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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #4202
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    SFL is easy calved anyway whatever about the rest of them.


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    #4203
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I sorted the Excel File from ICBF for Maternal Calving and these came up;

    Reliability over 80%

    VDC 4.26%
    EDF
    GUA
    USU
    OVO
    AVT
    LGB
    KTN
    SAQ
    BWE
    SFL
    HPY
    BFM
    DIB 5.88%

    You'll probablhy find these are hard calving for direct calving though..............

    Often seen mentioned that vdc bred some fine cows


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    #4204
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,944 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    tanko wrote: »
    SFL is easy calved anyway whatever about the rest of them.

    Had a mighty bull calf of a SIxHO 1st calver
    Pity he’s hard got / gone


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    #4205
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    I have a Belgian Blue cow by BBQ. She is out of a Simmental cow from a dairy cow. My cow isn’t a typical blue. She’s very plain, not muscly at all. She’s had 2 lim calves so far and both are plain calves no real shape. I was thinking of giving her a blue this time but wondering would that be a bad choice putting blue bull on a blue cow. Would calf come very muscly and be hard calved?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82095381
    Look at post 3102,similiar to what your looking for


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    #4206
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82095381
    Look at post 3102,similiar to what your looking for

    I will take pic of cow and her 2 calves for ya. I’d nearly chance Fiston on her!


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    #4207
    RobinBanks
    Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Often seen mentioned that vdc bred some fine cows

    I would add DEP to that list Aswell.


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    #4208
    390kid
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    Have a nice Charolais whitehead heifer on and just wondering what everyone else is using for them? It will be a PG bull. Calving ease is the priority so was thinking of a saler meself


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    #4209
    Hard Knocks
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    390kid wrote: »
    Have a nice Charolais whitehead heifer on and just wondering what everyone else is using for them? It will be a PG bull. Calving ease is the priority so was thinking of a saler meself

    I’d go with Saler too


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    #4210
    john mayo 10
    Registered Users Posts: 956 ✭✭✭john mayo 10


    I was thinking of given a few lim replacement heifers a saler too myself .


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    #4211
    390kid
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    I’d go with Saler too

    Would they bring a bit of size? Lot of the cows here are fairly butty.


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    #4212
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    390kid wrote: »
    Would they bring a bit of size? Lot of the cows here are fairly butty.

    They're like any breed with variations in size between different bloodlines. Have used Highfield Odran SA2153 here, they're medium sized.
    Keep an eye on the ICBF skeletal figures when picking bulls, they're reasonably reliable.


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    #4213
    Hard Knocks
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    390kid wrote: »
    Would they bring a bit of size? Lot of the cows here are fairly butty.

    Have 2 heifers due beginning of April to SA 2153 & SA4604
    They’ll be average size cows
    This my first time using SA


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    #4214
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    390kid wrote: »
    Would they bring a bit of size? Lot of the cows here are fairly butty.

    If you want height and length try using Lataster Eric - LZR or Beguin - SA4059. LZR straws are around the 10 euro mark but I think Beguin is 26 euro. I've used both and found that bulls off both really put on the pounds close to 2 years old. Hoping to keep a Beguin heifer this year, she was just over 600kgs at 22 months.


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    #4215
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    If you want height and length try using Lataster Eric - LZR or Beguin - SA4059. LZR straws are around the 10 euro mark but I think Beguin is 26 euro. I've used both and found that bulls off both really put on the pounds close to 2 years old. Hoping to keep a Beguin heifer this year, she was just over 600kgs at 22 months.

    Do you think Beguin is worth the extra money?


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    #4216
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭High bike


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    If you want height and length try using Lataster Eric - LZR or Beguin - SA4059. LZR straws are around the 10 euro mark but I think Beguin is 26 euro. I've used both and found that bulls off both really put on the pounds close to 2 years old. Hoping to keep a Beguin heifer this year, she was just over 600kgs at 22 months.
    my Lzr heifer calved yesterday spat our a smasher of a limo heifer calf.Lovely quiet cow and plenty milk, wish they were all like her


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    #4217
    GiantPencil
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    tanko wrote: »
    Do you think Beguin is worth the extra money?

    He is if you get a heifer that's for sure. In saying that the bulls I got turned out well too once they hit the 2 year mark so it depends on your system I suppose


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    #4218
    GiantPencil
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    High bike wrote: »
    my Lzr heifer calved yesterday spat our a smasher of a limo heifer calf.Lovely quiet cow and plenty milk, wish they were all like her

    I think more and more people are moving to using Salers for easy calving and for the calving ability of the mothers too, biggest pelvic size of all the breeds


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    #4219
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭High bike


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    I think more and more people are moving to using Salers for easy calving and for the calving ability of the mothers too, biggest pelvic size of all the breeds
    great cows in my book, some people say the temprement is bad but I have 3 of em here and not a bother.Your right about the age once they hit 2 they fly


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    #4220
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    A neighbour of mine has Saler cows and a CH bull, lovely thick calves with great yellow hair, lads go mad for them in the mart.


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    #4221
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    High bike wrote: »
    great cows in my book, some people say the temprement is bad but I have 3 of em here and not a bother.Your right about the age once they hit 2 they fly

    Temperament is fine with my lot as well. Have a comb that I use and they love it, great way to calm down cattle I think by having a comb and giving them a comb on top of the tail or on the shoulder.


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    #4222
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Ordered Beguin from Munster a few months back, they had no straws available at that time. Got a few knottown Roy (son of Beguin) instead. Looking forward to seeing what he’s like.
    I’ve a few SAX cows - agree with what’s said above - make a lovely CH calf.


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    #4223
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,704 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    No wonder Salers have milk. Noise of bells will drive you mad......but worth a look. Milking starts at 2:50 in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA6qc9aIydc&list=PL56C4B64B4D98EFF6&index=4&t=0s

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #4224
    390kid
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    I think more and more people are moving to using Salers for easy calving and for the calving ability of the mothers too, biggest pelvic size of all the breeds

    Put another on there this evening and asked our technician was there many using the saler and he said never that many until lately


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    #4225
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭High bike


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    No wonder Salers have milk. Noise of bells will drive you mad......but worth a look. Milking starts at 2:50 in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA6qc9aIydc&list=PL56C4B64B4D98EFF6&index=4&t=0s
    what kind of crush gate would u use for that lot:D


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    #4226
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,704 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Here's another video showing Saler cows being milked out on the mountain. Mad how the farmer can call each individual calf out of the pen. (Calf's french is better than mine) He ties them then to the cows leg, to get her to let down the milk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQ8DVEy5QU

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #4227
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Here's another video showing Saler cows being milked out on the mountain. Mad how the farmer can call each individual calf out of the pen. (Calf's french is better than mine) He ties them then to the cows leg to get her to let down the milk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQ8DVEy5QU

    That's a great video


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    #4228
    Seanhorse91
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    Anybody on here used/ going to use Tomschoice Lexicon Lm4471? Looks a long bull with massive figures. Son of kaprico ervalle who is kind of known for breeding low enough sized cattle, he has plenty sons in Ai.
    Was going to order a few straws. Might chance him on pedigree and commercial heifers.
    Also anybody use Gamin Zgm on heifers?


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    #4229
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    What’s the going rate for AI fee? I bought my own straws and got an AI man to put them in for me. His company charged 21e per cow. Is that about right? I take it the AI company are taking a cut out of that for themselves.


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    #4230
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    Most of those Eravelle sons didn't turn out to be all that easy calved from what i've heard. Lexicon is a serious looking bull but there's plenty of proven easy calved bulls out there suitable for heifers, wold one of them not be better.
    You could try him on cows first.
    I've used Gamin on cows with no bother calving. Plenty of people use him on heifers. I'd rate him easier calved than ZAG anyway.


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    #4231
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    What’s the going rate for AI fee? I bought my own straws and got an AI man to put them in for me. His company charged 21e per cow. Is that about right? I take it the AI company are taking a cut out of that for themselves.

    Yeah, that's about right.


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