National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

Jofspring

listermint wrote: »

Hooked by whom to what.

They are with Eir as their provider but I saw a few NBI vans in the area surveying so I presume it was them who connected the lines. Their whole road is showing as in the intervention area. They live on a country road just outside the city.

I assume Eir can't just come in and start connecting people that are in the intervention area even though they previously said unavailable or can they?

westyIrl

Jofspring wrote: »

I assume Eir can't just come in and start connecting people that are in the intervention area even though they previously said unavailable or can they?

They can.

Jofspring

westyIrl wrote: »

They can.

Wow, so years of Eir telling them they can't connect their road of about 40 houses to speeds higher than 3mb, but then NBI start moving in to survey the area and they are connected within a few weeks to 1000mb.

Will be interesting to see if this becomes a bit of a trend.

westyIrl

Jofspring wrote: »

Wow, so years of Eir telling them they can't connect their road of about 40 houses to speeds higher than 3mb, but then NBI start moving in to survey the area and they are connected within a few weeks to 1000mb.

Will be interesting to see if this becomes a bit of a trend.

Yep. It was bound to happen. It's only the scale to which it happens is the question. I'd be surprised if Eir's 300k FTTH would have occurred at all in the absence of the NBP on the horizon.

Jim

The Cush

Jofspring wrote: »

Wow, so years of Eir telling them they can't connect their road of about 40 houses to speeds higher than 3mb, but then NBI start moving in to survey the area and they are connected within a few weeks to 1000mb.

Will be interesting to see if this becomes a bit of a trend.

Also NBI are compensated from the government subsidy for any of the premises taken out of the intervention area by one of the commercial operators.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-11-05/891/
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-11-27/215/

The Cush

Jofspring wrote: »

They live on a country road just outside the city.

Roughly what area? I'm in the Murroe area, unfortunately not being surveyed at the moment.

Marlow

Gonzo wrote: »

Makes me wonder when the time comes will he even upgrade the rural FTTH service from Gpon to XGS-PON in the year's ahead when it is needed. Eir's Urban rollout and the NBI (mostly very rural) will all be fully XGS-PON, leaving only Siro and Eir rural on GPON for now.

SIRO has been trialing XGS-PON before OpenEir even looked at it. It got pushed fast in OpenEir due to NJJs experience with it in Switzerland, while SIRO just takes the safe route with a new tech.

But SIRO will most likely be deploying it in parallel with their GPON on a different wavelength across the same fibres. That is no problem and SIRO trialed it like that.

/M

The Cush

Marlow wrote: »

But SIRO will most likely be deploying it in parallel with their GPON on a different wavelength across the same fibres. That is no problem and SIRO trialed it like that.

So, not only in the same cable but on the same fibre, thanks for that info.

Marlow

The Cush wrote: »

So, not only in the same cable but on the same fibre, thanks for that info.

Correct. No issue whatsoever. And within the Huawei platform.

/M

Gonzo

Sounds like an easy upgrade so, hopefully the rural FTTH network will get upgraded to it when OpenEir eventually launch services beyond 1 gig, but I imagine we are a few years away from that yet.

Jofspring

The Cush wrote: »

Roughly what area? I'm in the Murroe area, unfortunately not being surveyed at the moment.

Rathuard Ballysheedy area.

user1842

westyIrl wrote: »

Yep. It was bound to happen. It's only the scale to which it happens is the question. I'd be surprised if Eir's 300k FTTH would have occurred at all in the absence of the NBP on the horizon.

Jim

This is good news for my parents as EIR told them they would get fibre this summer even though they are in the intervention area (told by a few people at Eir). If Eir fibre that area it would be about 20 houses gone from the intervention area. This makes sense to me as Eir have to replace 60 to 90% of the poles in the area, when doing this why not install fibre.

Mc Love

Jofspring wrote: »

Rathuard Ballysheedy area.

That's literally up the Mill Road from me - will be amazed if they roll it out faster now.

There was just a KN Circnet Van right outside my house but they never got out, and I saw a KN van around the block from me this morning on my cycle.

daraghwal

NBI email sent out to those that have registered their interest

They really seem to have hit the ground running. Hopefully they can keep it up and don't get too many delays!

theguzman

What sort of money will EIR likely earn per house connected via their own Fibre network compared to say a cluster of houses on the NBI Network and served by a non-EIR isp afterwards.

Might EIR be about to realize that their refusal to invest in fibre is about to damage them long term? Coupled with SIRO and Virgin in Urban area's they are sure to be under pressure. Once I am connected to NBI I will be sure to never give eir a penny again. I am currently an EIR customer on a ADSL2+ Exchange where Vodafone could not give me the same speed and suffered from continuous link sync drop issues, once I moved to EIR that disappeared again, EIR are obviously sabotaging other network operators on the EIR network.

ACitizenErased

Great to see that our area is the first in the country to be surveyed, going to be mad having proper broadband!!

corks finest

theguzman wrote: »

What sort of money will EIR likely earn per house connected via their own Fibre network compared to say a cluster of houses on the NBI Network and served by a non-EIR isp afterwards.

Might EIR be about to realize that their refusal to invest in fibre is about to damage them long term? Coupled with SIRO and Virgin in Urban area's they are sure to be under pressure. Once I am connected to NBI I will be sure to never give eir a penny again. I am currently an EIR customer on a ADSL2+ Exchange where Vodafone could not give me the same speed and suffered from continuous link sync drop issues, once I moved to EIR that disappeared again, EIR are obviously sabotaging other network operators on the EIR network.

Lads eir don't give a feck in general, can't see them changing at all unless there's real competition, their customer care executive is appalling, they know they've virtually a monopoly and just basically so as they pls, if run properly it could be so good, but it'll never happen

corks finest

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm quite out of the loop with regards pricing because I've never had proper broadband. How much am I likely to have to pay a month for decent fibre speeds? I can deal with 50Mbps, 100Mbps etc.

e29.99 up to 150 MB

Mc Love

corks finest wrote: »

Lads eir don't give a feck in general, can't see them changing at all unless there's real competition, their customer care executive is appalling, they know they've virtually a monopoly and just basically so as they pls, if run properly it could be so good, but it'll never happen

But they've shown in the last few pages that they can simply flip a switch and communities that have been starved of high speed broadband can now avail of it all because NBI have been sniffing around.

corks finest

theguzman wrote: »

What sort of money will EIR likely earn per house connected via their own Fibre network compared to say a cluster of houses on the NBI Network and served by a non-EIR isp afterwards.

Might EIR be about to realize that their refusal to invest in fibre is about to damage them long term? Coupled with SIRO and Virgin in Urban area's they are sure to be under pressure. Once I am connected to NBI I will be sure to never give eir a penny again. I am currently an EIR customer on a ADSL2+ Exchange where Vodafone could not give me the same speed and suffered from continuous link sync drop issues, once I moved to EIR that disappeared again, EIR are obviously sabotaging other network operators on the EIR network.

Lads eir don't give a feck in general, can't see them changing at all unless there's real competition, their customer care executive is appalling, they know they've virtually a monopoly and just basically so as they pls, if run properly it could be so good, but it'll never happen

Jofspring

Hopefully if Eir continue to upgrade areas in the intervention area it allows NBI move on quicker to other areas.

joe123

For those who have had their area surveyed? What does it say in the NBI website?

Does it give a timeline of when you'll be connected? I assume speeds will be minimum 150Mb for everyone or is that area dependent?

NBI communication really is good the last while. Guessing those that havent been surveyed yet, will likely be looking at 2022 and beyond?

Jofspring wrote: »

Hopefully if Eir continue to upgrade areas in the intervention area it allows NBI move on quicker to other areas.

Goes back to what I was wondering the last day. If Eir decide (lets activate the cabinet here) and people get speeds of 30Mb, that will theoretically rule those out of getting 150Mb from NBI right? So its sort of would you prefer FTTC soon or FTTH in 1-2 years. Or for those in the Intervention plan remain so from here on in unless they can actually get proper FTTH?

fergus1001

if only they would give us a timeline of when they are conducting the surveys that would give us an idea of when each area could expect to be connected

daraghwal

I just noticed this on the mailchimp sign up page for NBI's expression of interest form (not the version on the website). When they mention OLT on it is that a sign that they'll possibly give out connection timelines by OLT and finish off an OLT area before they move onto the next area? I'm more than likely reading too much into it but would be great if they did that rather than leaving the houses far away from the OLT longer than those close to it.

Or is it already known what way they are going to build out the network?

Mc Love

Would KN (Circnet) Vans being in the area any indication that we could be close to having Eir switch on the fibre around the area?

Jofspring

Mc Love wrote: »

Would KN (Circnet) Vans being in the area any indication that we could be close to having Eir switch on the fibre around the area?

Was talking to my father in law and he said it was KN vans in the area before NBI arrived in so KN must have done the connection for Eir.

Mc Love

Yeah they've been down our cul de sac a few times but I'm just thinking they've taken a wrong turn as it happens quite a bit

Xithus

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Looking at the DCCAE Map, 7 houses in that estate are eligible for NBP and the remaining are not.

The only party who can change this is the DCCAE. Good luck

The houses marked say the area will be surveyed. Do you reckon that's just nonsense they've stuck on the website? If they plan on running it on poles they would have to pass by a lot houses in the estate before they got to those, am I mad holding out hope they would wire up the entire estate?

The Cush

Xithus wrote: »

The houses marked say the area will be surveyed. Do you reckon that's just nonsense they've stuck on the website? If they plan on running it on poles they would have to pass by a lot houses in the estate before they got to those, am I mad holding out hope they would wire up the entire estate?

They will only get the state subsidy for each house in the intervention area they pass and a subsidy for each house in the intervention area they connect. Passing and connecting premises outside the intervention area involves extra cost and no subsidy.

The Cush

We were told last year the contract between the state and NBI would be published in due course, redacted I assume, when will we see it I wonder?

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-11-26/391/

westyIrl

The Cush wrote: »

They will only get the state subsidy for each house in the intervention area they pass and a subsidy for each house in the intervention area they connect. Passing and connecting premises outside the intervention area involves extra cost and no subsidy.

Cush, out of curiosity do you know if NBI are even allowed to connect homes outside the intervention area, or even homes in the intervention area that OE are now targeting? Hard to see how OpenEir wouldn't kick up a storm on the perception alone that state aid was being used in commercially viable areas. The tactic would be inline with OE previous form after all and the onus would be on NBI to show that they didn't use state funds on such properties which would be nigh on impossible.

Jim

The Cush

westyIrl wrote: »

Cush, out of curiosity do you know if NBI are even allowed to connect homes outside the intervention area, or even homes in the intervention area that OE are now targeting?

IIRC there was discussion around this on the other thread last year, I don't remember the exact detail or source but I do remember there was mention of not being allowed to use the subsidy.

The Cush

westyIrl wrote: »

and the onus would be on NBI to show that they didn't use state funds on such properties which would be nigh on impossible.

According to the Dept officials at the Oireachtas committees last year the subsidy is only paid in 2 stages, firstly once the premises in the intervention area has been passed and verified and second once the premises has been connected and those payments will be made in batches.

BobMc

Loads of NBI surveying out my neck of woods we're scheduled from NBI site for first quarter 2021 - I know no one knows but It would be great if I saw it for early 2021 -

I posted on another thread before and I still believe High Speed broadband is a modern necessity which I think should be looked at as the same as electrification when Ardnacrusha was built,

I know some here have really poor connections worse than me (16mb down) but last year or so you can see its struggling
in the house, between two teens, phones, tvs, smarthome items etc.

Fingers crossed NBI deliver on their promises

BArra

there are white vans with no branding out by my house checking ducting, there is also a KN van with them

went out and asked were they surveying for fibre and the guy confirmed they were checking ducts to see could fibre cables be laid

i am in the NBI intervention area so asked was it Eir or NBI they were surveying for and he said it was Eir

wondering if NBI are using KN for surveying? As my area is not in the Eir rural 300k or the new urban rollout

Pique

BArra wrote: »

there are white vans with no branding out by my house checking ducting, there is also a KN van with them

went out and asked were they surveying for fibre and the guy confirmed they were checking ducts to see could fibre cables be laid

i am in the NBI intervention area so asked was it Eir or NBI they were surveying for and he said it was Eir

wondering if NBI are using KN for surveying? As my area is not in the Eir rural 300k or the new urban rollout

That is what confuses me about the map on the Roscommon CoCo website, which shows the vast majority of the survey area to be 'Eir'. This isn't just the rural 300k either (although there is an overlap between the 2 maps).

Mc Love

Was talking to a neighbour and he's said KN have been around the neighbourhood for the last week (although I havent seen them myself) but great to see at least

BArra

I asked again, so its KN van outside surveying my area

Contractor said it was eir urban rollout (which my area isn't listed to get)

So for NBI: It lists they use contractors KN Group, Kelly Group, Actavo, 4Site and Nokia

Am none the wiser if its Eir surveying or NBI o_0

Mc Love

This just could be eir claiming as much ground as possible

Billydoc

I see that my house in is an ‘Intervention Area’. Does this mean our area will be surveyed? Or does it mean that I may get fibre in the not so distant future....

fergus1001

BobMc wrote:

Loads of NBI surveying out my neck of woods we're scheduled from NBI site for first quarter 2021 - I know no one knows but It would be great if I saw it for early 2021 -

where are you located ?

Wing126

According to the map, I am in the intervention area and my house needs to be surveyed. Is there a place that we can find out when our homes will be surveyed?

The Cush

Billydoc wrote: »

I see that my house in is an ‘Intervention Area’. Does this mean our area will be surveyed? Or does it mean that I may get fibre in the not so distant future....

All the NBI areas will be surveyed at some point before they rollout fibre, no schedule for surveying. Go to the NBI website and enter your eircode for the current situation in your area.

The Cush

Wing126 wrote: »

According to the map, I am in the intervention area and my house needs to be surveyed. Is there a place that we can find out when our homes will be surveyed?

No published schedule, you could try contacting them via their website.

dam099

BArra wrote: »

I asked again, so its KN van outside surveying my area

Contractor said it was eir urban rollout (which my area isn't listed to get)

So for NBI: It lists they use contractors KN Group, Kelly Group, Actavo, 4Site and Nokia

Am none the wiser if its Eir surveying or NBI o_0

Am I missing something, the contractor has told you twice now it's Eir, dont you believe him/her? Online maps/lists may not always be comprehensive or maybe its possible they are transiting your area on the way to somewhere else.

Jofspring

KN Van at the opposite end of my road. The Eir lines stop about 300 metres from my house and miss myself and the last 3 houses on the row. Not sure if they are just connecting houses already on the Eir rollout or are they going to survey to add the last few on the road. Out in Grange, Co.Limerick.

BArra

dam099 wrote: »

Am I missing something, the contractor has told you twice now it's Eir, dont you believe him/her? Online maps/lists may not always be comprehensive or maybe its possible they are transiting your area on the way to somewhere else.

correct! i would not be sure the contractor is giving accurate info if they are being utulized by several broadband entities

since i am in an NBI intervention area, and my town is not listed as being a part of the urban ftth rollout, all roads direct me to NBI

i like things black and white, so if eir are going to cover more areas than listed, surely it would be documented

Mc Love

Just went out and asked the KN (Circnet) tech's and they're nearly finished laying the fibre. Said to get on to Eir in the next two weeks and we should be ready to go.

Currently with VF for ADSL - will I be able to stay with them or will I have to go with Eir?

daraghwal

Mc Love wrote: »

Currently with VF for ADSL - will I be able to stay with them or will I have to go with Eir?

You can stay with them. The easiest way to know when you can avail of it is by checking this website every so often. It's usually updated on Tuesdays.
https://www.airwire.ie/index.php/avail/main/YOUREIRCODE/

It will more than likely be more than two weeks though.

BArra

Mc Love wrote: »

Just went out and asked the KN (Circnet) tech's and they're nearly finished laying the fibre. Said to get on to Eir in the next two weeks and we should be ready to go.

Currently with VF for ADSL - will I be able to stay with them or will I have to go with Eir?

so eir, then the eir urban ftth rollout and not NBI for your situation?

is your town listed as a part of the eir urban ftth rollout?

as this is the NBI thread :pac: