Gyms to Reopen 2021???

Alf Veedersane · 08-01-2021 1:46pm

Augeo wrote: »

The plan was and likely still is that the over 65s in longterm care, frontline workers in patient contact & the over 70s are the first groups to be vaccinated.

Of the "Almost half of all cases of hospitalisations are people less than 65" I would presume lots of these have underlying conditions......... such folk will likely be prioritised for a vaccine also over the rest of the population.

Up to the 12th Dec the following was the case......

Underlying medical conditions in individuals with confirmed COVID-19 by setting..... Community 23%, Acute Hospital 63%, ICU 88.6% , died 93.4%

Nothing about age group in the above but .......Underlying medical conditions in individuals with confirmed COVID-19 by age group, up to midnight 12/12/2020 ........ total show 25% had Underlying condition, 58% No underlying condition & 16% unknown.

Basically most folk who catch covid don't have an underlying condition but most folk in hospital with covid do have an underlying condition.

I doubt that has changed tbh.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf

I can't see gyms open before March tbh. I've a pull up / dip station thing nearly 200 miles away that I'll use a few times over the coming months when I'm there on work related trips. Few dumb bells at home that I've little interest in using but can do dips and press ups etc at home..... I'll concentrate on cleaning up the diet some running I reckon. Try and get under 85kg for when the gyms open and then get back to 1.5 times BW bench press after a couple of months of gym time.

My point was that the vaccination of nursing home residents won't see much of a return to normality.

People with certain medical conditions are in priority group 7 of 15 and that doesn't necessarily cover all underlying conditions so the risk of large numbers of hospitalisations will persists for some months yet.

Given the speed of delivery of vaccines - we're on course to have 470k doses by the end of March - and the likely speed of vaccination, I'm just not filled with hope that normality will return once the vaccination of the nursing homes is complete, which is apparently the end of February.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

08-01-2021 1:50pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

My point was that the vaccination of nursing home residents won't see much of a return to normality............

I didn't disagree with your point, if anything I was agreeing with it, folk with underlying medical conditions need to be vaccinated as a priority "such folk will likely be prioritised for a vaccine also over the rest of the population"

By saying "I can't see gyms open before March tbh" I'm not suggesting with any coinfidence they'll open in March.

I do think once the over 70s & those with underlying medical conditions are vaccinated (the nursing homes will be done before them) we'll see a return to normality........ level 3 normality anyway with retail, gyms and barbers etc open.

Alf Veedersane · 08-01-2021 1:52pm

Augeo wrote: »

I didn't disagree with your point, if anything I was agreeing with it, folk with underlying medical conditions need to be vaccinated as a priority "such folk will likely be prioritised for a vaccine also over the rest of the population"

By saying "I can't see gyms open before March tbh" I'm not suggesting with any coinfidence they'll open in March.

Sorry...my brain is melted like a Twix on a range today.

Omega28 · 08-01-2021 7:58pm

Has anyone had any luck buying the adjustable dumbells? I was about to ordee from Alibaba but I have my reservations

Thelonious Monk · 08-01-2021 8:07pm

Omega28 wrote: »

Has anyone had any luck buying the adjustable dumbells? I was about to ordee from Alibaba but I have my reservations

That sounds like a joke

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 08-01-2021 8:07pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I don't know which is worse....being led along being told 2/3 more weeks repeatedly, or knowing it's straight up going to be 3 more months.

It's very annoying. I'm on the fence about buying more equipment. Like a decent rack and enough plates to be any use is gonna cost a grand or more while my membership is only €50 per month... If it was the end of January I'd hold out but April means I need to invest. Inflated prices now on the second hand market means there are no more bargains. Scum of the earth charging €180 for two argos style 20kg dumbbells is now the norm. Racks selling for more than they originally sold for too. It's so frustrating. Shoulda kept picking up bits and pieces after the last lockdown really.

Omega28 · 08-01-2021 8:09pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That sounds like a joke

No joke 😛

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 08-01-2021 8:12pm

Adjustable weights are chronic.

Dtp1979 · 08-01-2021 8:16pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Adjustable weights are chronic.

Chronic?

Eoinbmw · 09-01-2021 11:06am

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Adjustable weights are chronic.

A lot better than no weights!

Dtp1979 · 09-01-2021 11:12am

Eoinbmw wrote: »

A lot better than no weights!

I have adjustable dumbbells up to 40kg. They are perfect once you don’t throw them on the ground and grunt after your 10kg chest press

Eoinbmw · 09-01-2021 11:20am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I have adjustable dumbbells up to 40kg. They are perfect once you don’t throw them on the ground and grunt after your 10kg chest press

The are very handy and space saving ideal for home or shed!
They are fair wide which can make seated shoulder presses a bit awkward but you get used to them!

obi604 · 09-01-2021 11:52am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I have adjustable dumbbells up to 40kg. They are perfect once you don’t throw them on the ground and grunt after your 10kg chest press

Are these roughly about 500 Euro - in today’s environment

Omega28 · 09-01-2021 11:54am

Where did you lads buy them? Are they worth paying €5-600 for?

09-01-2021 12:13pm

For that money you might as well get a barbell and weights

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 12:17pm

bluewolf wrote: »

For that money you might as well get a barbell and weights

But space tho.

09-01-2021 12:43pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But space tho.

Yeah sorry just in shock at the price

caviardreams · 09-01-2021 1:04pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But space tho.

Plus you can't bro-out as easily with the double-banded-lateral raises while standing on a shoebox doing a donkey kickback.

Eoinbmw · 09-01-2021 1:06pm

bluewolf wrote: »

For that money you might as well get a barbell and weights

Or both if possible!
Personally i like working with dumbbells!
Ideally id have a full set on a rack but space and cost of the equivalent dumbbells is 4-5 times as much!

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 1:13pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Plus you can't bro-out as easily with the double-banded-lateral raises while standing on a shoebox doing a donkey kickback.

The sick pump I had yesterday suggests otherwise.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-01-2021 1:14pm

Pull up and dip frame purchased this morning from facebook marketplace. It's worth putting up a WANTED ad for bits and bobs.

SpacialNeeds · 09-01-2021 1:16pm

Churches are open but gyms aren't, I facepalmed at the throngs of elderly people all going indoors together yesterday with no masks.

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 1:55pm

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

Churches are open but gyms aren't, I facepalmed at the throngs of elderly people all going indoors together yesterday with no masks.

Religious services aren't permitted. The churches are open for private prayer so throngs of old people in churches won't be a regular occurrence.

Dtp1979 · 09-01-2021 2:36pm

obi604 wrote: »

Are these roughly about 500 Euro - in today’s environment

I paid 500 over a year ago. They’re a little bit bulky but great otherwise.

calfmuscle · 09-01-2021 4:13pm

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

Churches are open but gyms aren't, I facepalmed at the throngs of elderly people all going indoors together yesterday with no masks.

I have never in my life seen a throng of elderly ppl going into a church on a random Friday. With the exemption of a funeral or wedding etc.

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 4:20pm

calfmuscle wrote: »

I have never in my life seen a throng of elderly ppl going into a church on a random Friday. With the exemption of a funeral or wedding etc.

Yeah but you can't say you facepalmed at a handful of elderly people going into a church to say a few prayers

SpacialNeeds · 09-01-2021 5:23pm

During a pandemic, yes I do think it is wrong. There were at least 30 people inside that I could see when I passed the door. They weren't wearing masks and nobody was cleaning the pews. Unnecessary and dangerous. Hopefully god will protect them this time around though, he's been very good in all this.

Anyone I saw in a gym had way more cop on and everything was kept clean. Also they're less likely to be in the 65+ age cohort which is particularly badly affected.

SpacialNeeds · 09-01-2021 5:36pm

I just glanced through the door as I was walking by, it was easy to see people without masks because it's rare enough to see people indoors without them so that stands out. And the lack of people cleaning down pews is also a giveaway. My perceptive abilities are clearly second to none.

I just don't understand why it's fine for people to pray to the magic man but not possible for people to use gyms.

dastardly00 · 09-01-2021 5:45pm

I have a good pull-up bar and some dumbbells but not much else because of lack of space. I've just bought a pair of rings & straps so I can hang them from the pull-up bar and do dips, along with a belt & chain for weighted dips and pull-ups. That should keep the chest, back, arms and shoulders in good condition for the next while. I got them both from McSport.ie

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 6:20pm

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

I just glanced through the door as I was walking by, it was easy to see people without masks because it's rare enough to see people indoors without them so that stands out. And the lack of people cleaning down pews is also a giveaway. My perceptive abilities are clearly second to none.

I just don't understand why it's fine for people to pray to the magic man but not possible for people to use gyms.

Walking by you glanced in and somehow counted 30 people.

But there isn't going to be 30 people in the church from 8am to 8pm like there would be in a gym.

Apples and oranges.

Dtp1979 · 09-01-2021 8:11pm

Biceps and Bibles....

I’ll get my coat

DylanJM · 09-01-2021 8:57pm

Dtp1979 · 09-01-2021 9:32pm

Some job getting that Atlas stone up there

Alf Veedersane · 09-01-2021 9:55pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Some job getting that Atlas stone up there

Carried it up on the beam on his shoulders, innit

Sheep Shagger · 10-01-2021 12:01am

Somewhere you may not have expected to see fitness stuff, and they still open in store

https://www.homestoreandmore.ie/home-gym-equipment

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 11:22am

I can't believe people are still annoyed gyms are closed, the absolute state of the carry on in Westwood, groups training together, people on top of each other in the steam room and jacuzzi and pool, people spotting one another. It was 100% an environment where the virus could easily spread.
We will all manage in the meantime and appreciate it more when they open again. Until Covid-20 that is.

2nd Row Donkey · 10-01-2021 12:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote:

I can't believe people are still annoyed gyms are closed, the absolute state of the carry on in Westwood, groups training together, people on top of each other in the steam room and jacuzzi and pool, people spotting one another.

Maybe - just maybe, other gyms weren't the same as Westwood.

No jacuzzi, steamroom or sauna opened in mine since Feb 2020.
No classes of any kind, all areas of the gym floor marked out as individual training zones. Cleaning stations everywhere. About 50% of all previous equipment removed to allow for more social distancing, mandatory cleaning of all equipment before and after use. Mandatory wearing of masks passing through areas like reception and changing rooms. Coffee shop closed so gym users couldn't congregate before/after gym or have any mixing with non gym members of the public.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 12:56pm

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Maybe - just maybe, other gyms weren't the same as Westwood.

No jacuzzi, steamroom or sauna opened in mine since Feb 2020.
No classes of any kind, all areas of the gym floor marked out as individual training zones. Cleaning stations everywhere. About 50% of all previous equipment removed to allow for more social distancing, mandatory cleaning of all equipment before and after use. Mandatory wearing of masks passing through areas like reception and changing rooms. Coffee shop closed so gym users couldn't congregate before/after gym or have any mixing with non gym members of the public.

So you actually think gyms should be open right now given the circumstances?

TheMilkyPirate · 10-01-2021 1:03pm

Any gym that had their sauna and steam room open during the pandemic deserves to have their business closed for pure stupidity alone.

Alf Veedersane · 10-01-2021 1:11pm

Whatever about the behaviour in Westwood being a bit bananas and being nothing like I saw, with things as they are, I don't see how they could stay open.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 10-01-2021 1:25pm

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Maybe - just maybe, other gyms weren't the same as Westwood.

No jacuzzi, steamroom or sauna opened in mine since Feb 2020.
No classes of any kind, all areas of the gym floor marked out as individual training zones. Cleaning stations everywhere. About 50% of all previous equipment removed to allow for more social distancing, mandatory cleaning of all equipment before and after use. Mandatory wearing of masks passing through areas like reception and changing rooms. Coffee shop closed so gym users couldn't congregate before/after gym or have any mixing with non gym members of the public.

Exactly this. Same in my gym too. The glee on some people's faces here that the gyms are closed is sickening.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 1:31pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Exactly this. Same in my gym too. The glee on some people's faces here that the gyms are closed is sickening.

There's no glee, I just find it ridiculous that people think they can be open right now and are throwing the toys out of the pram.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 1:32pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Any gym that had their sauna and steam room open during the pandemic deserves to have their business closed for pure stupidity alone.

They'd probably lose half their members in WW if they closed them as many older people join for these alone, that's my reasoning for why they kept them open anyway.

Eoinbmw · 10-01-2021 1:40pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There's no glee, I just find it ridiculous that people think they can be open right now and are throwing the toys out of the pram.

How dare they!!!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 10-01-2021 1:52pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There's no glee, I just find it ridiculous that people think they can be open right now and are throwing the toys out of the pram.

Who's throwing their toys out of the pram??

Alf Veedersane · 10-01-2021 1:52pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Exactly this. Same in my gym too. The glee on some people's faces here that the gyms are closed is sickening.

This is the Fitness forum....pretty much everyone here uses gyms. There is no glee about gyms being closed.

No one is happy about them being closed but it's common sense that they are.

10-01-2021 1:59pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Exactly this. Same in my gym too. The glee on some people's faces here that the gyms are closed is sickening.

Flyefit was a great setup but you still had goons spotting each other and not abiding to individual training only.

With the current covid numbers I'd not chance gyms if they were open.... Decent chance loads of folk in there were doing the restaurant circuits pre Christmas or were in contact with people who were.

No glee in this, just realism

2nd Row Donkey · 10-01-2021 2:43pm

Thelonious Monk wrote:

So you actually think gyms should be open right now given the circumstances?

I do not.

Not all gyms were as bad as Westwood, and unfortunately not all were as good as mine. And closing them was in line with other measures.

FlubberJones · 10-01-2021 11:44pm

No glee here, gutted... just have to accept it. I have zero care for people bejng sick or catching the illness. I simply do what has to be done because the government say so... hopefully we will have our lives back soon.

Black Sheep · 11-01-2021 2:13pm

My view on individual training in gyms was that when case numbers and the R rate were low enough I had no difficulty with it. I doubt gyms, even large commercial chain gyms, were a significant driver of getting us to where we are now, and I don't think anyone actually even pushes that narrative.

Ordinarily if we got case numbers and R rate down I think we could have seen a re-opening in coming months...

But...

With the UK variant growing in terms of its representation among cases, and in view of its infectiousness, I read that it may be that the measures that sufficed in 2020 will not push the case numbers and R numbers down at the same pace as they would have with the 2020 strain.

In short, if we have to be stricter to get back to a managable level waiting for the vaccines to get us to 80% herd immunity (another % estimate that has risen on the back of the UK variant) then I doubt gyms will be back anytime in the forseeable.

Not gleeful about it, but this is putting home training methods and related equipment squarely centre stage, it is the only show in town.

Which means it is just great that equipment that we would have got shipped in from the UK is now stuck in a warehouse or on a lorry because of Brexit. So 2020... (Chef's kiss)

Gyms to Reopen 2021???

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