Gyms to Reopen 2021???

Alf Veedersane

Balmed Out wrote: »

Agreed along with that at this stage id imagine their being guided from where they've seen cases originate in the past so gyms and leisure centres have probably been run well.

They don't know where a lot of cases originate. They only go back 48 hours in the contact tracing which is why the HPSC reports on outbreaks are limited.

That's not to say gyms are sources of transmission but just that the absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence.

But it's an environment where you can control a lot of things and minimise transmission without needing to close another sector

nullzero

endacl wrote: »

Do the high intensity cardio out in the fresh air.

That's fine if you're able.

vafankillar

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Limited numbers and sanitizing should be enough. Wearing a mask to train is almost as dumb as wearing a mask to eat.

that's just a plain stupid comparison.

LessOutragePlz

vafankillar wrote: »

gyms being forced to close again would be...bigger balls?


if every stopped being a baby and wore the mask it would reduce the risk of spreading and closing again.

I don't think calling people baby's for not wearing masks is helpful and I don't like wearing a mask as much as anyone else but, if I had to wear one to train in the gym then I'd wear one because training at home isn't the same as training with others in the gym.

The social aspect of going to the gym and training with others pursing the same goals as me is just as important to me as the physical benefits I get from going to the gym.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

vafankillar wrote: »

that's just a plain stupid comparison.

Have you done anything physical while wearing a mask??

SpacialNeeds

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't think calling people baby's for not wearing masks is helpful and I don't like wearing a mask as much as anyone else but, if I had to wear one to train in the gym then I'd wear one because training at home isn't the same as training with others in the gym.

The social aspect of going to the gym and training with others pursing the same goals as me is just as important to me as the physical benefits I get from going to the gym.

You somehow just perfectly encapsulated the exact reason I train at home.

Black Sheep

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Have you done anything physical while wearing a mask??

Yep, I have done training where I was working wearing a fireproof mask and a helmet with a closed visor for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and carrying a fair bit of gear. A lot of people in emergency services or maybe on some military courses will have done something like that. It's not pleasant, it is claustrophobic and it's hot, but I have not seen anyone keel over due to oxygen deprivation yet.

I appreciate that you wrote a few posts back that you were 'gasping for air'. Maybe you have a particular condition that causes this, and have a doctor's note or whatever, but for what it's worth, gasping for breath is not a normal reaction to wearing the type of light and general purpose masks that most people wear, even if you're exerting yourself.

I don't actually care that much about mask wearing to be honest, but I do think that in smaller gyms where social distancing is not that practical, mask wearing probably does make sense and it's the norm in at least some jurisdictions. Unpleasant yes... In any way dangerous? I highly doubt it.

[Deleted User]

Let's be honest, very few people in a gym train at such a level that wearing a mask would inhibit them.

Cardio for most people means walking on an incline while hanging off the rail, or sitting on the recumbent bike.

I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but definitely the vast majority.

JeffKenna

Basil3 wrote: »

Let's be honest, very few people in a gym train at such a level that wearing a mask would inhibit them.

Cardio for most people means walking on an incline while hanging off the rail, or sitting on the recumbent bike.

I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but definitely the vast majority.

I'm not sure what cardio you do but in my gym people are going full belt.

[Deleted User]

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure what cardio you do but in my gym people are going full belt.

Not talking about myself, just based on 20 odd years working in gyms.

Sure, there are a handful of people that train really hard with cardio, but it's not much more than that. Obviously people push hard in various metabolic classes, spinning etc, but with individual training, I'd see very few people really push themselves.

caviardreams

NPHET wrote to the Govt again today with "further recommendations" saying there needs to be tighter restrictions now the new variant is in Ireland. Hopefully this doesn't mean a change of plans post Xmas re the gyms and non essential retail

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-938-new-cases-as-data-suggests-new-uk-variant-is-in-the-state-1.4444809

peterofthebr

With the new strain we should do a hard quick lockdown to keep numbers under control

Alf Veedersane

peterofthebr wrote: »

With the new strain we should do a hard quick lockdown to keep numbers under control

The new strain hadn't been seen in any tests yet. Numbers will be watched and decisions made if they need to.

LLMMLL

I really hope I'm wrong but what with the last few days of socialising and families meeting over Xmas the numbers are probably going to get worse before they get better. I'm expecting a government panic and more extreme measures brought in.

[Deleted User]

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The new strain hadn't been seen in any tests yet. Numbers will be watched and decisions made if they need to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/nphet-confirm-new-covid-19-variant-is-in-ireland-1055032.html

Dr Cillian De Gascun, medical virologist and director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory, confirmed that the new strain of Covid-19 first detected in Britain has now been detected in Ireland.

“Preliminary data would suggest, based on a selection of samples analysed from the weekend, that the novel variant from the UK is present in Ireland. However, given the timeline of the samples analysed, it would seem that the novel variant is not solely responsible for the recent increase in case numbers seen in Ireland.”

[Deleted User]

OmegaGene wrote: »

They are very vague points
It would suggest
It would seem

Either way gyms are open so go in peace and get some gains

I'd take it as 100% fact the UK strain is here TBH.
Gyms are indeed open but I was replying to "The new strain hadn't been seen in any tests yet" which isn't at all correct.

It's analogous to folk being 100% dead prior to that being pronounced..... The prognosis doesn't change.

If the confirm in 3 days time what was seen last weekend it was still seen last weekend.

In the UK they knew about the UK strain months ago.

caviardreams

Looks like today might be the last day for gyms after all :(

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-urged-to-begin-six-week-lockdown-on-st-stephen-s-day-1.4444984

Another full 6 week lock down possibly on the horizon from stephen's day - we didn't even get 4 weeks! :mad::(

Alf Veedersane

Augeo wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/nphet-confirm-new-covid-19-variant-is-in-ireland-1055032.html

Dr Cillian De Gascun, medical virologist and director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory, confirmed that the new strain of Covid-19 first detected in Britain has now been detected in Ireland.

“Preliminary data would suggest, based on a selection of samples analysed from the weekend, that the novel variant from the UK is present in Ireland. However, given the timeline of the samples analysed, it would seem that the novel variant is not solely responsible for the recent increase in case numbers seen in Ireland.”

I hadn't seen that but the fact remains that they are unlikely to increase restrictions just yet until it appears the number of cases starts to escalate.

Time will tell. Can only hope it doesn't take hold and cause cases to jump.

leanin2019

caviardreams wrote: »

Looks like today might be the last day for gyms after all :(

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-urged-to-begin-six-week-lockdown-on-st-stephen-s-day-1.4444984

Another full 6 week lock down possibly on the horizon from stephen's day - we didn't even get 4 weeks! :mad::(

If they did this it would prove a big change of direction just a few days after announcing hospitality/personal services were the only ones to close.

caviardreams

leanin2019 wrote: »

If they did this it would prove a big change of direction just a few days after announcing hospitality/personal services were the only ones to close.

I think there may be updated modelling figures yesterday, so new information I guess. But I agree it's a bit indecisive.

is_that_so

caviardreams wrote: »

I think there may be updated modelling figures yesterday, so new information I guess. But I agree it's a bit indecisive.

They mentioned a recommendation for non-essential retail but it's not clear that it was absolutely everything else.

is_that_so

OmegaGene wrote: »

Nephet asked for non essential retail to close last week also and the government made the choice to allow retail but no sales

Well they want March back again, without actually stating that. If there is a move by Government to modify things it may not happen till early next week anyway.

caviardreams

OmegaGene wrote: »

Nephet don’t have to worry about the economy etc

Agree. They seem intent on leaving schools open too which will negate the positive effect of a full lockdown anyway imo.

[Deleted User]

caviardreams wrote: »

Looks like today might be the last day for gyms after all :(

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-urged-to-begin-six-week-lockdown-on-st-stephen-s-day-1.4444984

Another full 6 week lock down possibly on the horizon from stephen's day - we didn't even get 4 weeks! :mad::(

They seem focused on discretionary socialising. I reckon gyms should be OK, fingers crossed. Just tickled 120kg bench press so was looking forward to Jan training really.

Alf Veedersane

Augeo wrote: »

They seem focused on discretionary socialising. I reckon gyms should be OK, fingers crossed. Just tickled 120kg bench press so was looking forward to Jan training really.

That's what I was thinking. The commentary around the increased rate of transmission has been around the reopening of hospitality.

FlubberJones

Training yesterday and today, in fairness I see the gyms struggling to stay open and as even the simple request to train on your won can't be adhered to. Idiotic lads training together right next to the massive standup signs that say "individual training only"...
I saw the team that work in the gym telling lads to train on their own and they did for about 2 mins... such pathetic idiots that can't do the right things to keep the places open.

j@utis

FlubberJones wrote: »

Training yesterday and today, in fairness I see the gyms struggling to stay open and as even the simple request to train on your won can't be adhered to. Idiotic lads training together right next to the massive standup signs that say "individual training only"...
I saw the team that work in the gym telling lads to train on their own and they did for about 2 mins... such pathetic idiots that can't do the right things to keep the places open.

We have people training in groups but they come I and leave together. They might be siblings or just living together, I dunno.

We have to wear the mask going in and out. It lasted for about a week with majority trying to do so but now it's only a few wear it. Cleaning equipment afterwards is quite well adhered to though but knowing it's an airborne virus is quite futile exercise.
I think gym owner isn't too pushy because of member numbers falling, he doesn't want to turn more of them off?

FlubberJones

j@utis wrote: »

We have people training in groups but they come I and leave together. They might be siblings or just living together, I dunno.

We have to wear the mask going in and out. It lasted for about a week with majority trying to do so but now it's only a few wear it. Cleaning equipment afterwards is quite well adhered to though but knowing it's an airborne virus is quite futile exercise.
I think gym owner isn't too pushy because of member numbers falling, he doesn't want to turn more of them off?

No masks required but Ben Dunne in Cherrywood is bloody massive so easy to keep away from people.

caviardreams

FlubberJones wrote: »

No masks required but Ben Dunne in Cherrywood is bloody massive so easy to keep away from people.

Unfortunately distancing doesn't help too much if it's airborne:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2720

The graphic in the below is illuminating - especially if you view gyms (in general) as high occupancy, indoors and poorly ventilated
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

Alf Veedersane

caviardreams wrote: »

Unfortunately distancing doesn't help too much if it's airborne:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2720

The graphic in the below is illuminating - especially if you view gyms (in general) as high occupancy, indoors and poorly ventilated
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

If you consider most of the racks in Flyefit (based solely on Ranelagh, Portobello and Baggot St), the majority are facing walls. I wonder if a lot of the air most forcefully expelled will be towards the walls that are 2-3m away and whether that might actually help reduce aerosols/airborne transmission to some degree. And the high ceilings in Portobello probably help to some degree too with some colder air coming in downstairs anyway.

I'd probably feel less comfortable in some other gyms I can think of.

Either way, its going to be hard to avoid any risk so just have to be sensible about choices made.