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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    Hopefully speeding up the tail end of the NBP means accelerating the initial deployment by a month or two. Purely selfish I know but would be great to be guaranteed fiber this side of Christmas in the areas marked Dec 2020-Feb 2021.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    The Cush wrote:
    The total amount spent on the National Broadband Plan over the past five years is €40,427,264 (including VAT).


    although I dont support flahulock spending since this project has actually borne fruit I think it's well worth it


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    TheSegal wrote: »
    Hopefully speeding up the tail end of the NBP means accelerating the initial deployment by a month or two. Purely selfish I know but would be great to be guaranteed fiber this side of Christmas in the areas marked Dec 2020-Feb 2021.


    Where do you check the time for the area that your in ?, is it to do with the Lot number ?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    J0hnick wrote: »
    Where do you check the time for the area that your in ?, is it to do with the Lot number ?.

    Enter your eircode on the NBI website, if surveying is underway it will give an indicative rollout date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    The Cush wrote: »
    Enter your eircode on the NBI website, if surveying is underway it will give an indicative rollout date.


    Thanks, showing in dark blue/purple at the moment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    J0hnick wrote: »
    Thanks, showing in dark blue/purple at the moment.

    Is that on the Dept's NBP intervention map, the NBI map will indicate something like "Pending Survey"


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    The Cush wrote: »
    Is that on the Dept's NBP intervention map, the NBI map will indicate something like "Pending Survey"


    I went here


    https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    J0hnick wrote: »

    Go to nbi.ie and pop your eircode in there.

    Majority of areas are "premises pending survey". They mentioned on social thatd they'd be updating quarterly but reps have said "in the coming weeks it will be updated" so not sure when we will see the next batch of updates.

    I've been told my area was recently surveyed but it hasn't changed from the pending survey message.


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    "Your premises is not in the Intervention Area, as other service providers operate there."


    Which is true, everyone else in my estate has fiber to the cabinet just outside the entrance to the estate and then copper to each house, average speed of 90MB. But the situation I'm in is that our cable is damaged (we had a working cable but an engineer swapped it with our neighbor just before we bought the house) and there are no spare cables left, and we've just been told by Eir's provisioning team they may not fix it as its going to cost too much :mad:. That's the short version, you can read the long version below



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058036755


  • Registered Users Posts: 344 ✭✭fennor72


    joe123 wrote:
    I've been told my area was recently surveyed but it hasn't changed from the pending survey message.

    I'm in the same boat, my house was surveyed last Monday, I was talking to the surveyor but all he could tell me was to look up the NBI website. What would the possible time line be for fibre if my house was surveyed, the website is giving no update.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    J0hnick wrote: »
    "Your premises is not in the Intervention Area, as other service providers operate there."

    Unfortunately the NBP isn't for you, the only option you have is for open-eir to repair the line or avail of a wireless option until such time as eir or SIRO decide to run fibre to your area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    The Cush wrote: »
    Unfortunately the NBP isn't for you, the only option you have is for open-eir to repair the line or avail of a wireless option until such time as eir or SIRO decide to run fibre to your area.


    I work from home and they only allow Cable (not available in that area) or ADSL, they don't allow wireless LTE broadband.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    J0hnick wrote: »
    I work from home and they only allow Cable (not available in that area) or ADSL, they don't allow wireless LTE broadband.

    How about an LTE router for one of the mobile networks with internal aerial if the signal is good enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    fennor72 wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat, my house was surveyed last Monday, I was talking to the surveyor but all he could tell me was to look up the NBI website. What would the possible time line be for fibre if my house was surveyed, the website is giving no update.

    No idea unfortunately. The first surveyed houses were given a Dec 2020 - Feb 2021 timeline, so my optimistic guess would be roughly this time next year. I find myself checking the website near daily for any form of update.

    No idea if it works this way though. Does first surveyed means first to get connected and continues this way.

    If you message them.on facebook or email them, they may be able to give you some idea for your area. They are pretty quick to respond.


  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭J0hnick


    The Cush wrote: »
    How about an LTE router for one of the mobile networks with internal aerial if the signal is good enough?


    Nope, has to be a wired connection, the only exception they allow if you have no other option is line of sight. I don't know if its possible to get that in Co Wexford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭rounders


    J0hnick wrote: »
    "Your premises is not in the Intervention Area, as other service providers operate there."


    Which is true, everyone else in my estate has fiber to the cabinet just outside the entrance to the estate and then copper to each house, average speed of 90MB. But the situation I'm in is that our cable is damaged (we had a working cable but an engineer swapped it with our neighbor just before we bought the house) and there are no spare cables left, and we've just been told by Eir's provisioning team they may not fix it as its going to cost too much :mad:. That's the short version, you can read the long version below



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058036755


    Technically not Comreg's area but might be worth contacting comreg to see if they can do anything to help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    J0hnick wrote: »
    I work from home and they only allow Cable (not available in that area) or ADSL, they don't allow wireless LTE broadband.

    That EIR main road line be fixed quick smart if it was dug up by road works and damaged.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    rounders wrote: »
    Technically not Comreg's area but might be worth contacting comreg to see if they can do anything to help

    I wouldn't bother. Your best bet is to lobby your local TD, unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    NBI surveyors back in Ballinasloe again this week.

    3 weeks ago they did the pole survey. This time they spent the week doing an undergroung survey. Ducts, manholes, chambers etc., both Eir and Enet.

    Fair crew of them in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    I'm assuming that doesn't include the ducts into people's property and only road side ones that will carry the main fiber line? As far as I can see it's all poles on my road and the surrounding roads that are covered in the first phase so I doubt I'll be seeing anymore surveyors for a while


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    TheSegal wrote: »
    I'm assuming that doesn't include the ducts into people's property and only road side ones that will carry the main fiber line? As far as I can see it's all poles on my road and the surrounding roads that are covered in the first phase so I doubt I'll be seeing anymore surveyors for a while

    Yeah. Just the main fibre carrying ducts.
    In most of the rural roll-out it will be poles alright but these duct surveys are being carried out in urban/non intervention areas. Presumably it's to survey the 'route out' to rural from exchanges, fibre backhaul connection points etc.

    Today there were a few NBI vans at the Eir exchange.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Good overview here of the NBP Governance Structure and contract, extracted from a recent tender document

    DCCAE-NBP-Governance-Structure-31-Jan2020.jpg

    NBP GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE

    The NBP Governance Structure is led by the NBP Senior Management Team (SMT), reporting to the DCCAE Communications Assistant Secretary, and comprises the Programme Director, the Chief Technology Officer, 2 Principal Officers and the Commercial Lead. The SMT supports all functional areas. The successful tenderer will be required to work closely with the SMT, DCCAE’s internal team and other external legal and technical advisors that either will or have been appointed.

    DCCAE’s NBP Governance Structure is illustrated. The SMT will be responsible for the day-to-day management and governance of the delivery of the NBP Contract by NBI, management of the engagement with stakeholders and reporting to DCCAE senior management and the Minister on progress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    An update (if you could call it that on Galway Bay) https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/recently-surveyed-areas-of-galway-expected-to-have-broadband-by-february/
    Galway Senator Seán Kyne says many areas of Galway have been among the first in the country to be surveyed by National Broadband Ireland with workers on the ground since January.

    Areas surveyed during this time include Bearna, Boleybeg, Bushypark, Corcullen, Na Forbacha and parts of Moycullen including Tooreeney and Clooniffe in Connemara.

    Others include Carnmore, Annaghdown, Corrandulla, Claregalway, Lackagh, Turloughmore, Castlegar, Oranmore, Maree, Renville and Clarinbridge.

    Nearer the city surveying has taken place at Ballindooley, Menlo, Rosshill and Roscam.

    Senator Kyne says the Covid-19 crisis has emphasised the urgent need for broadband in rural communities:

    Guess "Phase 1" of areas are in that Dec 2020 - Feb 2021 timeline now. I think thats whats frustrating a lot of people, these random spots in counties being surveyed, and other areas not mentioned at all.

    Im still clinging on to the hope that Hazel/John were right and my area was recently surveyed :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    joe123 wrote: »
    An update (if you could call it that on Galway Bay) https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/recently-surveyed-areas-of-galway-expected-to-have-broadband-by-february/



    Guess "Phase 1" of areas are in that Dec 2020 - Feb 2021 timeline now. I think thats whats frustrating a lot of people, these random spots in counties being surveyed, and other areas not mentioned at all.

    Im still clinging on to the hope that Hazel/John were right and my area was recently surveyed :o

    I think they're trying to get to the higher density areas early so as to reduce the temptation for OE to encroach on them, which is fair enough I suppose. I am like you also, no sign of any NBI developments any further out than Moycullen from what I've seen so will probably be waiting until after these areas are done. It gives me hope that they are appearing to move at pace so far. I just hope it translates into the actual roll out.

    Jim


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    westyIrl wrote: »
    I think they're trying to get to the higher density areas early so as to reduce the temptation for OE to encroach on them, which is fair enough I suppose. I am like you also, no sign of any NBI developments any further out than Moycullen from what I've seen so will probably be waiting until after these areas are done. It gives me hope that they are appearing to move at pace so far. I just hope it translates into the actual roll out.

    Jim

    Yeah looking at the areas being listed so far and with actual timelines on the map, its very much in a circular fashion it seems to be. You can nearly draw a circle perimeter around Galway, Moycullen and Annaghdown furthest out this side from what I can see so far.

    Like you said, if it actually translates to rollout then great. Being entirely selfish I just hope its not a case of X% of Galway surveyed, we now move on to a new batch of counties and then come back a few years down the road. Or X town has been surveyed, but rollout will be in 3 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    We were surveyed today, just outside Tralee. The engineer reckoned 18 months til we're connected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭rounders


    joe123 wrote: »
    Yeah looking at the areas being listed so far and with actual timelines on the map, its very much in a circular fashion it seems to be. You can nearly draw a circle perimeter around Galway, Moycullen and Annaghdown furthest out this side from what I can see so far.

    Like you said, if it actually translates to rollout then great. Being entirely selfish I just hope its not a case of X% of Galway surveyed, we now move on to a new batch of counties and then come back a few years down the road. Or X town has been surveyed, but rollout will be in 3 years.

    The reason it looks like they are moving out in a circular fashion is because in order to serve Clifden (not too familiar with Galway just pulled it off a map) they must run the line out from Galway so they need to survey these areas first to work out how to get it out there and then they will work out from there. The CEO was on a Newstalk podcast talking about the roll out approach. Think it was there I heard this from
    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/tech-talk-with-jess-kelly/exclusive-broadband-plan-can-delivered-budget


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Some recent articles that popped up:
    https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2020/06/02/over-11000-premises-have-no-broadband/

    https://connachttribune.ie/recently-surveyed-areas-of-galway-expected-to-have-broadband-by-february/

    The second article is a Galway Bay FM press blurb whose content has largely already been reference in previous comments here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    rounders wrote: »
    The reason it looks like they are moving out in a circular fashion is because in order to serve Clifden (not too familiar with Galway just pulled it off a map) they must run the line out from Galway so they need to survey these areas first to work out how to get it out there and then they will work out from there. The CEO was on a Newstalk podcast talking about the roll out approach. Think it was there I heard this from
    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/tech-talk-with-jess-kelly/exclusive-broadband-plan-can-delivered-budget

    Yeah he mentioned on that podcast everything works from a city out so likely this is how they are doing it. I'm 10km away (on a main road) from "Dec 2020 - Feb 2021" areas. Hopefully they'll at least update the website soon.

    If what the engineer in Tralee said is accurate, then maybe my hope of a being connected this time next year was too optimistic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    We were surveyed today, just outside Tralee. The engineer reckoned 18 months til we're connected.

    I saw the NBI Van yesterday on the main Killarney-Tralee road before you turn off onto the old road over towards Castleisland and Earl of Desmond.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    rounders wrote: »
    The reason it looks like they are moving out in a circular fashion is because in order to serve Clifden (not too familiar with Galway just pulled it off a map) they must run the line out from Galway so they need to survey these areas first to work out how to get it out there and then they will work out from there. The CEO was on a Newstalk podcast talking about the roll out approach. Think it was there I heard this from
    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/tech-talk-with-jess-kelly/exclusive-broadband-plan-can-delivered-budget

    I'm not so sure if that is their entire reasoning. ENET have a MANS built up in Clifden already so I'm assuming they would be building out from that as Clifden is also listed as one of NBI's OLT locations. Whether they have the level of backhaul in place necessary to deal with the NBP rollout is another matter though. I do take your point though, they will have to build out backhaul to many areas before they can serve these immediate areas. Building out from the more densely populated areas like Galway will get the cash flowing early and also minimise losses to other operators. It's evident they are prioritising resources.

    Jim


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    It is really annoying to be on a road just outside 3 towns with fibre and being stuck on fixed wireless for years. About 3-4km from each town


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭St. Westy


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    It is really annoying to be on a road just outside 3 towns with fibre and being stuck on fixed wireless for years. About 3-4km from each town

    try being 600 metres from the end of the eir rollout , they rolled out of my village as far as 3 old farmhouses, nobody living in them, my house is next in line , with 5 families beside me, they really never looked at the rollout map at all, unfortunately sligo seems to be overlooked and i cant see sligo being prioritized anytime soon, the wild west is always forgotten about :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭padraig.od


    St. Westy wrote: »
    try being 600 metres from the end of the eir rollout , they rolled out of my village as far as 3 old farmhouses, nobody living in them, my house is next in line , with 5 families beside me, they really never looked at the rollout map at all, unfortunately sligo seems to be overlooked and i cant see sligo being prioritized anytime soon, the wild west is always forgotten about :rolleyes:

    Try 100m!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    NBI has published its Bitstream and VUA Technical Manual - https://nbi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/NBI-Bitstream-and-VUA-Product-Technical-Manual-v1.1.1.pdf

    The ONT they are using is a Nokia XS-010X-A
    The Technical Specification for the Nokia XS-010X-A ONT is as follows:

    • Integrated XGS-PON optics on board (supporting 10G/10G symmetric. PON)
    • Auto-negotiation with 1 x LAN 100M/1G/2.5G/5G/10G Base-T interface with an RJ-45 connector
    • Network demarcation for all services
    • Mux and demux functions to the PON
    • Optical to electrical conversion
    • Optics that support received signal strength indication (RSSI)
    • FEC (Forward Error Correction) in both upstream and downstream connections
    • FCS (Frame Check Sequence) error counter
    • G.988 standards compliance for ONT management and provisioning
    • Standards-based CMAC (OMCI/PLOAM)

    515341.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    padraig.od wrote: »
    Try 100m!!

    150m from a connected home who are using it right now.
    We got a date for Dec 2020-Feb 2021. There is hope....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭user1842


    The Cush wrote: »
    NBI has published its Bitstream and VUA Technical Manual

    The ONT they are using is a Nokia XS-010X-A

    10G Base-T Ethernet - very nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    user1842 wrote: »
    10G Base-T Ethernet - very nice.

    Future proof for that 10Gbps fiber upgrade :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    10Gbps sounds like such an insane amount of bandwidth for anyone to ever need! But you can be sure that when it arrives i'll probably sign up for it...


  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭johnnyboy08


    The Cush wrote: »
    The ONT they are using is a Nokia XS-010X-A
    There's little about that particular Nokia XS-010X-A on the web. It looks like it has been superceded by the XS-020X-A. Did anyone else find any further information about it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    There's little about that particular Nokia XS-010X-A on the web. It looks like it has been superceded by the XS-020X-A. Did anyone else find any further information about it?

    Access to information on a lot of Nokia gear requires you to sign a NDA. That's also the reason, that they aren't really used that much. Hence not much info out there.

    /M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    There's little about that particular Nokia XS-010X-A on the web. It looks like it has been superceded by the XS-020X-A. Did anyone else find any further information about it?

    Could it be that the 010X model is a customer specific solution, Nokia are after all part of the NBI consortium?


  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭johnnyboy08


    The Cush wrote: »
    Could it be that the 010X model is a customer specific solution, Nokia are after all part of the NBI consortium?
    That's a possibility alright, could be a different model number for the same product across different solution partners too.
    Either way, it seems to have some decent future proofing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    At the risk of sounding stupid, when this is finally rolled out will the NBI be a wholesaler and lease the lines to ISP's who we will have to deal with or will the NBI be an ISP in its own right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭rounders


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    At the risk of sounding stupid, when this is finally rolled out will the NBI be a wholesaler and lease the lines to ISP's who we will have to deal with or will the NBI be an ISP in its own right?


    NBI is going to be strictly wholesaler only so as a consumer you'll still work with Eir, sky etc. as ISP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    At the risk of sounding stupid, when this is finally rolled out will the NBI be a wholesaler and lease the lines to ISP's who we will have to deal with or will the NBI be an ISP in its own right?

    NBI will be a wholesaler only, except in the circumstance where no other ISP is willing to serve a premises (NBI would be ISP of last resort). It will be interesting to see if many such instances occur as the NBP is rolled out.

    Jim


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭rounders


    westyIrl wrote: »
    NBI will be a wholesaler only, except in the circumstance where no other ISP is willing to serve a premises (NBI would be ISP of last resort). It will be interesting to see if many such instances occur as the NBP is rolled out.

    Jim
    Interesting, did not know this!


    From a ISP point of view though, would the location of a property make an difference to the cost of them selling the service to end up in a scenario where they won't serve someone?



    My understanding is that the ISP will just pay a set per property rental fee regardless of the location of the property!


    Only reason I could think of Sky for example not wanting to setup someone in the back and beyonds would be that they might not have technicians in the area to hook them up first day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    rounders wrote: »
    Interesting, did not know this!

    Clause 19 (Wholesale Products) of the NBP contract refers, see the contract summary here in the Dept's aide-mémoire to the Oireachtas Communications Committee last July

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110632384#post110632384
    rounders wrote: »
    From a ISP point of view though, would the location of a property make an difference to the cost of them selling the service to end up in a scenario where they won't serve someone?

    I believe some ISPs like Airwire aren't available from all exchanges due to the costs involved , Marlow, ED E et al will be able to give a definitive answer.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113506793#post113506793
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113561928#post113561928
    rounders wrote: »
    My understanding is that the ISP will just pay a set per property rental fee regardless of the location of the property!

    The wholesale monthly charge, e,g, the 150 Mbps product will be €30 + VAT, but that's just one piece of the overall cost to the ISP.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113506065#post113506065
    https://nbi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/NBI-Reference-Offer-Bitstream-and-VUA-v1.1.2.pdf
    rounders wrote: »
    Only reason I could think of Sky for example not wanting to setup someone in the back and beyonds would be that they might not have technicians in the area to hook them up first day

    Sky technicians won't be connecting customers it'll be NBI or one of their contractors, similar to how open-eir do it on their FTTH network. Part of the government's NBP subsidy is paid to NBI per premises connected. The wholesale connection charge to ISPs will be around €100 + VAT.

    https://nbi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/NBI-Reference-Offer-Bitstream-and-VUA-v1.1.2.pdf (page 60)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    Would be nice if sky did offers for people with sky tv, I’ve had tv from them for ages and I’d be up for adding broadband too if it was cheaper than the others, last 2 nights nova has been shocking barely 1mb 480p YouTube buffering.

    The wait is going to be awful if the internet demands don’t ease up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭naughto


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    Would be nice if sky did offers for people with sky tv, I’ve had tv from them for ages and I’d be up for adding broadband too if it was cheaper than the others, last 2 nights nova has been shocking barely 1mb 480p YouTube buffering.

    The wait is going to be awful if the internet demands don’t ease up

    I presume your resting your router to try and get better results


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