Rows Grower wrote: » That's a really interesting contribution jeff, nice one. Oh, hang on a second is your real name jeff?
mynamejeff wrote: » he isnt aware of the details either he is just a fantasist who is pretending he knows people and details
begbysback wrote: » Wouldn't say his assumptions are outlandish. Regarding the legal aspects of murder by proxy, did I not read cases previous where people were considered working on behalf of the state when committing serious crimes had some sort of immunity? Maybe it was cases in the north during the troubles, or might have been in another country.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » Thanks for that, was unaware of the details.
Commanchie wrote: » The fact he shot himself isnt the issue. The issue is why? What did he hand to the prosecution on morning of trial starting? What gangsters pocket was he in? What information was he caught giving to said gangster? Did he knowingly allow a murder take place? Stinksss to the high heavens
ohnonotgmail wrote: » murder by proxy is illegal. But that does not make the person who actually commits the murder any less guilty. If hutch is depending on a "well the guards knew i was going to do it so you should let me off" as a defence he will be sorely disappointed.
Commanchie wrote: » It is true. And obviously it doesnt. Murder is murder but murder by proxy is illegal and on those grounds will clear the accused
ohnonotgmail wrote: » assuming for a second this is true, does that make the people who committed that murder any less guilty?
LuckyLloyd wrote: » “His official firearm was recovered at the scene, foul play was not suspected and it was treated as a personal tragedy.” The implication here seems reasonably straightforward, no?
hatrickpatrick wrote: » It's starting to sound like the public may never discover the story behind the Colm Fox saga, at least not unless a lawyer for one of the sides leaks it:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/regency-hotel-shooting-trial-to-resume-in-december-1.3692154 I reckon our only hope for finding out what went on is if it gets leaked by one of the legal teams after the trial has concluded
realdanbreen wrote: » I heard on the news that their are 5 inmates considered dangerous and violent enough top be transferred into the new unit in the midlands for violent prisoners. I wonder who they might be?
There are at least 17 gangs operating in the prison system and feuding gang members have to be separated but the Prison Service says the unit will not cater for criminal gang members.
Johnson_76 wrote: » That's a lot of adjournments. Patrick Hutch might have an avenue for Judicial Review
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Zappone is one of the most dangerous people in the current government in this regard (because of the support she gives the FG minority she's been able to use her department to push her own private migrant agenda and anti-Trump sentiments - remember she tried to start a row over the pre-clearance issue). I got through the first page of this thread before I had to skip ahead.. The usual whataboutery from the usual suspects although I'm sure the racist/xenophobic accusations are in here somewhere, and the "but the Irish went everywhere in the last century too" argument. So, seeing as it's the same old really, I'll give my usual position. Come here legally, have valuable experience and skills needed and the ability to support yourself, while integrating positively into your new community and society.... Welcome! Turn up claiming asylum (having probably travelled through multiple safe countries first), bring the same destructive and incompatible "culture" you claim to be escaping, have nothing to offer except being another drain on our welfare system, and expect to be accommodated (literally and culturally) at the expense of the natives.... Back where you came from! Commit (serious) crimes or behave as those in the OP's links... Arrested, court the next day (because justice can move swiftly when it wants to) and if convicted, first plane back to where you came from! (none of this nonsense of imprisonment at the taxpayer's expense). And finally, this recent idea of social media crusading to prevent deportations of people who haven't been given legal rights to remain shouldn't be heeded at all. There's numerous legitimate ways to gain residency in Ireland. Use them or again.. Back where you came from! Does this make me cold, uncaring or "racist".. Do I care? Nope. Charity begins at home and we have enough problems here with antisocial wasters without importing more of them, a significant percentage of whom are even more dangerous. Why there's the idea that "but, but.. here it'll be different!" is beyond me. I'd far rather a safe country for my son to grow up in than a divided, ghettoised hell hole for the sake of "likes" and virtue signalling on Twitter :rolleyes:
White lighting wrote: » Regency Trial to resume next Month
irishgrover wrote: » Ok so the basic problem with this is equating a behaviour (something that is optional) with something that is not optional (colour of skin) It could be interpreted as saying that there are behaving like animals specifically because they are black. In addition, there is another disturbing context... which is as follows... there tends to be a common thread in racism that black people are somehow sub human, or less human than white people. So calling black people animals empowers this morally corrupt idea.... Many racist people, especially those who don't even appear to know that they are racist, tend to have lower than average IQ's. So the approach that I'm trying to take here is one education as opposed to criticism...
