’s future being tarnished?

SnakePlissken · 08-11-2018 12:19pm

minikin wrote: »

So thanks for that, by propagating this nonsense YOU are ensuring that the future of the town and it’s inhabitants is damaged

It's highly galling for a poster who claims to be from Balbriggan would want to shut down this discussion when so many of your fellow residents are actively campaigning to address this blight of violent crime.

https://www.balbriggan.info/balbriggan-comes-force-demand-action-gangs-crime/

Potatoeman · 08-11-2018 12:33pm

sasta le wrote: »

If it’s black African youths causing trouble then say it
Some goes with our Irish and Traveller criminals

Wouldn’t it be racially motivated hate crimes?

ThunbergsAreGo · 08-11-2018 12:50pm

minikin wrote: »

If a murderer lived on your street would you be happy to hear that your street was a kip... murderers roaming your street... you’ld accept that as ‘public knowledge’ and be fine with your street, your family’s future being tarnished?

I never said Balbriggan was a kip

I think these gangs need to be challenged

minikin · 08-11-2018 12:58pm

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's highly galling for a poster who claims to be from Balbriggan would want to shut down this discussion when so many of your fellow residents are actively campaigning to address this blight of violent crime.

https://www.balbriggan.info/balbriggan-comes-force-demand-action-gangs-crime/

I ‘claim’ to be from Balbriggan???
I’m born (well, the Lourdes) and bred in the town...like my family going back generations.

Why would someone asking for inflammatory comments to end be galling to you? You’ve little to be galled about

You might consider the motivations of some behind that ‘protest’ at the Garda station... perhaps there was a political band wagon being jumped on??? Just sayin is all...

minikin · 08-11-2018 1:00pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

I never said Balbriggan was a kip

I think these gangs need to be challenged

Disclaimer:
Not all references I may have made have been about your comments!

These ‘gangs’ need to be challenged -Exactly and that is best done by enabling the people of the town to do so, not by running down the whole town so people lose motivation.

Taking kids out of poverty via education and employment is the best solution, running down where they live so they can’t even claim ‘pride of place’ decreases their life chances further... thereby ensuring they are more likely to make bad choices.... no hope = no consideration for your own future or surroundings.

Reminds me of the way some in Catholic Church shamed an entire family because of the ‘mistake’ of one of their members... awful lot of judgement going on around these parts!

vangoz · 08-11-2018 1:36pm

proudboy wrote: »

D22 gang was only called that name by the media.

Except the graffiti and tattoos they had referencing d22 that I saw first hand. You clearly don't know what you're talking about pal so why even comment on it.

vangoz · 08-11-2018 1:44pm

proudboy wrote: »

D22 gang was only called that name by the media.

The same way that white virgin American loser club your username references named themselves

blinding · 08-11-2018 1:45pm

ibrahimovic wrote: »

For anyone that is interested in the subject of mass immigration in Europe and is looking for intelligent, rational evidence and opinion as to why the demographics are changing so quick I'd recommend 'The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray' Real eye opener.

Very brave man . He is not afraid to tell it as it is .

blinding · 08-11-2018 1:47pm

conorhal wrote: »

The D15's and the M24's?
You're watching the genisis of the kind of 'postcode gangs' responsible for an explosion of knife crime and murder currently plaguing london.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/how-postcode-wars-have-made-london-a-murder-capital-1.3460692

And of course our politicians will say that they didn’t know what was going to happen !:eek:

When it does begin to happen the Politicians are the first ones that should be going to jail .

vangoz · 08-11-2018 1:56pm

blinding wrote: »

And of course our politicians will say that they didn’t know what was going to happen !:eek:

When it does begin to happen the Politicians are the first ones that should be going to jail .

Nowhere the same scale that happened in the 60s and 70s when inner city folks were moved en masse to social housing in the outskirts. Growing up in the late 90s there was a crazy time. I unfortunately became a little c#nt of teenager, grew out of it as had a good family. My point being is that you can't clump high risk families like that in the same place. Integration is key. Not that it's an excuse, nobody should be treated any differently once the law is broken regardless of background etc.

vangoz · 08-11-2018 2:23pm

proudboy wrote: »

black animals

I'm actually happy for you that you're not subtle about being racist. But at the same time I feel sorry for you that it's the main driving force in your life. I hope in the future you can look back at this time with regret and be a better person.

For now I'm not gonna continue any dialogue with you, it's impossible to chat to someone with your metal capicty on any topic with nuance or logic.

Captain Obvious · 08-11-2018 2:38pm

proudboy wrote: »

They were not a post code gang as such, you are comparing them to the black post code gangs in London who kill people just because they are from a different post codes.

That Clondalkin gang had links to many gangs around Dublin. What these black animals are trying to replicate is whats happening in London.

So not comparable to the Clondalkin "D22" gang.

There were, and are, multiple gangs of youths in Tallaght, Jobstown, Ardmore, Clondalkin, Ronanstown, Ballyfermot, Cherry Orchard, Finglas, Blanchardstown, Crumlin and Drimnagh that were formed solely on the basis of locality and fight based on the same.

monty_python · 08-11-2018 2:42pm

vangoz wrote: »

The same way that white virgin American loser club your username references named themselves

BURN!!

Larbre34 · 08-11-2018 2:44pm

I'd love to hire a few actual gang veterans from Miami or South L.A. or Jo'Burg or Belgrade or Honduras to come over and show these little prycks what life is really about.

vangoz · 08-11-2018 2:45pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There were, and are, multiple gangs of youths in Tallaght, Jobstown, Ardmore, Clondalkin, Ronanstown, Ballyfermot, Cherry Orchard, Finglas, Blanchardstown, Crumlin and Drimnagh that were formed solely on the basis of locality and fight based on the same.

Ughh thank you. This has been going on since the time humans could bash each other over the head with clubs.

wexie · 08-11-2018 2:47pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd love to hire a few actual gang veterans from Miami or South L.A. or Jo'Burg or Belgrade or Honduras to come over and show these little prycks what life is really about.

vangoz · 08-11-2018 2:48pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd love to hire a few actual gang veterans from Miami or South L.A. or Jo'Burg or Belgrade or Honduras to come over and show these little prycks what life is really about.

Or you could actually invest time in something that works and not crazy fantasies. But we both know that would never happen.

Although I do agree with your sentiment that these are not that dangerous of a gang compared to nearly every other area in Dublin. Though doesn't take away from the fact that something urgently needs to be done, both in the short and long term.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 08-11-2018 2:50pm

proudboy wrote: »

They were not a post code gang as such, you are comparing them to the black post code gangs in London who kill people just because they are from a different post codes.

That Clondalkin gang had links to many gangs around Dublin. What these black animals are trying to replicate is whats happening in London.

So not comparable to the Clondalkin "D22" gang.

That's disgusting! you should be ashamed of yourself for such a comment.

Race shouldn't have anything to do with this at all. The focus is and should always be, the behavior.

irishgrover · 08-11-2018 3:01pm

proudboy wrote: »

But they are black, and they are animals.

Ok so the basic problem with this is equating a behaviour (something that is optional) with something that is not optional (colour of skin)
It could be interpreted as saying that there are behaving like animals specifically because they are black.
In addition, there is another disturbing context... which is as follows... there tends to be a common thread in racism that black people are somehow sub human, or less human than white people. So calling black people animals empowers this morally corrupt idea....

Many racist people, especially those who don't even appear to know that they are racist, tend to have lower than average IQ's. So the approach that I'm trying to take here is one education as opposed to criticism...

vangoz · 08-11-2018 3:02pm

proudboy wrote: »

But they are black, and they are animals.

You wouldn't have the stones to talk like that in the real world. Typical coward. Can't even admit hes a racist online behind a new account. The one thing you strongly believe and you're afraid to admit it or say it outright even with a curtain anonymity. Laughable and sad.

vangoz · 08-11-2018 3:02pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Ok so the basic problem with this is equating a behaviour (something that is optional) with something that is not optional (colour of skin)
It could be interpreted as saying that there are behaving like animals specifically because they are black.
In addition, there is another disturbing context... which is as follows... there tends to be a common thread in racism that black people are somehow sub human, or less human than white people. So calling black people animals empowers this morally corrupt idea....

Many racist people, especially those who don't even appear to know that they are racist, tend to have lower than average IQ's. So the approach that I'm trying to take here is one education as opposed to criticism...

He knows exactly what hes doing.

Deebles McBeebles · 08-11-2018 3:17pm

Folks, why are you feeding the obnoxious troll?

freshpopcorn · 08-11-2018 3:18pm

Mod Noteproudboy don't post in this thread again!

Kermit.de.frog · 08-11-2018 3:32pm

Interview with author of "the strange death of Europe"

Well worth listening to.

WillieMason · 08-11-2018 7:45pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Ok so the basic problem with this is equating a behaviour (something that is optional) with something that is not optional (colour of skin)
It could be interpreted as saying that there are behaving like animals specifically because they are black.
In addition, there is another disturbing context... which is as follows... there tends to be a common thread in racism that black people are somehow sub human, or less human than white people. So calling black people animals empowers this morally corrupt idea....

Many racist people, especially those who don't even appear to know that they are racist, tend to have lower than average IQ's. So the approach that I'm trying to take here is one education as opposed to criticism...

Why did you interpret it as black people = animals
You may have a low IO because you sound very Racist

blinding · 09-11-2018 11:11am

Is there anyway a few Halting Sites would help ?

According to the Irish Elites , A Halting Site is very desirous .

Would Halting Sites be like having ; Another Mass .

Samuel Vimes · 09-11-2018 12:29pm

I lived in Balbriggan until a few years ago, Newhaven area, never seen any trouble with gangs except what you would normally see with teenagers congregating neat shopping areas etc.
The only real trouble was in the summer when gangs of youths would get the train down from Dublin and occasionally cause havoc on the beach, but that seems to be an issue all along the northern line in the summer.

White lighting · 09-11-2018 1:06pm

Regency Trial to resume next Month

Johnson_76 · 09-11-2018 1:14pm

White lighting wrote: »

Regency Trial to resume next Month

That's a lot of adjournments. Patrick Hutch might have an avenue for Judicial Review

ibrahimovic · 09-11-2018 3:03pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Zappone is one of the most dangerous people in the current government in this regard (because of the support she gives the FG minority she's been able to use her department to push her own private migrant agenda and anti-Trump sentiments - remember she tried to start a row over the pre-clearance issue).

I got through the first page of this thread before I had to skip ahead.. The usual whataboutery from the usual suspects although I'm sure the racist/xenophobic accusations are in here somewhere, and the "but the Irish went everywhere in the last century too" argument.

So, seeing as it's the same old really, I'll give my usual position.

Come here legally, have valuable experience and skills needed and the ability to support yourself, while integrating positively into your new community and society.... Welcome!

Turn up claiming asylum (having probably travelled through multiple safe countries first), bring the same destructive and incompatible "culture" you claim to be escaping, have nothing to offer except being another drain on our welfare system, and expect to be accommodated (literally and culturally) at the expense of the natives.... Back where you came from!

Commit (serious) crimes or behave as those in the OP's links... Arrested, court the next day (because justice can move swiftly when it wants to) and if convicted, first plane back to where you came from! (none of this nonsense of imprisonment at the taxpayer's expense).

And finally, this recent idea of social media crusading to prevent deportations of people who haven't been given legal rights to remain shouldn't be heeded at all. There's numerous legitimate ways to gain residency in Ireland. Use them or again.. Back where you came from!

Does this make me cold, uncaring or "racist".. Do I care? Nope.
Charity begins at home and we have enough problems here with antisocial wasters without importing more of them, a significant percentage of whom are even more dangerous. Why there's the idea that "but, but.. here it'll be different!" is beyond me.

I'd far rather a safe country for my son to grow up in than a divided, ghettoised hell hole for the sake of "likes" and virtue signalling on Twitter :rolleyes:

Great post that nails what most Irish people want, just sensible policies and no bull****, we want people coming here to want to come here, to add positively to our country. We want immigration at a pace that allows for integration and for us to keep our culture and identity.

Unfortunately the people in power have very different ideas altogether. Its been show all over Europe that the will of the people regarding this issue doesn't matter, the higher ups will push their policies based on their own ideologies regardless, they will never have to deal with the negative consequences themselves.

There is no one even close to vote for here that agrees with your ideas, people who are worried about this getting out of hand quickly will get more desperate with the situation and you'll get a large amount of people voting for a small far right party even though most of the parties values will not match with their own personal morals, just so the message gets out that we need change to this open boarder policy quickly. It's failed in the rest of Europe (Even Angela Merkel has admitted this) and it will fail here.

Project 2040 is going to be some craic if nothing drastic changes very quickly

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 3:03pm

Johnson_76 wrote: »

That's a lot of adjournments. Patrick Hutch might have an avenue for Judicial Review

He cant JR the decision to an adjournment, his defence has agreed to everyone of them they actually asked for the 1st.

Colm fox investigation will be concluded soon and paddy will beat the trial on thr grounds of what is found. He will be recharged and collapse and walk free.

realdanbreen · 09-11-2018 3:08pm

I heard on the news that their are 5 inmates considered dangerous and violent enough top be transferred into the new unit in the midlands for violent prisoners. I wonder who they might be?

Gadgetman496 · 09-11-2018 3:17pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I heard on the news that their are 5 inmates considered dangerous and violent enough top be transferred into the new unit in the midlands for violent prisoners. I wonder who they might be?

According to that news article it won't be gang members.

There are at least 17 gangs operating in the prison system and feuding gang members have to be separated but the Prison Service says the unit will not cater for criminal gang members.

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 3:36pm

Luke wilson sentenced to 12 years on A guilty plea. Wilson Kelly brannigan will be looking at 15 +

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 3:38pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I heard on the news that their are 5 inmates considered dangerous and violent enough top be transferred into the new unit in the midlands for violent prisoners. I wonder who they might be?

They are 5 inmates who are in the CBU in mountjoy. Pointless building a new 1 in the Midlands for prisoners in the joy.

hatrickpatrick · 09-11-2018 3:56pm

It's starting to sound like the public may never discover the story behind the Colm Fox saga, at least not unless a lawyer for one of the sides leaks it:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/regency-hotel-shooting-trial-to-resume-in-december-1.3692154

I reckon our only hope for finding out what went on is if it gets leaked by one of the legal teams after the trial has concluded

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 4:02pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's starting to sound like the public may never discover the story behind the Colm Fox saga, at least not unless a lawyer for one of the sides leaks it:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/regency-hotel-shooting-trial-to-resume-in-december-1.3692154

I reckon our only hope for finding out what went on is if it gets leaked by one of the legal teams after the trial has concluded

You must be the only person who Doesnt Know.

LuckyLloyd · 09-11-2018 4:07pm

“His official firearm was recovered at the scene, foul play was not suspected and it was treated as a personal tragedy.”

The implication here seems reasonably straightforward, no?

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 4:10pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

“His official firearm was recovered at the scene, foul play was not suspected and it was treated as a personal tragedy.”

The implication here seems reasonably straightforward, no?

The fact he shot himself isnt the issue. The issue is why? What did he hand to the prosecution on morning of trial starting? What gangsters pocket was he in? What information was he caught giving to said gangster? Did he knowingly allow a murder take place?

Stinksss to the high heavens

ohnonotgmail · 09-11-2018 4:18pm

Commanchie wrote: »

The fact he shot himself isnt the issue. The issue is why? What did he hand to the prosecution on morning of trial starting? What gangsters pocket was he in? What information was he caught giving to said gangster? Did he knowingly allow a murder take place?

Stinksss to the high heavens

assuming for a second this is true, does that make the people who committed that murder any less guilty?

blinding · 09-11-2018 4:25pm

^^^^^ We need to change our Politicians if we want to Stop Mass immigration .

Nothing Else is going to stop it .

The Italians change their Politicians and the lunacy that was going on in the Meditteraenean (?) sea stopped almost immediately .

If ya want change , change the Politicians . The lesson is there for all to see .

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 5:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

assuming for a second this is true, does that make the people who committed that murder any less guilty?

It is true. And obviously it doesnt. Murder is murder but murder by proxy is illegal and on those grounds will clear the accused

ohnonotgmail · 09-11-2018 5:09pm

Commanchie wrote: »

It is true. And obviously it doesnt. Murder is murder but murder by proxy is illegal and on those grounds will clear the accused

murder by proxy is illegal. But that does not make the person who actually commits the murder any less guilty. If hutch is depending on a "well the guards knew i was going to do it so you should let me off" as a defence he will be sorely disappointed.

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 5:13pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

murder by proxy is illegal. But that does not make the person who actually commits the murder any less guilty. If hutch is depending on a "well the guards knew i was going to do it so you should let me off" as a defence he will be sorely disappointed.

Have you heard that defence in his case?
Have I said that will be applied?
Am i referring to Paddy Hutch

No
No
No

LuckyLloyd · 09-11-2018 6:15pm

Commanchie wrote: »

The fact he shot himself isnt the issue. The issue is why? What did he hand to the prosecution on morning of trial starting? What gangsters pocket was he in? What information was he caught giving to said gangster? Did he knowingly allow a murder take place?

Stinksss to the high heavens

Thanks for that, was unaware of the details.

mynamejeff · 09-11-2018 6:47pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Thanks for that, was unaware of the details.

he isnt aware of the details either

he is just a fantasist who is pretending he knows people and details

Commanchie · 09-11-2018 7:10pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

he isnt aware of the details either

he is just a fantasist who is pretending he knows people and details

Hahah really. Ok

begbysback · 09-11-2018 8:16pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

he isnt aware of the details either

he is just a fantasist who is pretending he knows people and details

Wouldn't say his assumptions are outlandish.

Regarding the legal aspects of murder by proxy, did I not read cases previous where people were considered working on behalf of the state when committing serious crimes had some sort of immunity? Maybe it was cases in the north during the troubles, or might have been in another country.

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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